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post #61 of 83
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Originally Posted by mferr84
i just want to ask why you think this?

is sexual abuse not as traumatic for anyone older?

if you have a daughter and she is sexually abused as a child, you want the man sentenced to death...

if your baby girl grows up and is sexually abused again... you want him just sent to jail
No going there, sorry. I stand by what I said. JMHO
Basically I believe the death penalty should only be used for the crime of murder. I have included my support of the death penalty for the sex offenders of children. I think you all know what I mean so why the nitpicking?
post #62 of 83
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Originally Posted by ckblv
No going there, sorry. I stand by what I said. JMHO
Basically I believe the death penalty should only be used for the crime of murder. I have included my support of the death penalty for the sex offenders of children. I think you all know what I mean so why the nitpicking?

Why is the death penalty a good punishment for people who commit the crime against children, but not warranted in the case of an adult being raped?
post #63 of 83
I find it amazing that at any time when someone brings military and dysfunction together in a topic here, there's always one person freaking out and acting as if the military doesn't have it's own share of bad apples. Rape is also a crime of opportunity, and where is there more opportunity, and CONDITIONING to make someone else do something they don't want to. Military personnel are trained to follow orders, and yes while there is a thinking person within that soldier, it is also one that knows that possibly worse things can happen.

CKBLV, you called the woman promiscuous, not I, and, honestly, if she didn't think she would be having sex, why would she be on birth control. I also wonder about the availability of birth control on TDY, especially if said person wasn't in need until after she was away. Beyond which, birth control wouldn't have prevented VD if her assailants had any, as clearly they did not use a condom.

While i agree that child rae is brutal, I don't understand why they get more sympathy than an adult, or especially a male, as with adults, there is a feeling of lost control, as much as in a child.
post #64 of 83
Also... it is possible for women to have health problems and birth control not work effectively for them. Again, another what if but I don't think that what if is any different from the what if she was sleeping around and being a slut theory either.
post #65 of 83
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Originally Posted by squirtle
Why is the death penalty a good punishment for people who commit the crime against children, but not warranted in the case of an adult being raped?
I answered that and am not going to repeat myself.
post #66 of 83
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Originally Posted by ckblv
I answered that and am not going to repeat myself.
I can't find where you answered.
post #67 of 83
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Originally Posted by squirtle
I can't find where you answered.
Post #61. I can't make it any clearer than that.
post #68 of 83
Oh I saw that. You didn't answer why though. Just that you only support the death penalty in cases for children.
post #69 of 83
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Originally Posted by ckblv
No going there, sorry. I stand by what I said. JMHO
Basically I believe the death penalty should only be used for the crime of murder. I have included my support of the death penalty for the sex offenders of children. I think you all know what I mean so why the nitpicking?
2nd time, see above that is it.
post #70 of 83
I read that, I am not dumb... I don't see on there where it says WHY you approve of the death penalty for child sex offenders and not adults.
post #71 of 83
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Originally Posted by squirtle
I read that, I am not dumb... I don't see on there where it says WHY you approve of the death penalty for child sex offenders and not adults.
Oh, but it does, you just refuse to see it for some reason.
post #72 of 83
Ok, since you don't care to explain and choose to be condescending about the whole thing... Does anyone else see the reason why there and care to point it out to me. Because I don't see it, all I see is a statement of an opinion but not an explanation of the reasons which is all I was trying to understand.

At this point though I guess it doesn't really matter.
post #73 of 83
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Originally Posted by squirtle
Ok, since you don't care to explain and choose to be condescending about the whole thing... Does anyone else see the reason why there and care to point it out to me. Because I don't see it, all I see is a statement of an opinion but not an explanation of the reasons which is all I was trying to understand.

At this point though I guess it doesn't really matter.
We have got to quit meeting like this.
post #74 of 83
The reasoning is.. they don't care to discuss it any further, and why they wood bring something up only to refuse to discuss it i DON'T know, especially when a reasonable conclusion is not considered to be obvious to the rest of the people involved in the converstation.

I also think that this catty attitude being displayed is in bad form.
post #75 of 83
I think this is a very controversial and deep topics and people feel passionately about it. Therefore, when people share a difference of opinion the conversations tend to become just as passionate as their feelings. We all need to keep in mind that we are entitled to our own opinions, and although we feel our opinions are right others might not share those same opinions.


Agree to disagree, and remember to show each other respect and courtesy. That is what TCS is about, and the point of this forum isn't to spark arguements and disdain for each other but to spark meaningful and intelligent conversations... so that we can get to know eachother through our perspectives on occurances in our daily lives.


I don't agree with all that ckblv is saying. I even got offended by one statement at a point in this thread, however, an apology was issued and accepted. I don't share ckblv's views on this situation, but I will give her the respect that I would like and I will commend her for standing by her point of view and being willing to discuss it.


People just remember because we don't agree with eachother on some things doesn't mean we can't be friendly to eachother. If you find that you can't point out your view, belief, or perspective to someone without doing so in a nice and polite fashion then please bite your tongue until you calm down a bit, and then come back and write your reply.


I'm officially done with this thread now. I'm gonna step down off my soap box.
post #76 of 83
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Originally Posted by turtlecat
The reasoning is.. they don't care to discuss it any further, and why they wood bring something up only to refuse to discuss it i DON'T know, especially when a reasonable conclusion is not considered to be obvious to the rest of the people involved in the converstation.

I also think that this catty attitude being displayed is in bad form.
I do not think I was catty, sure did not mean to be.
post #77 of 83
It's upsetting to hear that these women can not feel safe while at they are in the army. How can these women protect our country when the army and other branches are failing to protect them. The leaders of our armed forces should face facts and deal with those people who are doing this. They should be dischaged and sent to jail for thier crimes. They should also teach these men just how to treat women. They must also making clear to these women that they do have an outlet, that there are people who they can turn to for help. WHy encourage people to enlist they hang them out to dry when they need help. I just don't get it.
post #78 of 83
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by eburgess
It's upsetting to hear that these women can not feel safe while at they are in the army. How can these women protect our country when the army and other branches are failing to protect them. The leaders of our armed forces should face facts and deal with those people who are doing this. They should be dischaged and sent to jail for thier crimes. They should also teach these men just how to treat women. They must also making clear to these women that they do have an outlet, that there are people who they can turn to for help. WHy encourage people to enlist they hang them out to dry when they need help. I just don't get it.
It's a messed-up (that's putting it very mildly) part of the military system of "justice." A lot of the time, those with power choose to look the other way because "he's a good soldier and she's just trying to ruin his career", etc. etc.
I guess that's why they have us loud, outspoke advocates at all bases now- so that we can sound the alarm and work towards systemic changes.
post #79 of 83
Amy,
How are YOU yourself treated in general by the soldiers on a day to day basis?
Do you receive much disdain or feel ostracized due to your position?
Ie, people feel they watch what they say to you, etc..
post #80 of 83
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
Amy,
How are YOU yourself treated in general by the soldiers on a day to day basis?
Do you receive much disdain or feel ostracized due to your position?
Ie, people feel they watch what they say to you, etc..
I'm treated by the great by the soldiers I do work FOR , as well as the wonderful Medhold soldiers who work in my office.
A lot of people within the chain of command kind of view me as their enemy I guess ( ), probably because most of my clients are spouses and I am coming to them telling them that their "perfect solder" is a violent wife-beater . They don't like accepting that!
post #81 of 83
I just wonder also if you ever find yourself feeling in danger. I know that when I worked in the domestic violence unit of Probation Services/Justice for a brief stint, I (being a woman especially) felt the anger off certain clients in visible waves.
We took serious precautions at home and at the job for protecting ourselves.
In the general population, I know the danger, at times, that I felt I was in for either being an advocate of women or for mandating these men into certain treatment programs. I can't imagine what an angry, p*ssed off violent against women SOLDIER looks like... They have eeep..guns.

I hope you take precautions and keep safe.
post #82 of 83
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
I just wonder also if you ever find yourself feeling in danger. I know that when I worked in the domestic violence unit of Probation Services/Justice for a brief stint, I (being a woman especially) felt the anger off certain clients in visible waves.
We took serious precautions at home and at the job for protecting ourselves.
In the general population, I know the danger, at times, that I felt I was in for either being an advocate of women or for mandating these men into certain treatment programs. I can't imagine what an angry, p*ssed off violent against women SOLDIER looks like... They have eeep..guns.

I hope you take precautions and keep safe.
Not to scare you, Amy - but
post #83 of 83
I'm just glad there are "loud, outspoken advocates" around to support/assist the soldiers and spouses who have been harrassed or abused. For the most part, my experience in the Army was extremely positive and most of the male soldiers I worked with, along with my superiors, were were dedicated and professional. I did have one pretty significant problem with being harrassed, but my chain of command dealt with it effectively. I came in contact with quite few female soldiers who weren't as lucky and a number of male soldiers, including some in leadership positions, who should have been relieved of duty. During the course of conducting one personnel security investigation I encountered an NCO who had not only sexually harassed some of the young female soldiers in his unit, but had also been picked up by the MP's for spouse abuse on several occasions. Unfortunately his wife refused to press charges. During our interview, the guy actually seemed proud he'd gotten away with it and it was all I could do to not to reach across the table and throttle him. In my report, I recommended his clearance not be renewed, but it went through anyway.

That was a while ago, so I'm hoping things have improved. By making advocates available to those who have experienced harassment or abuse, the military is certainly demonstrating a level of sensitivity and awareness that wasn't entirely present during my time on active duty. But, as a long as any soldier or spouse is in a situation that makes her/him uncomfortable or fearful in any way, there is clearly more work to be done.
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