Originally Posted by vespacat
As others mentioned, isn't a table number sufficient? Would you enjoy having "CRACKER COUPLE" written on your bill? How about "WASP COUPLE"? Perhaps you would change your tune if you were on the receiving end of such a comment that pointed out your ethnicity and all that is implied along with that, rather than the fact you are human, like any other paying customer in that restaurant.
I didn't say that it was ok for this waitress to conduct herself this way.
I said it was poor judgement and insulting. I meant to extend the discussion beyond this specific scenario. However, I don't think that calling someone a Jew (here, capitalized.. though don't get your back up. I don't capitalize catholic or muslim either. Its nowhere near meant as a slight) is parallel to calling someone a "cracker". I WOULD use Jew in a sentence in public. I wouldn't use the term cracker. As in "Is she a jew as well?" Or "Is the new guy you are dating Jewish?"
I wouldn't ask "Is he a cracker?"...This was the whole point of provoking discussion. I really wanted to know from Jewish people on this site if they found such a thing offensive as it isn't in my circles.
Again, it wasn't meant as a slight to anyone..
[quote]Despite living city with "an extremely high Jewish population" (please capitalize the J) for its size, Toronto still has the largest Jewish population in this country, by FAR. [quote]
I don't know if you know much about reading per capita statistics, but if I recall Toronto has approx. 4.5 million people. Winnipeg has approx. 600,000.
For a "small" city as I stated, we have equivalent populations (about .03 or .04 percent of the total demographic)...
|Its obvious to me you don't know much about Judaism or the Jewish faith, or you wouldn't be liberally sprinkling your sentences with "Jew", or easily dismissing the connotations that go along with "JEW COUPLE".|
I sincerely wanted to know if there was something wrong with referring to someone as a "jew" in daily life if it wasn't intended as a racial slur.
Or how one knows if it is intended as such...MomofFranz responded in kind.
I don't know how you know that I OBVIOUSLY don't know...But again, this is something I WANTED to know....
If I want to learn about something, I ask questions and am hopeful for intelligent, thoughtful response and discussion....not attack and conjecture.
I did caution my statement by directly stating that I was sincere in wanting to discuss this. I wasn't trying to inflame. That is simply not me.
This is IMO. Its not personal and your statements tend to be liberally sprinkled (to use your term) with "YOU" and "OBVIOUSLY"..
Remember, its not personal and you don't have to get personal to get a point across.
If you read my previous reply post to MOF,
I am immersed daily in Jewish culture and surrounded by Jewish people, not only in work life but in play life too...
|Not to mention you are perpetuating a horrible stereotype by apparently knowing exactly what the average "Jew" looks like, which I find COMPLETELY hilarious! Yet another stereotype about a people you obviously have had very little interaction with.|
Its likely because when you are surrounded by people who make references to themselves in the same manner I have (though the difference is that I am not Jewish), you tend to not think of it as a PC or not a PC thing..but rather you just don't think of it..Let me explain.
There are Jewish people I know who can point out that
someone is Jewish by looking at them and point out certain physical characteristics (which I will go into later in my response later)...
I didn't mean to overstep my bounds when stating that and didn't mean to
offend anyone (once again).
However, I do want to state that in part of that sentence, I did state that while outward appearances are not always great determinating factors for making assumptions, (ie, some Jewish people have blond hair and blue eyes), many have distinct physical features.
I have to go off to work now...but will answer the rest of this post shortly...
Without going into much personal detail, I lived in a religious Jewish community, have known a large number of Jewish people from all branches of the faith (orthodox, conservative, reform, etc.), and let me tell you, when someone says "JEW COUPLE", a lot more is being implied than the fact that they are indeed, Jewish. Have you ever walked down the street with an orthodox Jew? I have. You have no IDEA just how much anti-Semitism is thriving in this country. And we are in Canada, which is a country supposedly committed to celebrating diversity!
So please, do a little research before you come in playing the "devil's advocate", especially on such a sensitive matter. You are truly and completely misinformed on this issue.