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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
God help me, I never thought I'd see the day. I actually AGREE with Bill Frist on something!
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...h_stemcells_dc
Hopefully we are one day closer to finding cures for diabetes, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, etc.
post #2 of 21
Let the research continue & expand.
post #3 of 21
Not all conservatives are or ever have been opposed to this type of research. Also, be aware that it does not show much promise in some areas where it has been tounted, particularly with Alzheimer's Disease. With this particular disease stem cell research shows absolutely no potential for help (losing an aunt to the disease, and now watching my father in the later stages, I've become all to familiar with it.)

George
post #4 of 21
You know as I study the lastest political world we live in, I don't even think Bush is against stem cell research, he just knows his political base is so he goes along to keep repubs in power. It's all a big game. It's like abortion, his daughters and his wife are Roe supporters, but he will never admit he is too.

What I do think he is dippy about it national security, economy (always pandering to big biz) etc. But honestly, I don't think he give a hoot about stem cell or Abortion.
post #5 of 21
I consider myself to be a conservative, and I have NEVER been opposed to this type of research. I am also pro-abortion.


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Originally Posted by CharmsDad
Not all conservatives are or ever have been opposed to this type of research. Also, be aware that it does not show much promise in some areas where it has been tounted, particularly with Alzheimer's Disease. With this particular disease stem cell research shows absolutely no potential for help (losing an aunt to the disease, and now watching my father in the later stages, I've become all to familiar with it.)

George
post #6 of 21
I think everyone is missing the point about the "Stem Cell Debate", in that the government isn't AGAINST the research, only the using of tax money for the research, and I for one, agree.

There are no restrictions against the research using private funds, and frankly, if the research showed any promise, there would be ample private money to fund it, but the present brouhaha is simply a furthering of the health care industry getting its 'tater hooks into the tax coffers, which is a thing that needed stopping long ago.

There are a large number of people who know "where the do-nuts are" and are very quick to jump on ANY excuse to bleed the taxpayers for any reason.

I can't understand why the politicians (Bush, et al) don't say, "I fully support the private funding of Stem Cell Research, and fervently hope in its success ! !"

And as far as Frist taking his position, well DUH, he's a doctor, so what else is new ?

I will quickly count myself as one who opposes his political activities in this area, and others as well, and disputes his statement, that he "is a Tennesseean and knows what Tennesseans want", like, oh yeah, Princeton and Harvard Medical, why sure, he's just another typical Tennesseean, yaknowwhaddamean ? ?

Why is there not a barfing emoticon ? ?

Leonard
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by winwin
Why is there not a barfing emoticon ? ?

Leonard

There is, Leonard.



post #8 of 21
I fail to see what's wrong with using stem cells from embryos that are going to be thrown out anyway. I hope Bush can see the big picture and past his selfish ideal and let them be used for some good.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by eburgess
I fail to see what's wrong with using stem cells from embryos that are going to be thrown out anyway. I hope Bush can see the big picture and past his selfish ideal and let them be used for some good.

i'm a Christian so obviously i'm against abortion but it does happen and i see nothing wrong with putting those embryos to use, especially since it could help people and save lives.

i hear a lot of people tell me it's wrong etc, i wonder how wrong they would think it is if it could save their childs life.

if i was sick and it could help me, i'm sorry but i'd do it for sure, they are just going in the bin anyway...it's stupid.

i don't think embryos should be made just for stem cell research but the one's that people are going to dispose of anyway...it would be stupid not to.
post #10 of 21
Private money isn't coming in as much as one might expect NOT because the research shows no promise, but because the returns on that money won't be swift enough. When it comes to private funds, they are usually from companies that think they'll ultimately make a profit on their "donations". However, the returns must happen quickly enough to satisfy the shareholders, and with a research subject this young, it will be a LONG time before we really get pay-offs, medically speaking. So, not many companies are giving their money, at this stage.
post #11 of 21
I think our efforts would be better spent in the direction of genetic engineering, which would accomplish the same thing and better, than the Stem Cell research, with the added benefit of being able to "fix" things that SC would not.

Just think, "designer babies", what a beautiful concept, to be assured of a child with all the positive genetic codes and NONE of the negative.

We DO live in interesting times . . . .

Leonard
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by pandybear
i'm a Christian so obviously i'm against abortion
Um....I'm Christian and pro-choice. Being Christian does not automatically make one anti-choice
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by eburgess
I fail to see what's wrong with using stem cells from embryos that are going to be thrown out anyway. I hope Bush can see the big picture and past his selfish ideal and let them be used for some good.
Exactly. I think the whole 'pro-life' view the right generally takes is completely skewed. If you were pro-life, why NOT publically fund this research so that you could save those who are already living? Being against abortion doesn't make someone pro-life, it m akes someone anti-abortion. Making a major public spectacle out of someone who was, for all intents and purposes as her autopsy confirmed, already dead on life support doesn't make you pro-life. Supporting the death penalty...not pro-life either. Sending young people into the quagmire that is Iraq CERTAINLY doesn't make you pro-life, and we could go on to say the same about funding big business that kills animals, or eating Texas style brisket on a regular basis etc, etc, etc...you know, not exactly pro-life.

If you want to be pro-life, then fine. But you better be anti-death penalty, anti-war, vegan, anti-abortion, anti-gun ownership, and pro-publically funded stem-cell research.

Somewhat off topic, but it's just my .02.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
Exactly. I think the whole 'pro-life' view the right generally takes is completely skewed. If you were pro-life, why NOT publically fund this research so that you could save those who are already living? Being against abortion doesn't make someone pro-life, it m akes someone anti-abortion. Making a major public spectacle out of someone who was, for all intents and purposes as her autopsy confirmed, already dead on life support doesn't make you pro-life. Supporting the death penalty...not pro-life either. Sending young people into the quagmire that is Iraq CERTAINLY doesn't make you pro-life, and we could go on to say the same about funding big business that kills animals, or eating Texas style brisket on a regular basis etc, etc, etc...you know, not exactly pro-life.

If you want to be pro-life, then fine. But you better be anti-death penalty, anti-war, vegan, anti-abortion, anti-gun ownership, and pro-publically funded stem-cell research.

Somewhat off topic, but it's just my .02.
That sums it all up PERFECTLY!
post #15 of 21
I am a Roman Catholic and a doctor and really do not understand what the fuss is all about (and I sit on an ethics committee as well). I guess that is a rhetorical point. I do not understand why anyone would use their religion to deny another a chance at life. Stem cells help poeple walk again and will help us do wonderful things to help others. Is that not Christian???? It makes no sense to me to oppose it. It is hardly the same as abortion and I respect someone who opposes the taking of life based on their moral values - I myself would never have an abortion but I do not think I can impose my religious beliefs on others.

Stem cells are an entirely different question. These are cells - not a human being. And fetal cells can become any kind of cell and that is why they are so treasured by researchers. I do worry about unscrupulous researchers but that can be helped by legislation. And the unscrupulous will find fetal cells any which way they can, sadly - and those of us who truly do reaesrch for the good of humanity (in my case, it is cancer research) may well be hurt by right wing ideologues seeking re-election.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by CyberKitten
I am a Roman Catholic and a doctor and really do not understand what the fuss is all about (and I sit on an ethics committee as well). I guess that is a rhetorical point. I do not understand why anyone would use their religion to deny another a chance at life. Stem cells help poeple walk again and will help us do wonderful things to help others. Is that not Christian???? It makes no sense to me to oppose it. It is hardly the same as abortion and I respect someone who opposes the taking of life based on their moral values - I myself would never have an abortion but I do not think I can impose my religious beliefs on others.

Stem cells are an entirely different question. These are cells - not a human being. And fetal cells can become any kind of cell and that is why they are so treasured by researchers. I do worry about unscrupulous researchers but that can be helped by legislation. And the unscrupulous will find fetal cells any which way they can, sadly - and those of us who truly do reaesrch for the good of humanity (in my case, it is cancer research) may well be hurt by right wing ideologues seeking re-election.
Absolutely. I could not have said it better. I have a tremendous amount of respect for people like you...people that have their own deep spiritual or religious beliefs and yet do not feel that everyone in the entire world must be subject to them. Bravo! This country needs more people like you!
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by pandybear
i'm a Christian so obviously i'm against abortion
I'm Roman Cathloic and I support abortion rights.
post #18 of 21
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I'm Roman Cathloic and I support abortion rights.
well, lets not go there
post #19 of 21
Quote by CyberKitten: "Stem cells help people walk again..."

When did this happen??? Last I heard, stem cells haven't helped ANYONE walk again.
post #20 of 21
Here's what bothers me about Frist's statements.

"I am pro life, I believe human life begins at conception," Frist said in a Senate speech. "I also believe that embryonic stem cell research should be encouraged and supported."

If human life begins at conception, then those embryos are human lives, and experimenting on them is not different than experimenting on other humans, in principal. I understand how people who believe life starts at birth, (and until then the embryo or fetus isn't really a human person) can say go ahead and abort, or use the cells for experimentation. But to say, "Yes, it is a person, but it is ok to cut it up for science" is very creepy to me!

My Mom died of an incurable brain tumor on Memorial Day, 2002. If killing one of your children would have made her survive, I would not have wanted to kill one of your children. Go ahead and experiment on cord blood, other stem cells, etc on tax dollars. But don't kill what you believe to be a human life!

If each of the liberals in Hollywood would put in $5 million dollars for embryonic stem cell research, there would be enough money to do privately funded research.


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...h_stemcells_dc
post #21 of 21
im down for stem cell research. i mean we can donate our organs and stuff..our whole bodies to science if we want to!! im not an avid reader up on the stem cell stuff..but im for it.!

i realize that probaby doesnt sound very smart, i havent read much about it..but at least from what i've heard/read..i see no harm..but im sure it probably will cause cancer just like everything else does in the world! just kidding..i just read this thing how grilled meat a certain way can give you cancer..and it just seems like pretty much everything causes cancer..or some sort of problem. but lets at least keep researching!
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