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post #31 of 56
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Originally Posted by vespacat
I think there might be more to the story than what was included in the article. With a child throwing her toys out the window and a cop reprimanding the mother for it, who knows what initially transpired.

I'm still bothered by the diaper situation, especially as this was an adult who knew exactly what she was doing.
I thought it was her child who threw the diaper out...
post #32 of 56
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Originally Posted by ckblv
I think maybe she should watch her kid better and maybe keep the window closed. Wow that is a hard one.
Bet she will do better next time.
I guess I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not everyone has AC in their cars. When its hot, they would need to have open windows. The kid was probably in a car seat in the backseat - the safest place. The mom was dirving and may have been watching her kid as well as anyone can while they're driving.
Sometimes things are just accidents. Just my humble opinion.
post #33 of 56
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by squirtle
Ok... if you aren't looking at toys as litter, then they are in fact a safety hazard. What if the toys hit a cyclist or a person's windshield?
Parents are responsible for what their children do. Very good point that she was driving and didn't notice. But, what if the child herself had jumped out the window? Would you still hold to the thought she was being a responsible driver and wasn't paying attention to the child but it's ok? If you have a kid in the back seat they still need supervision and ensuring they don't throw things out the window is something a parent is responsible for.
I never once said that parents aren't responsible for what their children do!

I am looking at this from the point that a little girl was charged with littering which is ridiculous.

She didn't jump out of the window, her toys never hurt anyone and if either of those things had happened it would be an entirely different situation. Why bother going there since it didn't happen? It's not what this thread is about. We could "what-if" for hours.

The mother never saw it happen. How long would it take for a toy to be dropped out of a window? 1/2 a second? She went back and got the toys and is now keeping her windows closed. That is being responsible. It is not littering
post #34 of 56
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
I guess I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not everyone has AC in their cars. When its hot, they would need to have open windows. The kid was probably in a car seat in the backseat - the safest place. The mom was dirving and may have been watching her kid as well as anyone can while they're driving.
Sometimes things are just accidents. Just my humble opinion.
Yeah, that'd be my take.
post #35 of 56
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by squirtle
I thought it was her child who threw the diaper out...
It was

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I got a ticket for littering because my daughter removed a poopy diaper and threw it out the car window
post #36 of 56
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
I guess I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Not everyone has AC in their cars. When its hot, they would need to have open windows. The kid was probably in a car seat in the backseat - the safest place. The mom was dirving and may have been watching her kid as well as anyone can while they're driving.
Sometimes things are just accidents. Just my humble opinion.
Usually there is more than 1 window in a car. Open a window that the kid can't throw something out of.
post #37 of 56
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Originally Posted by ash_bct
I never once said that parents aren't responsible for what their children do!

I am looking at this from the point that a little girl was charged with littering which is ridiculous.

She didn't jump out of the window, her toys never hurt anyone and if either of those things had happened it would be an entirely different situation. Why bother going there since it didn't happen? It's not what this thread is about. We could "what-if" for hours.

The mother never saw it happen. How long would it take for a toy to be dropped out of a window? 1/2 a second? She went back and got the toys and is now keeping her windows closed. That is being responsible. It is not littering
I was just trying to make the point that even though her mother was driving she still needs to maintain supervision over her child. Of course we could what if for hours. But like you said earlier, you were suprised at how we all felt on the subject and this is IMO
I guess it doesn't really matter, she was charged with littering and they were fined. Nothing we say here is going to change that.
post #38 of 56
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Originally Posted by ash_bct
It was
Actually, I believe krazy kat2 has an adult daughter. She didn't mention whether or not it was her daughter who threw out the diaper when she was a child or if her adult daughter threw out her own child's diaper. Perhaps she should clarify her original statement.
post #39 of 56
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Originally Posted by ash_bct
I never once said that parents aren't responsible for what their children do!

I am looking at this from the point that a little girl was charged with littering which is ridiculous.

She didn't jump out of the window, her toys never hurt anyone and if either of those things had happened it would be an entirely different situation. Why bother going there since it didn't happen? It's not what this thread is about. We could "what-if" for hours.

The mother never saw it happen. How long would it take for a toy to be dropped out of a window? 1/2 a second? She went back and got the toys and is now keeping her windows closed. That is being responsible. It is not littering
So are you saying a littering charge should only be levied if the litter hurt someone? Sure you can say it was an accident, accidents happen all the time and the people who cause them are liable for them.
If i rear-end you while driving, I did not mean to, it was an accident but MY insurance will pay to have your car fixed. You do it (or your kid) and it is illegal, you pay. What is so hard about that. That is the way it SHOULD be.

AND, if the mother DID NOT SEE IT HAPPEN as you just said, then how the heck did she know to turn around and go pick up the toys? UHHH, she went to pick them up AFTER she got busted. Right? right
post #40 of 56
Thread Starter 
If you go back and re-read what I posted about that, I pointed out that yes it was her daughter. Nothing more~
post #41 of 56
k, Krazykat, I guess you gotta come back and clarify for us....

In either case, it doesn't seem very prudent.
1) The child should be belted in and one would hope sufficiently clothed so that they would not be able to remove their own diaper (I have never seen a child/baby do this sitting down anyway)

2) if it was an adult, why in the heck would they be changing their child in a moving vehicle, and then throwing a poopy diaper out of a moving vehicle?
post #42 of 56
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ckblv
So are you saying a littering charge should only be levied if the litter hurt someone? Sure you can say it was an accident, accidents happen all the time and the people who cause them are liable for them.
If i rear-end you while driving, I did not mean to, it was an accident but MY insurance will pay to have your car fixed. You do it (or your kid) and it is illegal, you pay. What is so hard about that. That is the way it SHOUL be.
Did I once say that? Excuse me, but I would appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth.

Like Squirtle said, nothing we say here is going to change anything so there is absolutely no need for you keep pointing out the fact parents are responsible for their children to me. You are missing my point, I am sorry but I can't change that.

There is no need for you to get personal about this and that is exactly how I will take comments like the last in bold~
post #43 of 56
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Originally Posted by ckblv
Usually there is more than 1 window in a car. Open a window that the kid can't throw something out of.
Hindsight is 20/20. She probably wanted a nice crossbreeze for her kid, but maybe she should have put the kid in a pet carrier instead. Just kidding.
post #44 of 56
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Originally Posted by ash_bct
I never once said that parents aren't responsible for what their children do!

I am looking at this from the point that a little girl was charged with littering which is ridiculous.

She didn't jump out of the window, her toys never hurt anyone and if either of those things had happened it would be an entirely different situation. Why bother going there since it didn't happen? It's not what this thread is about. We could "what-if" for hours.

The mother never saw it happen. How long would it take for a toy to be dropped out of a window? 1/2 a second? She went back and got the toys and is now keeping her windows closed. That is being responsible. It is not littering
Sorry, not trying to upset you but from reading the above where it says,"She didn't jump out the window, her toys never hurt anyone and if either of those things had happened it would be an entirely different situation" That is what made me ask what I did, should a littering charge be levied only if someone get hurt from the littering. Just wanted to clarify that for you.
post #45 of 56
No, my daughter did not make a habit of throwing poopy diapers out the car window. She was about a year old and had just discovered how to remove the tapes and take her diaper off. I started carrying duct tape in the diaper bag after that, so it would never happen again. I was absolutely mortified! That was also 22 years ago, before anyone figured out that baby seats were safer in the back in the middle, so she was right by the window.
post #46 of 56
I think it is wrong to charge a $288 littering fine for a 4 year old throwing toys out the window. I have 4 kids, and while I try to keep close tabs on them, sometimes the little stinkers can come up with the craziest things. I have never had one try to throw a toy out the window, though.

I doubt it ever crossed the Mom's mind that this would happen. The cop could have just spoken to the little girl, and taught her a lesson about littering.

I have caught a couple of my kids trying to throw a piece of trash out the window, and that is the time for a stern warning, including that the police will fine me if they are caught. But to actually be fined seems over the top to me.

No, I don't believe that kids should be able to get away with committing crimes with no repercussions. But 4 is very young!
post #47 of 56
It's 10:30, it's late (usually in bed by 9:00), and I've got a lot to say about this since I live on a well traveled road. But I'll have to catch it in the morning.

The best I can come up with right now is that --- I bet the 4 year old won't do it again, will she?
post #48 of 56
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2
No, my daughter did not make a habit of throwing poopy diapers out the car window. She was about a year old and had just discovered how to remove the tapes and take her diaper off. I started carrying duct tape in the diaper bag after that, so it would never happen again. I was absolutely mortified! That was also 22 years ago, before anyone figured out that baby seats were safer in the back in the middle, so she was right by the window.

DUCT TAPE!!! I'm sorry, had to pick myself up off the floor after that one! Duct Tape really does fix everything doesn't it!!!
post #49 of 56
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Beckiboo
I think it is wrong to charge a $288 littering fine for a 4 year old throwing toys out the window. I have 4 kids, and while I try to keep close tabs on them, sometimes the little stinkers can come up with the craziest things. I have never had one try to throw a toy out the window, though.

I doubt it ever crossed the Mom's mind that this would happen. The cop could have just spoken to the little girl, and taught her a lesson about littering.

I have caught a couple of my kids trying to throw a piece of trash out the window, and that is the time for a stern warning, including that the police will fine me if they are caught. But to actually be fined seems over the top to me.

No, I don't believe that kids should be able to get away with committing crimes with no repercussions. But 4 is very young!
Thank you!
post #50 of 56
Yup, duct tape is the best! It will hold anything!
post #51 of 56
Littering is disgusting. The child did, police busted the mom and fine was levied. Justice is served as far I am concerned. I don't think it is about a "poor" 4-year old getting busted at all. I think it is about a wake-up call for mommy to be more observant and vigilant.
I admit I would rather see some low-life that just threw his whole bag of McDonalds trash out the winder get busted than what happened here.
post #52 of 56
I absolutely agree with ckblv - the mother should have been watching her child, and since she wasn't and allowed the child to throw the toys, I feel the fine is totally appropriate. Additionally, four is WAY old enough to know better than to throw toys out the window - if this was a one year old, then okay, that would a bit different, but four? I never would have tried that at four years old, because I KNEW I'd get my butt kicked - obviously this child did not fear consequences, which makes me think that the mother is way too permissive, which makes me think that the fine is especially warranted - maybe this will teach the mother to control her child. I am SO sick of people not controlling their childrens' behaviour - maybe *forcing* parents to be accountable in this manner will encourage more parents not to let their children do anything and everything without taking the responsibility for controlling their childrens' behaviour.
post #53 of 56
The article is actually too short for me to form any opinions about it.
I do think that people should be taught from an early age that our world is NOT a trash can.
But being that we are living in a disposable society, should we expect anything else? We learn to use it & throw it away-and most people don't think about the "where".
I hate it when people dump their ashtrays in parking lots, I hate seeing beer cans & food wrappers on our shore lines..
I especially hate the "out of sight, out of mind" mentality that people have about large bodies of water. If I am out on a boat, I won't toss a cigarette overboard-I use something to keep the butts in till I get back to shore, & will raise holy hell with anyone who doesn't do the same. I once got so angry at some people who were letting their newspaper blow all over the beach that I stormed over to them with their soggy paper in hand, dumped it on their blanket & told them to take back their garbage.
Some people just don't seem to realize that there are FAMILIES out there! Living, breathing intelligent families that live in organized societies..how would people like it if their kid ate someones cigarette butt, or died because they couldn't free themselves from fishing line, or a plastic 6-pack holder? Or do families only matter because they are human?
I could go on & on about what I think of people who litter.
Yes, they should be fined, & their children should learn to be responsible as soon as possible.
post #54 of 56
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Originally Posted by Me-n-my guys
The article is actually too short for me to form any opinions about it.
I do think that people should be taught from an early age that our world is NOT a trash can.
But being that we are living in a disposable society, should we expect anything else? We learn to use it & throw it away-and most people don't think about the "where".
I hate it when people dump their ashtrays in parking lots, I hate seeing beer cans & food wrappers on our shore lines..
I especially hate the "out of sight, out of mind" mentality that people have about large bodies of water. If I am out on a boat, I won't toss a cigarette overboard-I use something to keep the butts in till I get back to shore, & will raise holy hell with anyone who doesn't do the same. I once got so angry at some people who were letting their newspaper blow all over the beach that I stormed over to them with their soggy paper in hand, dumped it on their blanket & told them to take back their garbage.
Some people just don't seem to realize that there are FAMILIES out there! Living, breathing intelligent families that live in organized societies..how would people like it if their kid ate someones cigarette butt, or died because they couldn't free themselves from fishing line, or a plastic 6-pack holder? Or do families only matter because they are human?
I could go on & on about what I think of people who litter.
Yes, they should be fined, & their children should learn to be responsible as soon as possible.
I agree with all of this. We are ruining this earth fast.
post #55 of 56
I think it's fair. I don't know about the amount, but if that's what they generally fine for littering where she's from then that's a fair amount. It shouldn't be any more or less because it was a child and the parent was irresponsible by opening the window on her daughter's side enough that toys could be thrown out it. Common sense!

One time at a stop light I saw a woman in the car in front of me open her door and put trash out next to her car. I went up there (I wasn't driving) and said, "excuse me, stuff fell out of your car when you opened your door." Like I was just being helpful. She was so embarrassed she picked it up and put it back in her car. It was obvious she put it out there on purpose, as I saw her set it on the ground!

She probably put it out later, but at least I tried.
post #56 of 56
Well. I think the fine was a bit steep, however, I do feel that some sort of fine is in order. I have a 4 year old god child and I can tell you that I could have her in the back of my car with the window down with ALL of her toys, *AND* she would know better than to throw anything out of the window.


I think at 4 years old kids are able to know right from wrong. They should be able to. 4 year olds aren't stupid. I realize she's just a child, but she should be punished by her mother and her mother should be made to pay a fine (although I think $288 is a bit steep in this case).
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