This is sad

I honestly didn't know that Jenny!

They could try and get past me to take mine away from me

Hell hath no fury like this woman scorned when it comes to my cats!

You and me both!!!!

Add me to that list also! I can't believe Peta would even waste their time trying to eliminate the existance of domestic animals! But I can also understand it in a way. They dont see the very loved and cherished pets that us, the responsible pet owners have made part of our families. What they are doing and their agenda probably started from all the horrible abuse cases that are made public.
Peta may not be an org worth supporting and may not mean well....but from their actions, it has opened up my eyes to the many other horrible things that are being done with animals that I would have never thought about before.
I'm not going to support Peta, because of what I have learned from all of this, but I will be trying to fight animal abuse with a new knowledge that I didnt have before. So, in a way Peta's actions have done something good for animals...it's given me a new awarness to the horrors that are hidden and go on behind closed doors.

To be honest, I have little use for PETA. Some of their activists mean well but the organization sometimes sets animal rights back by their strange and hard boiled tactics - like reccently protesting dressed as fish in front of one of our fish markets in the Maritimes. (Fishing is a major industry here and their actions are not taken well to say the least!). The fact they admitted to killing cats and dumping them with the rationale that feral cats are better off dead also rankled me when I read that last yr!! And they claim to be animal advocates, yeah suuuure!

I learned about the Iams/Purina et al actions when I was in Ireland and it was investigative journalism on the part of a reporter, not PETA. Since then, I never use their stuff. Mind you, they produce pet qality food, not human quality like Wellness so that in and of itself would lead me NOT to buy their products. But the fact they do research on animals when there are many alternatives available (I do biochem cancer reseatch and never need animals so it CAN be done, there is so much technology now - one never need dissect a frog ever again!) puts them way over the top for me. It is the bottom line with them so of course they take the easy way.

I'm sitting here looking at a bag of Purina One kibbles and i'm furious because these people assured me when i stopped using Iams that they did no animal testing

I'm ordering Royal Canin from my vets tomorrow morning!

You know...as I was at work all day, this totally was on my mind, and alot became much clearer to me. Peta is not an issue for me in this anymore, they are just a very small piece in this huge picture. The issue for me now is to stop the use and unnecessary experimenting on animals. With todays technology, using animals should be a thing of the past, but it isnt. It's easier and cheaper, and it wont stop if were all arguing about Peta....because that's probably part of their agenda, to get everyone all worked up over them, so this can continue so they can step in and look like heros to those who dont know anything about them. There are other good organizations out there that are really trying to end these horrors and we should be helping them. I'm going to start reseaching everything I can find, from cosmetics to pet food, and find out where I can be most helpful in my fight against the suffering of every animal! I feel very strongly about this and I plan to make a difference the right way!

Well...I'm going to change my tune a little right now. As much as it hurt, I watched all the Peta videos again last night, and instead of looking away or plugging my ears, I really watched them. In the one on Chinese Raccoon Fur trade, you can hear the Peta man saying to the skinner, "Skin it alive" the skinner then says "You want me to skin it alive?" the Peta man says "Yes be quick about it" In the Chinchilla Farm, you can hear the man saying to Peta, "Ya I can do that, but mind you keep my face hidden" In the pig farm, You can hear the worker laughing as he says, "Ya that poker handle will go up the rectum that far" and he shows the camera. Those are just a few. Peta was responsible by asking these people to do these horrible acts. I'm sure from what I saw and heard, these people dont normally do these things. It's a scam to get you to donate more money to them...to stop these acts of cruelty.
Yes, I'm sure these terrible things do happen and I'm not trying to justify them, but in those cases Peta is the horror. They do a good job of trying to hide that fact, you really have to get down and watch and listen, which people cant normally do when the poor animal is screaming so loudly, but it's true. Peta is a scam...shame on them!

Oh for goodness sakes, I've debated in Iams threads since I've been a member here at TCS. PETA is just NOT cool! I'm an Iams fan!

So do you not think they do testing on animals Sam?

I believe very much that they and others are doing testing on animals. And I believe very much that their testing was cruel and unnecessary, but I believe now it has improved, for the most part. I'm not saying that it is right or it's OK for them to be testing, there are many other ways to test products other than on animals! But I am saying Peta has fabricated most of their videos and instructed these people to do some of these horrible things. I have seen and heard it with my very own eyes and ears...and it wasnt easy to watch and listen as closely as I did. Yes, some of the videos are very correct with no interference from Peta and I do not doubt them at all. But I am also sick and furious with Peta from what I have discovered and personally I will not support or defend Peta ever again. The public has cried out against them for a reason.

This is a reply to an e-mail I sent the Iams company about their animal testing. I want to believe this, but they will have to prove themselves trust worthy first. I just wanted to share this with everyone so you can decide for youself.




Dear Sally:



Thank you for taking the time to contact us about our nutritional feeding studies. You've received some incorrect and outdated information. An extreme activist organization continues a misleading campaign featuring footage that's more than a year and a half old of a facility we no longer use. This inaccurate account includes examples of dogs and cats that were not part of our studies, and makes claims of activities that we never authorized.



We want to be perfectly clear: we will not fund or participate in any study requiring or resulting in the euthanasia of cats or dogs. This principle is just one of eight points in our strict research policy that is approved by an independent Animal Care Advisory Board. The members of our Advisory Board are from respected animal welfare organizations such as the ASPCA and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). We chose these individuals because they share our interest in reducing, refining, and replacing animals in research.



In addition, the Advisory Board conducts unannounced visits to review the care and welfare of the dogs and cats participating in our feeding studies at our internal and external sites.



To see a summary of recent facility reports, to view video footage of animals in our care, or to review our research policy, please visit our web site at www.iamstruth.com.



You can also see a facility report by utilizing the following URL: www.aspca.org/iams



Other important information we'd like to share:



* We support the ultimate elimination of laboratory feeding studies as scientifically valid alternatives become available. We have appointed Dr. Len Sauers to lead the development of alternatives to dog and cat feeding studies. Many don't know that beyond a few palatability (taste) studies, no other in-home nutritional feeding study methods have been validated. We already use 17 alternative methods, including a non-animal option for gastrointestinal studies and a non-animal method for measuring tartar build-up.



* We are taking full responsibility for the destiny of all dogs and cats that participate in our feeding studies at both internal and external sites. Our dogs and cats are adopted into loving homes when their help is no longer needed, including our retirement facility, which is a place where they can live their lives happily with love and affection from their human counterparts. We know of no other company that is taking this level of responsibility for the ongoing well-being of all the dogs and cats they work with.



* By October 2006 we will transition our nutritional feeding studies to be limited to three locations for feeding studies: in pet owners' homes, at the Iams Pet Health and Nutrition center, and in organizations, like animal shelters and groups that provide assistance dogs to people in need. We are making a significant investment in new facilities at our Pet Health and Nutrition Center, which will enable us to create an ideal environment while ensuring the care and welfare of the dogs and cats who help us in our feeding studies.



* We are proactively sharing the Iams Welfare Program for dogs and cats in an effort to make it the norm. An Iams Behaviorist has shared our socialization and enrichment program with shelters, veterinarians and others to illustrate that it's possible to enrich and socialize in such an environment. In addition, we recently presented our program to others in the pet food industry. We are committed to continual improvement in this area and are looking to adopt best practices in animal care and nutritional research wherever they are created. We will continue to actively search and reapply good ideas from around the world.



Thank you again for taking the time to contact us and for giving us the opportunity to respond with the facts. If you need further information or have specific questions, please visit the Web site or contact Consumer Care at 800-525-4267. One of our advisors will be more than happy to speak with you about this very important issue.



Sincerely,

Danette

Iams Consumer Care, North America







-----Original Message-----
From: Sally
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 10:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Animal testing complaint

Alot of sources have said Iams does animal cruelty. I wouldnt doubt that for a fact.

But we cant go believing what Peta says. If you heard the news recently, they were "euthanizing" cats and dogs and dumping the bodies in garbage pales at a mall! They are getting worse and worse..

exactly, besides peta employees getting busted dumping puppies in a dumpster, there are records comparing their supposed "adoption" program with other area shelters. peta had a much higher kill rate and low adoption rate.