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post #1 of 26
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I'm just wondering what you all think about dogs being left outside all the time.

It seems like almost every dog in my neighborhood is left out in their yard all the time. I've called animal control--that's who the humane society told me to call to get the dogs if they find anything wrong--twice since I've lived here, and that's only because those were the only times I thought they might actually take the dogs.

The first time it was because a dog was chained up in his yard in the rain. I called and apparently they didn't see the chain or something, because they didn't take the dog (I watched). I called back and they said the guy saw a dog house out there, and as long as they have shelter it's okay. Well, the dog couldn't get to the dog house even if he wanted to (who knows what condition it was in) because he was chained to the fence.

The second time, someone moved and left her dogs there. Her daugher lived across the street but she never fed or watered the dogs. I called and he came out and gave the dogs food & water and left a notice on the door saying he'd be back to get them if they were still there in a few days. Then her daughter took the dogs and put them in her yard. Then a couple days later they were gone, so I assume they went back to the people who had them.

They left them outside all the time, teased them, yelled at them, and drove me nuts! They had two indoor Chihuahuas as well, and I heard yelping once and looked out and saw the man dangling one of the little dogs over the fence, teasing the big dogs with it! They left them out in the rain, but I knew they wouldn't get taken away because they had a dog house, even though both dogs couldn't fit in it. They both sat out in the rain looking pitiful. I took pictures in case I needed to prove it.

This is a little after it started raining. They're both out of the dog house, so I assumed they didn't want to go in it. Do they like sitting out in the rain?(click for larger picture)



This one is after it rained more and their little area they were laying was turned into a puddle.



Now the neighbors next to me have a dog that's left outside all the time. The only time they mess with it is when they feed it. It barks every time someone's around it and they tell it to shut up.

It kills me because when ever I leave and come home, it looks at me all sad and it breaks my heart. I don't understand why people get dogs if they're just going to leave them outside all the time, and only interact with them when they feed them!

Is there something I don't know? Can dogs actually be happy being left alone in a small yard 24/7? In the rain? In the heat? Only having any sort of interaction when it's time to eat? I could understand leaving them outside if you had a doghouse they liked, and was out there playing with them (or had kids playing with them), but I still don't know why they have to live outside.
post #2 of 26
I think its horrible and will be very surprised if anyone here disagrees.
post #3 of 26
Some dogs are actually happier outside.
But no dog should be without a good, insulated shelter to get out of the weather.
Nor should they be put outside never to be interacted with outside of feeding and watering.
post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
I think its horrible and will be very surprised if anyone here disagrees.
That's what I figured, but there are so many people here that do it, I actually thought I might not know something. It seems like a lot of people think it's okay to get a dog and leave it outside.
post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arlyn
Some dogs are actually happier outside.
But no dog should be without a good, insulated shelter to get out of the weather.
Nor should they be put outside never to be interacted with outside of feeding and watering.
I understand that. My friend said he leaves his dog outside during the day when he's at work because he can chase bugs and run around. He lets him inside though.
post #6 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arlyn
Some dogs are actually happier outside.
But no dog should be without a good, insulated shelter to get out of the weather.
Nor should they be put outside never to be interacted with outside of feeding and watering.
Do you think that dogs who are outside ALL the time are interacted with often?
post #7 of 26
My boyfriend's parents have two large dogs and one pomeranian.

They have a huge back yard that is nicely landscaped and they keep their large dogs out there. The pomeranian stays inside (she's 15 years old and has no teeth so she's high maintenance). They have a dog door leading into their laundry room with big blankets laid down so when it's raining or cold the dogs can go in that room. They also set up a "wind break" on the back deck so if they want to be outside but out of the wind they can go sit by it on their blankets.


They also have a bunch of stray cats outside that they feed. They've gotten all of them spayed/nuetered and have built a big enclosure for them to go in if it's very cold or wet out.


I don't see a problem with dogs being outside if you interact and play with them often and if they have sufficient shelter for the ever changing weather.
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
Do you think that dogs who are outside ALL the time are interacted with often?
Sadly, from what I've observed, most are not, no.

I did once have a St. Bernard that wanted nothing to do with being indoors, unless it thundered.
But she was also my best friend and we did everything together.
post #9 of 26
Some dogs as stated are happier outside. but yes they need interaction, and proper shelter.

I have known many farm dogs who wouldnt come in the house if you held a big steak in front of their nose. They want to be outside protecting the land. I know KC at a farm i used to work at..would not come in no matter how cold it was. But if you left the barn door open a crack KC would go in the barn..and also had a dog house. I spent my whole day there, and often played during my down time. and so did everyone else..
post #10 of 26
Unless they are being abused, beaten, starved or if the owner isn't providing shelter or water, it is perfectly acceptable to have outside dogs, even if they are a chain. Is it right? No, but some dogs (such as hunting dogs) do not do well inside, and they are if they are in the sport, active during hunting season. If AC comes out and the dog is well fed and on a chain, they won't do anything. It looks like they have shelter- the dog house, but if they don't go in it, that isn't the owner's fault. That's how AC looks at this issue anyway.

Our dogs go outside and inside. We have a lot of property and our newest pup stays on a wire run because she has a bad habit of eating anything on the ground. She yips a lot because she doesn't like it, but it keeps her safe and it is short term, while I do the horses or other chores. We also have an outside pen to keep both dogs when we run the farm machinery.

But dogs are pack animals and they do best with other dogs and humans. These labs look a bit bored and overweight. Maybe you could volunteer to walk them twice a week or something?
post #11 of 26
In most cases, Animal Control cannot even go onto the property, or take animals without an owner surrender, unless it is an immediately life threatening issue.
post #12 of 26
That is so sad. If the dog is happiest outside, and there is sufficient shelter and interaction, that's one thing - but the type of thing you're describing? So wrong. Poor dogs. Maybe, as someone else suggested, you could offer to walk them or play with them, if you're willing.
post #13 of 26
Jake is primarily an outside dog, but he comes in as often as I can get him in (dad is still living in "the olden days" of pet care). Recently he tore his ACL and had to have surgery, so he's spent the past 2 months strictly indoors (except when he has to poop or pee). After a month, when he was allowed to come out of his crate more, he started hanging around the back door a lot, meaning he wanted outside. Luckily he hasn't given me much trouble, except for the first two days, when it comes to bringing him back inside. He'll gladly poke his nose in the crack of the door as you're opening it, but then again, I'm letting him spend some time outside. I'm not taking him out, letting him poop, and then immediately make him come to the door. I let him poop, let him maybe sniff around (catch up the on the happenings of his yard over the past day), and then he'll come up to the door on his own free will, and we both go inside.

I'm hoping that after these couple of months of living inside that my parents will let him stay inside, but I'm not counting on it. When Jake gets spooked, he alway runs to the back door, because he knows he's safe outside (try to tell him otherwise, when he's living out there for 7 years), and when he does that, my parents think that he wants out (which he does, but he also wants to eat poop and chew cooked chicken bones, but do we let him?). Plus he thinks we WANT him outside. Everytime someone let him out, they'd say "Good boy" even if they didn't mean it. But so far he's leaning towards running to his crate when something spooks him, so who knows what'll happen. He'll probably spend more time outside, but hopefully more time inside as well. He gets the best of both worlds
post #14 of 26
Now my dad's dog is outside all day when it's nice. And if the weather turns not nice, Missy has a palace of a dog house. It's insulated and very large. She also has a very large pen where she has room to run free. The house is inside the pen. Leaving your dog out that way in my oppinion is ok. My mother's dogs if they are left out are basically tied up just outside the garadge with the door left open for them to go in, which they usually do. Inside there they have blankets and food and water. They used to have a crate in there, but when we brought Abby home that came inside and they are never outside for long in the winter anyway.

I truly don't understand these people either. I think some want a 'cute little puppy.' But then thoes puppies grow up! It's like Guard Dog in the comic strip Mutts. Makes me want to cry every time I read his strips! http://muttscomics.com/cast/guard_dog.asp##
post #15 of 26
Those dogs look sooo sad I think the owners are disgusting. I feel bad for you having to see it. I couldn't handle it either. Why have dogs if you treat them like that.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by Purr
I'm just wondering what you all think about dogs being left outside all the time.

It seems like almost every dog in my neighborhood is left out in their yard all the time. I've called animal control--that's who the humane society told me to call to get the dogs if they find anything wrong--twice since I've lived here, and that's only because those were the only times I thought they might actually take the dogs.

The first time it was because a dog was chained up in his yard in the rain. I called and apparently they didn't see the chain or something, because they didn't take the dog (I watched). I called back and they said the guy saw a dog house out there, and as long as they have shelter it's okay. Well, the dog couldn't get to the dog house even if he wanted to (who knows what condition it was in) because he was chained to the fence.

The second time, someone moved and left her dogs there. Her daugher lived across the street but she never fed or watered the dogs. I called and he came out and gave the dogs food & water and left a notice on the door saying he'd be back to get them if they were still there in a few days. Then her daughter took the dogs and put them in her yard. Then a couple days later they were gone, so I assume they went back to the people who had them.

They left them outside all the time, teased them, yelled at them, and drove me nuts! They had two indoor Chihuahuas as well, and I heard yelping once and looked out and saw the man dangling one of the little dogs over the fence, teasing the big dogs with it! They left them out in the rain, but I knew they wouldn't get taken away because they had a dog house, even though both dogs couldn't fit in it. They both sat out in the rain looking pitiful. I took pictures in case I needed to prove it.

This is a little after it started raining. They're both out of the dog house, so I assumed they didn't want to go in it. Do they like sitting out in the rain?(click for larger picture)



This one is after it rained more and their little area they were laying was turned into a puddle.



Now the neighbors next to me have a dog that's left outside all the time. The only time they mess with it is when they feed it. It barks every time someone's around it and they tell it to shut up.

It kills me because when ever I leave and come home, it looks at me all sad and it breaks my heart. I don't understand why people get dogs if they're just going to leave them outside all the time, and only interact with them when they feed them!

Is there something I don't know? Can dogs actually be happy being left alone in a small yard 24/7? In the rain? In the heat? Only having any sort of interaction when it's time to eat? I could understand leaving them outside if you had a doghouse they liked, and was out there playing with them (or had kids playing with them), but I still don't know why they have to live outside.
MOST (not all but MOST) of the people with outdoor dogs have them just to have them or to protect their property. These dogs are not walked or interacted with, and YES it is sad and wrong.

I am aware some dogs do not like to be indoors but I still feel it is because indoors as well as out they are just peices of furniture. I CAN understand it can be too warm inside for some though!
post #17 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Purr
Is there something I don't know? Can dogs actually be happy being left alone in a small yard 24/7? In the rain? In the heat? Only having any sort of interaction when it's time to eat? I could understand leaving them outside if you had a doghouse they liked, and was out there playing with them (or had kids playing with them), but I still don't know why they have to live outside.
Our rescue won't adopt to homes which will have the dogs be outside unattended:

Please understand that we will not place a pet into a home if any of the following apply:

The prospective home currently has an un-spayed or un-neutered pet.
The pet will be left outside unattended at any time.
The pet is intended as a gift.

Katie
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by TNR1
Our rescue won't adopt to homes which will have the dogs be outside unattended:

Please understand that we will not place a pet into a home if any of the following apply:

The prospective home currently has an un-spayed or un-neutered pet.
The pet will be left outside unattended at any time.
The pet is intended as a gift.

Katie

I completely agree with shelters that have adopted this policy!

Strangely, when I was 11, I was told we could get a dog.
I found the perfect dog in a local no kill.
We wanted a small house dog , they refused us the adoption because the house lacked a fence.
We ended up buying a mutt, the survior of her litter (the rest died of parvo) and badly afflicted with mange.

My current dog is 90 pounds, and I still get people trying to tell me he's too big to be a house dog
He won't even go outside into his fenced yard unless someone goes with him.
post #19 of 26
Ike and Pearl go outside, in the morning and stay out, until bedtime. We have a covered patio (with a mister for really hot days), two 4-gal water buckets and a large backyard.

The dogs spend their days, playing, running and sleeping. They bark at strangers and, if my neighbor is home, mooch doggie biscuits.

Being large, rambunctious dogs, they cannot be left inside, during the day. They and Rowdy would destroy my house. Once I get home, I spend a great deal of time on the patio, throwing whatever Pearl brings to me. After dinner, they come in and have some supervised playtime with Rowdy and some ear and belly rubbing. They sleep inside.

Tucson does not get really cold, in the winter. Both of my dogs are happy, healthy, well-exercised and socialized.
post #20 of 26
I have had large rambunctious dogs all my life and would never allow them to be left outside while I am not at home.
It may be different for a hunting dog(s) or working dog(s) out on a farm in an enclosure where no one can get to them or they can't come into danger (and note the plural...dogs are pack animals).

However, I don't think family pets should be left outside. Sure, they will get used to it, but this isn't to say they will like it.

Large rambunctious dogs should NOT be large rambunctious dogs inside a house.
This is what training is for. Generally, when I hear, "Oh, he would destroy my house or chew the furniture or jump up on things or people", it simply means a dog isn't trained or trained well.
Generally a dog (especially an active or working breed such as a lab, dobe, husky, dalmatian, shepherd etc, etc, will not just exercise itself in a big back yard alone. They need interaction, training schedules and a good run twice per day.
And dogs want most to be with their people.

My largest concern first and foremost is safety. There are many incidents of kids teasing through fences, horrible cases of poisoning etc...and so many other dangers that can occur if left outside unattended.
I also HATE tie outs or chains. Its a horrible thing to see a dog having hung itself on its own chain believe me....

Also, this leads to owner caused problems such as nuisance barking, digging and howling, etc..which your neighbours will hate you for and which is simply cruel..

The safest place for a dog to be aside from its owner is a warm crate inside.

Some of my dogs could be left full run of the house and some couldn't...One of my dobe/shepherds was better if left full run knowing that after his morning run, he could sleep inside and then anticipate a good run when I got home and one of my girls preferred the safety of her crate during the day when I wasn't there.

I think what I have seen in these pictures is inhumane and plain cruel.

I agree with MA...Maybe offer to walk these dogs a few times a week?

This is what I did with a rowdy, young untrained Rottie tied out near my house and we became grand friends
post #21 of 26
It's a bad idea to keep any animal outside 100% of the time. We use to let our dog out when we were home, she was a husky mix. We had invisible fancing so we'd put her collar on and let her out. She'd lay on the deck and in the yard just watching the world go by. We'd bring her in at night, if it was raining/snowing, or whenever she felt like it. There where some times when she just did not want to come it. We'd call and call for her and sh'e look at you like "what", and "I'm fine here".

These animals are apart of your family and should be treated as such.
post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by ScamperFarms
Some dogs as stated are happier outside. but yes they need interaction, and proper shelter.

I have known many farm dogs who wouldnt come in the house if you held a big steak in front of their nose. They want to be outside protecting the land. I know KC at a farm i used to work at..would not come in no matter how cold it was. But if you left the barn door open a crack KC would go in the barn..and also had a dog house. I spent my whole day there, and often played during my down time. and so did everyone else..
My experience has been the same. All our dogs were large dogs, who were proud of their very important jobs. They had plenty of interaction with the family, cats, chickens & horses. So much better than being locked in a apt. alone all day, waiting to be walked twice a day, to spend a few hours with the owner. IMO, every dog deserves a companion througout the day, even if it's a cat!
My dogs are outside dogs, in a large kennel, as they are a threat to the neighborhood as well as to my cats & hens. But not on a chain !! that is just too cruel! It makes a dog sad and frustrated. Everyone who cares about dogs should visit www.dogsdeservebetter.com to see what we can do to help these poor dogs!!!
post #23 of 26
My neighbor who currently has a giant Alaskan Malmute and his girlfriend a pointer (?)
The larger dog is perhaps 6 yrs old. Always chained up outside 365 days a yr (in Wisconsin). When he was younger he would run over to our yard and boy does he smell!! He sometimes will be off his chain as I will hear them calling for him. No obedience training. When it thunders and lightens outside he howls for a long time.
I'm not sure what is going on with the smaller dog I'm guessing the same thing.
The "doghouses" are behind his garage so I can't ever really see them.
A couple of yrs ago when the larger dog ran away-she got in a fight with another nearby neighbor's dog (who is also chained 24/7) kids tried to break it up and my neighbor's dog was in "doggy jail" for a while. So my other neighbor with 2 younger children is worried that one day this could happen again. My "good neighbor" doesn't have a dog at the present time but is planning on getting one in the near future.
Its so sad that people are allowed to get dogs and then they treat them this way.
post #24 of 26
I completely agree that it's cruel and inhumane to leave a dog outside and ignored 24/7 - they're social creatures and need lots of interaction with their people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TNR1
Our rescue won't adopt to homes which will have the dogs be outside unattended:

Please understand that we will not place a pet into a home if any of the following apply:

The prospective home currently has an un-spayed or un-neutered pet.
The pet will be left outside unattended at any time.
The pet is intended as a gift.

Katie
However, I think requiring that a dog never be left outside unattended is overly restrictive, at least in the case of large, active dogs.

I like to think I'm a decent dog owner, but I don't think I would adopt under that rule. Few people have the luxury of taking their dogs to work with them - if I had to promise never to leave my dog outside unattended, I most likely would not have adopted her, because she's much too active a dog to leave cooped up inside 9 to 10 hours a day, when she could be enjoying herself outside with her buddy.

Our two dogs are outside during the day (unless I'm home, in which case they come in & go outside as they wish), and inside with us at night. I regularly take them for walks in the park, and we play and work with them every day. When I can, I take them to the dog park for social interaction with other dogs (unfortunately the dog park is about 30 miles away). They have a wooden-fenced backyard full of toys, soft dog beds on the shaded back porch, a doghouse, and they have each other to play with. If I leave them inside while we are away from the house, the older dog will pee all over the house, dig in the trash cans, and shred any papers or books he can find - behavior problems he developed while being kept inside all the time when we had a huge foster puppy who was too rambunctious for him. He was much happier when we started letting him outside again during the day. If we could never leave him outdoors unattended, that would mean leaving him crated inside, where he would wait all day, bored and unexercised, instead of chasing around the back yard with our other dog, playing and napping together and chasing squirrels.

Plus, we have cats - and even though both dogs are great with the cats and I've never had any problems, I just wouldn't be comfortable leaving the dogs cooped up unsupervised in the house all day with the cats - I'd be afraid if I wasn't around that a case of the kitty zoomies or a cat fight might set off the dogs' latent prey drive, with disastrous consequences.

Sorry for the hijack - just wanted to point out MO of the difference between neglecting a dog by leaving it out alone 24/7 and allowing a dog out to play during the day while you're at work.
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
Do you think that dogs who are outside ALL the time are interacted with often?
The Border Collie/Aussie Shepherd cross I had when I was a child was outside 24/7. She wouldn't come in the house unless I dragged her in. She was loved on and played with for several hours every day.
post #26 of 26
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Originally Posted by catsknowme
My experience has been the same. All our dogs were large dogs, who were proud of their very important jobs. They had plenty of interaction with the family, cats, chickens & horses. So much better than being locked in a apt. alone all day, waiting to be walked twice a day, to spend a few hours with the owner. IMO, every dog deserves a companion througout the day, even if it's a cat!
My dogs are outside dogs, in a large kennel, as they are a threat to the neighborhood as well as to my cats & hens. But not on a chain !! that is just too cruel! It makes a dog sad and frustrated. Everyone who cares about dogs should visit www.dogsdeservebetter.com to see what we can do to help these poor dogs!!!
I agree..KC LOVED his JOB! Athena and isis stay in their kennel outside if i am not going to be out there with them. when i am out there with them they can run as they please. Usually i have them coupled togetheron a coupler leash..since..they tend to have hard of hearing days when they are not together, we are working on it tho lol. the only time they are Ever on a chain (well its a retractable leash attached to the deck) is when i am just letting them out to potty quikly and have to come back in right away..its a way o let them have privacy for potty..and me to not have to chase around the yard..

but this is only for 5 mins tops..
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