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Dogs & cats included in our pets' food - is this ethical?

post #1 of 25
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http://www.purelypets.com/articles/whatsinfood.htm
http://www.homestead.com/VonHapsburg/petfood.html.
IMO it seems unethcial to allow the public to unknowingly feed their own pets food that included euthanized dogs & cats. Apparently, even Science Diet & Eukanuba also use the animal meal that has been rendered from PTS companion animals as well as other livestock. Or am I being impractical, since our pets dont seem to mind and the PTS animals wont care? It seems morally wrong, since our cats & dogs are not naturally cannibalistic (as far as I know) and I agree with the articles that it seems it could cause health problems to be spread (just like with Mad Cow Disease). At any rate, I'm checking into the products offered at the links in the article "Choosing the Right Food for Your Cat" here in the TCS Health section! Thank Goodness for TCS!!
post #2 of 25
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
http://www.purelypets.com/articles/whatsinfood.htm
http://www.homestead.com/VonHapsburg/petfood.html.
IMO it seems unethcial to allow the public to unknowingly feed their own pets food that included euthanized dogs & cats. Apparently, even Science Diet & Eukanuba also use the animal meal that has been rendered from PTS companion animals as well as other livestock. Or am I being impractical, since our pets dont seem to mind and the PTS animals wont care? It seems morally wrong, since our cats & dogs are not naturally cannibalistic (as far as I know) and I agree with the articles that it seems it could cause health problems to be spread (just like with Mad Cow Disease). At any rate, I'm checking into the products offered at the links in the article "Choosing the Right Food for Your Cat" here in the TCS Health section! Thank Goodness for TCS!!
Are you kidding me? Of course it's unethical. How disgusting, if true. However, I never saw either dog or cat meat listed as an ingredient on any food, and I find it hard to believe such a thing is possible.
post #3 of 25
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Originally Posted by elizwithcat
Are you kidding me? Of course it's unethical. How disgusting, if true. However, I never saw either dog or cat meat listed as an ingredient on any food, and I find it hard to believe such a thing is possible.
It isn't listed as dog or cat meat. It is listed simply as "meat". If a cat food ingredients list doesn't specify what type of meat, it could be anything including cat or dog.

Is such a thing possible? If they don't specify what kind of meat, they have a reason. They know it is something that people wouldn't want to feed their pets, so they hide what it is with a generic word.

As far as whether it is unethical or not- to me it's much worse than unethical. Deceiving people into feeding their loved one's the flesh of their own kind should be outlawed because it is both animal abuse and people abuse. When people see the word "meat" they think of beef. These vile pet "food" companies rely on that fact. Beware of the word "poultry" too. It could be diseased pigeons.
post #4 of 25
Science Diet and Eukanuba are not very good dog foods or cat foods. I wouldn't feed either to my animals. I go with Super premium foods and you can't find them at Petsmart. Feed stores will sell good pet food.
I feed mine California Natural and Natures Balance Duck and Potato, both purchased at a specialty store. Wellness is good too. When I went from feeding my dogs Nutro and Science Diet to feeding California Natural it was
a difference between night and day. Their coat went from being dull and dry
to soft, moist and shiny. I feed the Duck and Potato by Natural Balance to my dog that has allergies. Research, there are quite a few really good dog and cat foods out there and it really makes a difference. I learned from the Petfinder messageboard, there a lot of knowledgeable over there.
post #5 of 25
I use only foods that have documentation they dont use those practices... Most do not or dont knowingly..but most dont have documentation... Oh and "human grade " means nothing in this quest..

I use Nutro 75% and 25% Natural balence and have the best looking dog in town... likely your mixing was the culprit..
post #6 of 25
I had no idea they were doing this. It just makes me sick.
post #7 of 25
I had no idea that animal food companies were under such little regulation. I am stunned.

I dont know what to do, I reread the ingredient list on all of CJs foods and did not find any of those stated, but in his royal canin the first ingredients are:
Chicken meal, brown rice, corn corn gluten meal, chicken, chicken fat, and goes on to incude rice hulls pea fiber, etc. I thought Royal canin was one of the better foods on the market. Cj really enjoys it. It also has added salt.
His wet packet of nutro natural choice looks pretty good: the only meal in it is herring meal and it is #7 on the list, but it does have added salt like the rest of his foods.

Iams select bites: has the random meat by products as the 6th ingredient as well as added salt.

I am really discouraged by this news. I guess that means I will start looking into giving him a raw/homemade diet.
post #8 of 25
What I am wondering is where are they getting these PTS animals? Are the owners/humane societies signing them over for this practice? I find this hard to believe. However, I suppose anything is possible.

I switched to Performatrin Ultra recently (its only in limited areas of Can and the US though) and I swear the food is better than what I eat. They only use all organic ingredients, and free range chickens so I was impressed.
Here are the first 6 ingredients:

Chicken
Chicken Meal
Whole Brown Rice
Dried Egg Product
Whole Barley
Whole Rice
post #9 of 25
i suppose anything is possible but i have a hard time beliveing they are useing pts animals in dog food. where would they get them?

i do not think owners would sign them over for such a purpose. nor would a vet or a shelter..there are laws that govern the disposal of animals. and i do belive some standards about useing any kind of animal that has had injected chemicals in making food of any kind. human..or animal. i have to look at that but i am fairly sure.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Roxy_loves_CJ
I had no idea that animal food companies were under such little regulation. I am stunned.

I dont know what to do, I reread the ingredient list on all of CJs foods and did not find any of those stated, but in his royal canin the first ingredients are:
Chicken meal, brown rice, corn corn gluten meal, chicken, chicken fat, and goes on to incude rice hulls pea fiber, etc. I thought Royal canin was one of the better foods on the market. Cj really enjoys it. It also has added salt.
His wet packet of nutro natural choice looks pretty good: the only meal in it is herring meal and it is #7 on the list, but it does have added salt like the rest of his foods.

Iams select bites: has the random meat by products as the 6th ingredient as well as added salt.

I am really discouraged by this news. I guess that means I will start looking into giving him a raw/homemade diet.
Iams is really bad food. Royal Canin isn't very good either. Rice hulls, yuck. Try California Natural or Wellness. What is even worse, you get no good information from vets. You ask them and they will tell you Science Diet because they get kick backs from them. From what I have heard Vet school doesn't include to much training in nutrition. To bad. Good luck in your search.
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by ScamperFarms
i suppose anything is possible but i have a hard time beliveing they are useing pts animals in dog food. where would they get them?

i do not think owners would sign them over for such a purpose. nor would a vet or a shelter..there are laws that govern the disposal of animals. and i do belive some standards about useing any kind of animal that has had injected chemicals in making food of any kind. human..or animal. i have to look at that but i am fairly sure.
Gee, I sure hope so. Also, after being killed by a lethal injection, I don't think meat would be any good for consumption, because whoever eats it can also be poisoned. Cows aren't killed by lethal injections for obvious reasons, while dogs and cats are.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
What I am wondering is where are they getting these PTS animals? Are the owners/humane societies signing them over for this practice? I find this hard to believe. However, I suppose anything is possible.
They get it from a rendering plant. They don't put dead animals into landfills; dead animals are sent to a rendering plant. If you are concerned about it, then you need to arrange to have your pet buried in a pet cemetery or cremated after death. Otherwise, the animal will probably be sent for processing at a rendering plant. These plants are where you sometimes get "poultry meal", etc. Some dead bodies are separated into groups (i.e. poultry) but some it's just "animal meal" or some similar because it is comprised of several different species. Not pretty, I know.
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by Obi
They get it from a rendering plant. They don't put dead animals into landfills; dead animals are sent to a rendering plant. If you are concerned about it, then you need to arrange to have your pet buried in a pet cemetery or cremated after death. Otherwise, the animal will probably be sent for processing at a rendering plant. These plants are where you sometimes get "poultry meal", etc. Some dead bodies are separated into groups (i.e. poultry) but some it's just "animal meal" or some similar because it is comprised of several different species. Not pretty, I know.
I learned about this during Molly's last days. I was doing a lot of research online to try to figure out what could possibly be wrong with her. I found a few websites discussing how PTS animals are sent to a rendering plant and end up in pet food. It was very upsetting because then you wonder if that is why your cat is so ill. When Molly's time came we had her cremated. Abby now only gets food that does not contain meat or poultry by-products.
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by Obi
They get it from a rendering plant. They don't put dead animals into landfills; dead animals are sent to a rendering plant. If you are concerned about it, then you need to arrange to have your pet buried in a pet cemetery or cremated after death. Otherwise, the animal will probably be sent for processing at a rendering plant. These plants are where you sometimes get "poultry meal", etc. Some dead bodies are separated into groups (i.e. poultry) but some it's just "animal meal" or some similar because it is comprised of several different species. Not pretty, I know.
I guarantee that my animals come home with me after death..I hope everyone else does the same

ugh..that is disgusting.. They don't need permission to do that?????
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by Obi
They get it from a rendering plant. They don't put dead animals into landfills; dead animals are sent to a rendering plant. If you are concerned about it, then you need to arrange to have your pet buried in a pet cemetery or cremated after death. Otherwise, the animal will probably be sent for processing at a rendering plant. These plants are where you sometimes get "poultry meal", etc. Some dead bodies are separated into groups (i.e. poultry) but some it's just "animal meal" or some similar because it is comprised of several different species. Not pretty, I know.
Reminds me of the movie "Soylent Green" with Carlton Heston. Remember that? Check those ingredients in your pet food, folks, I know what I am feeding mine and it isn't dead pets.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Reminds me of the movie "Soylent Green" with Carlton Heston. Remember that? Check those ingredients in your pet food, folks, I know what I am feeding mine and it isn't dead pets.
Once people are better educated about pet food labels, the vile pet "food" companies will go out of business due to lack of sales.
post #17 of 25
why is Iams bad?
post #18 of 25
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Originally Posted by elizwithcat
Gee, I sure hope so. Also, after being killed by a lethal injection, I don't think meat would be any good for consumption, because whoever eats it can also be poisoned. Cows aren't killed by lethal injections for obvious reasons, while dogs and cats are.
I agree. Rendering plants process alot. And while I know there isnt a huge federal watch on animal food. I KNOW there are guidelines for rendering plants. My friend worked at one. I for one would like to see more than a few articles written on natural foodsites written about this posiblity. this is the first i have heard of it.
post #19 of 25
Oh my goodness!!, I had no idea that went on!!. What can I feed Reilly that is safe???
post #20 of 25
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I did some more nauseating research; I also read the FDA/CVM report that indicated that the high levels of the PTS serum (I can't recall the name ) were coming from the livestock being put to sleep. But then I read some other articles, with responses, and one was from a woman in TX whose husband was driving deceased animals to the rendering plant & she claimed that yes, there were domestic pick-ups from large vet hospitals & county shelters (I thought county shelters have large crematoriums. Our counties use the landfill). And then I thought about the ranchers that I know of - how many would use the PTS serum vs. sending the animal to the slaughterhouse (I've had a horseshoer tell me that I could send my old horses over to Fallon, NV to be packaged & sent to France, for meat, you get so much per pound vs. paying the vet the $250.00 + the towing company & the landfill fees). so I asked my friend whose father was in the horsetrading business, and she said, yeah, horses are a profit, & the use of euthanizing a bunch of horses is unlikely, IHO, and even more unlikely with cattle....which means.... I've already sent for samples of humane foods from www.waggintails, and will look up the other brands mentioned here.
I'm really upset because of moral reasons; I don't think my Creator wants me to cause my own pets to be cannibalistic...Oh, dear.
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by consumercity
Once people are better educated about pet food labels, the vile pet "food" companies will go out of business due to lack of sales.
Tha whole thing is horrible!

Quick thread hijack:
Remember, "stuffed cats" that look like this are made out of cat and dogs fur:
post #22 of 25
Hm... purina cat chow does not contain cats or dogs. That is good anyways. I think I should try and get my mom to take me to petsmart soon, so we can find a food that is the same cost as the stuff we have now, but is better for my cats....

Do they sell food that is like five bucks a bag at petsmart??
post #23 of 25
Don't mean to be mean but cat food that is $5.00 a bag cannot be good cat food. Try a Feed Store, they have good pet foods. "Chicken Soup for the Cat Lovers Soul" is good and not expensive. It is worth it to your animal to feed them good food. Good luck
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
I did some more nauseating research; I also read the FDA/CVM report that indicated that the high levels of the PTS serum (I can't recall the name ) were coming from the livestock being put to sleep. But then I read some other articles, with responses, and one was from a woman in TX whose husband was driving deceased animals to the rendering plant & she claimed that yes, there were domestic pick-ups from large vet hospitals & county shelters (I thought county shelters have large crematoriums. Our counties use the landfill). And then I thought about the ranchers that I know of - how many would use the PTS serum vs. sending the animal to the slaughterhouse (I've had a horseshoer tell me that I could send my old horses over to Fallon, NV to be packaged & sent to France, for meat, you get so much per pound vs. paying the vet the $250.00 + the towing company & the landfill fees). so I asked my friend whose father was in the horsetrading business, and she said, yeah, horses are a profit, & the use of euthanizing a bunch of horses is unlikely, IHO, and even more unlikely with cattle....which means.... I've already sent for samples of humane foods from www.waggintails, and will look up the other brands mentioned here.
I'm really upset because of moral reasons; I don't think my Creator wants me to cause my own pets to be cannibalistic...Oh, dear.

It is sad that yes alot of horses go to the slaughter plant. but the slaughter house for horses is much diffrent than the rendering plant they would go to after death if not buried on the owners property. i love my babies..they will never be going to france for slaughter. no way.
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Don't mean to be mean but cat food that is $5.00 a bag cannot be good cat food. Try a Feed Store, they have good pet foods. "Chicken Soup for the Cat Lovers Soul" is good and not expensive. It is worth it to your animal to feed them good food. Good luck
I agree. Any bag of food that is $5 is probably only as nutritious as the bag it comes in.
I feed a super premium food but they eat less, so its not as much as you think.. I would check it out. Its not THAT much of a difference.

(sorry for the slight health and nutrition hijack )
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