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post #1 of 29
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9102443/

Anti-gay church protests at soldiers’ funerals

Members of a church say God is punishing American soldiers for defending a country that harbors gays, and they brought their anti-gay message to the funerals Saturday of two Tennessee soldiers killed in Iraq.
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The Rev. Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist in Kansas, contends that American soldiers are being killed in Iraq as vengeance from God for protecting a country that harbors gays.
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for so many reasons...
post #2 of 29


If they are so upset with this country then maybe they should just leave. Ashland City isn't far from post here. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that people would protest at a funeral. The poor families that have to go through all this. As if losing a loved one isn't hard enough....
post #3 of 29
They would kick me off of TCS if I ran the unedited version of how I feel about those protestors . Y'all can guess the choice words I have about it!
post #4 of 29
How insensitive and truly psychopathic.

I hope there is some legal recourse for protesting at a funeral.

That poor, poor family.
post #5 of 29
I agree with you! How horrible this is!
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Originally Posted by Ali012281


If they are so upset with this country then maybe they should just leave. Ashland City isn't far from post here. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that people would protest at a funeral. The poor families that have to go through all this. As if losing a loved one isn't hard enough....
post #6 of 29
That's terrible!!, they have no respect whatsoever.
post #7 of 29
Well, I'm sure some will say...if there were no gays this wouldn't happen...the ol' blame the victim scenario.
post #8 of 29
I am so furious right now that I cannot even respond to this article. I was actually just coming to TCS to post a thread about the article after reading it, but found one already started. If I wrote what I'm thinking right now, it would need to be so heavily censored that it wouldn't be legible!!!! WHAT is wrong with these people?????? Have they no sense at all? This is "the land of the free", gay, straight, black, white, whatever!!! Right? Someone please reaffirm that for me, because right now I'm not so sure. Thank God that this is a small percentage of the people of the United States being represented in this demonstration.
post #9 of 29
Are they INSANE?!

Who with any compassion or love in their hearts at all, would do that to a family? They're completely heartless.
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by Purr
Who with any compassion or love in their hearts at all, would do that to a family? They're completely heartless.
Bingo. And I'm sure it's all being done under the guise of "Christianity." Whatever.
Something tells me this is NOT what Jesus would do!
post #11 of 29
These are the same people who protested at Matthew Shepard's funeral. They are the most insensitive, un-Christian bigots, that I've ever seen.
post #12 of 29
These are the people who give Christianity a bad name, just as the terrorists in Madrid and London give Islam a bad name. There are extremists everywhere.
post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by ugaimes

Something tells me this is NOT what Jesus would do!
EXACTLY!
post #14 of 29
*fumes* they dont like it they can LEAVE
post #15 of 29
They should leave this planet - every country has gay people! What is wrong with them??? At a funeral, no less! Well, when they die, I hope people protest at their funerals!
post #16 of 29
Apparently these raging loonies have obtained permits, arranged police protection, everything.
I'm all for freedom of speech...I don't like what these people have to say...in fact, everything in me objects to it.... But they should be allowed to say it.
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Just not at a freakin' FUNERAL!!!!
Have some respect for the dead, for crying out loud!! This is the lunatic fringe if there ever was.
They are going to get hurt. Some serviceman's family is going to stomp a mudhole in their butts. And I doubt that the police protection is going to do much to stop it.

I think someone should protest THEIR funerals. Normally I am not the "stoop to their level" type, but they seem like the kind of people who wouldn't GET how upsetting their actions are until they were put directly in those same shoes.
post #17 of 29
Ok...this is another one of thoes things where I'm mad enough WITHOUT reading the article....I don't know what 'religion' they are doing this in the name of but.......oh my. Do people have no respect? Do they think doing something so disrespectful will improve thier cause? I'm suprised no one at the funerals got up and did something...I bet they were too shocked! Oh I can't read this article! I'm sure we'll be talkign about it at work. Most of my co-workers are either active/retired military spouses or soldiers themselves. Makes me take things like this kinda personal!
post #18 of 29
Actually, you should read that article. I think it shows the strength of America, and freedom of speech. One kook "preacher" goes off the deep end. The church, which is not affiliated with a larger denomination, is made up mostly of Phelps’ children, grandchildren and in-laws. Members of the town protest, and let him know they disagree. The church members were met with scorn from local residents. They chased the church members cars’ down a highway, waving flags and screaming “God bless America.â€

People with a countering viewpoint to the kooks, staged a peaceful counterprotest. So many counterdemonstrators were gathered in Ashland City that police, sheriff’s deputies and state troopers were brought in to control traffic and protect the protesters.

The church members held protesting permits, and counterprotesters in Smyrna turned their backs to Westboro Baptist members until time expired on the protest permits.


That is how free speech works. It is unfortunate that people gather and fan the flames of hate. It is upsetting for it to go on, and especially when they are attacking families who are so vulnerable! But thankfully, others were aware of what was going on, and supported the families who lost a beloved son in the war. My heart goes out to the affected families!
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by jennyranson
These are the people who give Christianity a bad name, just as the terrorists in Madrid and London give Islam a bad name. There are extremists everywhere.
i couldn't agree more, they are shameful and discusting, this is a funeral where people are mourning the loss of loved one's, i don't care who was gay, a funeral is a time for mourning not running a protest.

if there hate of gays goes that deep that they can ruin a funeral then they need some serious help, i won't even begin to tell you what i'd do if it was my husbands funeral

i don't understand how Christians can justify doing something so discusting, out of all the Christians i know, none of them would do such a thing, they would go there to mourn or wouldn't go at all, gay people are still people and God loves them too.

what a totally disrespectful act.
post #20 of 29
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The church members carried signs and shouted things such as “God hates fags†and “God hates you.â€

Firstly, God does not hate gay people, if they think this at all then they seriously need to do a lot more bible study, or something.

i'm so embarresed, this is such a shameful act and make Christians look bad when they aren't all like that.

this is not something Jesus would do

i just read the story and i just can'r believe it
post #21 of 29
It makes me sick that people could be this way
post #22 of 29
Holy Macaroni, wow. It takes all kinds I guess. Glad to know these people are not indicitive of most Christians. I would love to ask them, "What do you think Jesus would say about your hateful message"?
I guess these nut jobs have free speech also but holy cow.
post #23 of 29
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Originally Posted by Beckiboo
Actually, you should read that article. I think it shows the strength of America, and freedom of speech. One kook "preacher" goes off the deep end. The church, which is not affiliated with a larger denomination, is made up mostly of Phelps’ children, grandchildren and in-laws. Members of the town protest, and let him know they disagree. The church members were met with scorn from local residents. They chased the church members cars’ down a highway, waving flags and screaming “God bless America.â€

People with a countering viewpoint to the kooks, staged a peaceful counterprotest. So many counterdemonstrators were gathered in Ashland City that police, sheriff’s deputies and state troopers were brought in to control traffic and protect the protesters.

The church members held protesting permits, and counterprotesters in Smyrna turned their backs to Westboro Baptist members until time expired on the protest permits.


That is how free speech works. It is unfortunate that people gather and fan the flames of hate. It is upsetting for it to go on, and especially when they are attacking families who are so vulnerable! But thankfully, others were aware of what was going on, and supported the families who lost a beloved son in the war. My heart goes out to the affected families!
I agree wholeheartedly.
I am also sickened by the anti-war people that are picketing outside of Walter Reed Hospital (I think that is where it is) where our soldiers that have been wounded in battle
are recuperating. For God's sake take it somewhere else, go down to Texas or something. That is just great, these poor guys are laying in beds, minus limbs and have to look out the window at these morons. Nice, real nice.
I am sure that really speeds up their recovery.
post #24 of 29
completly tasteless.
post #25 of 29
I just read this story on a news website and all I could do is shake my head in bewilderment.
That protest makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
I feel sorry for the soldiers family having to go through that at such a sad time.

Sure there's freedom of speech but this is just insane. I don't understand why they were given a protesting permit for a funeral...where's the respect?!
post #26 of 29
I am not an American, but even I am disgusted

A funeral is NO place for a protest, the soldier who was being buried had nothing to do with current military policy - they should have been outside the pentagon where the real policy makers are sitting.
post #27 of 29
That is repulsive! As (from the article) "41-year-old Connie Ditmore said as she waved and American flag and as tears came to her eyes. “To do this at a funeral is disrespectful of a family, no matter what your beliefs are.â€"
post #28 of 29
Tasteless and disrespectful yes, but these are the freedoms the soldiers are fighting for.
post #29 of 29
i'm sickened by the idea that anyone, especially people that call themselves "christians" would protest at a funeral. do they have the right to protest anything they want? they sure do, thanks to the many men and women who are members of the armed forces. these servicemembers defend all of our rights and freedoms regardless of how distastefully some americans exercise them. i'm not going to deny someone their right to protest, but i really believe they need to find a venue for it that would be less disrespectful. a funeral is supposed to be a private occasion where family and friends can say their good-byes and pay their respects to their loved ones. if someone were to protest at my husband's funeral or the funeral of one of my friends or family, it would be all i could to restrain myself. these occasions are hard enough for those close to the deceased without adding protestors to the mix.
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