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post #91 of 119
I'm not skinny....but I'm not fat. I workout so I have a strong, healthy body and I enjoy being fit. I think bodies that look HEALTHY, no matter what size, are the sexiest.
post #92 of 119
I agree. You can be slightly overweight or underweight and still be healthy. I think obsessing over numbers on the scale is unneccesary. I'm just thankful all my limbs are in place, and everything is where it it should be.
post #93 of 119
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Originally Posted by vespacat
I agree. You can be slightly overweight or underweight and still be healthy. I think obsessing over numbers on the scale is unneccesary. I'm just thankful all my limbs are in place, and everything is where it it should be.
Exactly...well said!.
post #94 of 119
I think sadly what it all boils down to is being happy with yourself. Or even better comfortable in your own skin. The fashion and beauty industry want to sell us these things but would hate for us to actually achieve this without their input.

It makes me sad that people look at magazines and compare themselves to those ultra-thin girls on the pages. No-one not even those girls can live up to whats printed on those pages. Photoshopped and styled to the max, quite frankly a lot of them look a little creepy with their perfection. Perfect skin, perfect teeth, rail thin bodies, perfect hair, just not natural.


Currently I wear a size ten, at 5' 4" tall I'm not a tall woman and many would say that I'm pushing up there in weight. I have always had a curvy figure. Even as I child I carried extra weight, so that is simply the way I am. I honestly believe that your body has a weight that it naturually perfers to be. When I was in highschool my body like 115-120 lbs. When I got out of highschool it was 120-130 pounds. And since I've hit my late twenties it's become 140-145 pounds. No matter how much I eat or excercise I tend to stay the same weight. And most importantly I feel good and healthy. I'm not hungry all the time the way I was when I went through the I'm too fat stage of my life during highschool. Now admittedly I won't be running any marathons or anything but I have the energy to get through my day and do the things I want to do. Could I afford to loose a little weight? Yeah honestly I probably could, getting back to down to 130-135 pounds would probably be great for me.

I have got to admit, I am reluctant to wear a bikini in public but then I would be reluctant to wear one even if I was in perfect shape. I'm just not the kind of person that feels good about flaunting herself. But you want to hear a secret, I kind of like the extra weight I've gained. I like the bigger hips and butt and chest that I've gotten with it. I even kind of like my little belly, although I do watch it to make sure it doesn't get out of hand.
post #95 of 119
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Originally Posted by GrayKittenLove
Currently I wear a size ten, at 5' 4" tall I'm not a tall woman and many would say that I'm pushing up there in weight. I have always had a curvy figure.
Me too (though closer to a size 12 now), but I'm totally OK with that.
post #96 of 119
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Originally Posted by darkeyedgirl
I think the most beautiful women are the ones who have a few pounds extra, meaning, they have curves. I cannot stand to see someone's BONES showing through --- men AND women!!!

I went to a strip club down in New Orleans (women stripping, I treated my male co-workers to lap dances) and I tell you what, the girls who were toothpicks with the fake boobies were UGLY. They had NO personalities and they were fake fake fake as far as kindness. The girl I liked the most was curvy and natural and what most would call 'fat' or overweight.

My niece was lamenting to me last night that she says all the pretty girls in her school are thin and they all get the boyfriends. Ashley is about 30 pounds overweight. I told her, you have very nice curves and you are a pretty girl because you smile and are fun to be around! I said, I bet the skinny beautiful girls are duds and boring!

It ticks me off, too, to see how grossly thin a lot of the Hollywood chics are. Lindsay Lohan for one has gone into the toilet. I can understand if someone is sick from a medical condition but when someone starves themselves on purpose, in the name of fashion and 'beauty', they are sending out some pretty desperate messages.

Personally I'd rather see a guy with a nice gut who is a sweetheart than a guy with a perfect bod who is a jerk; and on the flipside, I'd rather see a woman with a big ol butt and some curves to her who is proud of who she is, than a freaking RAIL with no personality!
What you say makes SOME sense BUT there is Model - emaciated thin and then there is FAT and OBESE! ALL of these are bad. There IS a middle ground and people need to find it.

My family are Ballet people and my neice became so thin that she looked (litterely) like she was dying. She got counsling and was on a strict diet to EAT and now she has found her "middle" ground.

As for a guy wiht a "gut" FORGET IT! Guys have a middle ground too! Too much of anything is too much!
post #97 of 119
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Originally Posted by Roxy_loves_CJ
As a person overweight, I get the same thing you get, just on the opposite end. I am not a woman because most of society feels that if you wear above size 16 you are not attractive. I think the term "Real Woman" came not so much what we have biologically but what the average woman in the US is size wise and they found that most women living in the real world are not size 0 like most women in hollywood are. Therefore women in the real world are real women. apparently the real women in the us are size 12/14 on AVERAGE. That would mean there are people on both sides of this number.
That is the phrase that always bothers me "real women". Every woman is a "real woman". Yes, some celebrities and models may take dieting, weight loss, and the goal to stay skinny to the extremes of eating disorders and obsessive diet. But there are many thin, successful models and actresses that do not look like this - Kate Hudson, Julia Roberts, Gisele Bundchen (all very thin, but certainly not unhealthy looking).

As for myself, I'm 5'2 and I've always been fairly thin. About a year and a half ago, I found myself at a size 10-12 and while I realize that this is close to the average size of American women, I was horrified. I'd put on about 25 lbs. and for me that was far too much. I didn't feel like a "real woman", I felt fat and I was. To have gone from a size 3/5 to a size 10 was a huge jump. However, once it finally hit me, seeing a picture of yourself will do it, I realized that it had to stop. I've lost all of that (plus a couple more pounds) and would still like to lose about 5 more. I'm not obsessed with my weight, but it is important to me. I would rather be a size 2 than a size 12, for me that is much healthier.
The worst part of this is I still get called fat on occassion, which I find to be more than a little ridiculous.
post #98 of 119
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Originally Posted by milopixie
That is the phrase that always bothers me "real women". Every woman is a "real woman". Yes, some celebrities and models may take dieting, weight loss, and the goal to stay skinny to the extremes of eating disorders and obsessive diet. But there are many thin, successful models and actresses that do not look like this - Kate Hudson, Julia Roberts, Gisele Bundchen (all very thin, but certainly not unhealthy looking).

As for myself, I'm 5'2 and I've always been fairly thin. About a year and a half ago, I found myself at a size 10-12 and while I realize that this is close to the average size of American women, I was horrified. I'd put on about 25 lbs. and for me that was far too much. I didn't feel like a "real woman", I felt fat and I was. To have gone from a size 3/5 to a size 10 was a huge jump. However, once it finally hit me, seeing a picture of yourself will do it, I realized that it had to stop. I've lost all of that (plus a couple more pounds) and would still like to lose about 5 more. I'm not obsessed with my weight, but it is important to me. I would rather be a size 2 than a size 12, for me that is much healthier.
The worst part of this is I still get called fat on occassion, which I find to be more than a little ridiculous.
This statement below bothers me because you are basically calling a size 10/12 fat, which is not true at all. And your body image seems quite damaged, especially if you believe that you were "fat" at a size 10.

"About a year and a half ago, I found myself at a size 10-12 and while I realize that this is close to the average size of American women, I was horrified. I'd put on about 25 lbs. and for me that was far too much. I didn't feel like a "real woman", I felt fat and I was"

Even if being a certain "size" puts you at being 20 pounds overweight, those 20 pounds do not necessarily make you unhealhty, There are many very physically healthy and active sizes 12's out there, and being physically active will keep you healthy, despite your size.

It's the attitude and being obsessed with the scale that make it unhealthy. Thanks to scales we have eating disorders such as anorexia. Let's not get so hung up on what the scale says and be realistic instead of over the top.
post #99 of 119
Milopixie's characterization of size 10-12 as "fat" was in relation to her own body, not a generalization. Let us remember that what is "fat" on a 5'2" frame is not necessarily "fat" on a 5'6" frame. Size 10-12 is pretty average -- for a given height and an average frame. If Milopixie is a petite little person, size 10-12 would seem humongous, where on a taller heavier frame it would seem more appropriate.
post #100 of 119
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Originally Posted by vespacat
This statement below bothers me because you are basically calling a size 10/12 fat, which is not true at all. And your body image seems quite damaged, especially if you believe that you were "fat" at a size 10.

"About a year and a half ago, I found myself at a size 10-12 and while I realize that this is close to the average size of American women, I was horrified. I'd put on about 25 lbs. and for me that was far too much. I didn't feel like a "real woman", I felt fat and I was"

Even if being a certain "size" puts you at being 20 pounds overweight, those 20 pounds do not necessarily make you unhealhty, There are many very physically healthy and active sizes 12's out there, and being physically active will keep you healthy, despite your size.

It's the attitude and being obsessed with the scale that make it unhealthy. Thanks to scales we have eating disorders such as anorexia. Let's not get so hung up on what the scale says and be realistic instead of over the top.
Actually what I said was that for me, that was fat. For someone else, a size 10 or 12 can be perfectly healthy and look great. But for me that was more weight than I should have weighed. Ideally, as I've been told by my doctor I should be around 115-120 lbs and clearly 145 lbs. on a small 5'2 frame was not healthy. I also didn't judge based only on what the scale said. I judged by the way my clothes fit and going from the size I was to a size 10 is in fact a big difference.

Believe me I am far from having an eating disorder, I don't binge and I don't starve myself either. I eat when I'm hungry and I don't when I'm not. I don't deny myself certain foods either, if I want a bowl of ice cream I'll eat it. I could never have an eating disorder, bc I enjoy food way too much for that.

I also don't understand how I was being "over the top".
post #101 of 119
But why label yourself "fat" (I think that's over the top) when you are really just slightly overweight. Doesn't it just add to low self-esteem and negativity in relation to body image?
post #102 of 119
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Originally Posted by rapunzel47
Milopixie's characterization of size 10-12 as "fat" was in relation to her own body, not a generalization. Let us remember that what is "fat" on a 5'2" frame is not necessarily "fat" on a 5'6" frame. Size 10-12 is pretty average -- for a given height and an average frame. If Milopixie is a petite little person, size 10-12 would seem humongous, where on a taller heavier frame it would seem more appropriate.
Thank you that was my point exactly.

Vespacat - So you're problem is that I used the word fat. I don't think that's over the top. If I had said I was obese, yeah that would have been way, way over the top. Sure, I could have chosen the word overweight, but I didn't. That wasn't how I felt, I felt fat, plain and simple. I didn't have low self-esteem then and I don't now, I am just happier (and healthier) being a certain weight and looking one way rather than another.
post #103 of 119
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Originally Posted by milopixie
Thank you that was my point exactly.

Vespacat - So you're problem is that I used the word fat. I don't think that's over the top. If I had said I was obese, yeah that would have been way, way over the top. Sure, I could have chosen the word overweight, but I didn't. That wasn't how I felt, I felt fat, plain and simple. I didn't have low self-esteem then and I don't now, I am just happier (and healthier) being a certain weight and looking one way rather than another.
OK, makes sense. But someone else calling you fat... even now??? Just hit them with a 2x4 and maybe they will leave you alone. I don't know how on earth someone would STILL call you fat.
post #104 of 119
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Originally Posted by vespacat
OK, makes sense. But someone else calling you fat... even now??? Just hit them with a 2x4 and maybe they will leave you alone. I don't know how on earth someone would STILL call you fat.
Yeah, well I think those are the types of people that are truly a problem in our society. Glad we cleared this all up!

On another note:
As anyone else seen the Dove ads that came out recently? They feature women of all sizes, colors, and whatnot. One would think that women would embrace a truthful projection of what women look like (fat, skinny, etc. - no air brushing or touching up), but from what I've heard there were actually quite a few women who were outraged and disgusted that Dove would even put together a campaign like this. Now that I think is truly sad.
post #105 of 119
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Originally Posted by milopixie
Yeah, well I think those are the types of people that are truly a problem in our society. Glad we cleared this all up!

On another note:
As anyone else seen the Dove ads that came out recently? They feature women of all sizes, colors, and whatnot. One would think that women would embrace a truthful projection of what women look like (fat, skinny, etc. - no air brushing or touching up), but from what I've heard there were actually quite a few women who were outraged and disgusted that Dove would even put together a campaign like this. Now that I think is truly sad.
Personally, I think it's a great concept and all the women I know have embraced the campaign, but I still feel it's ultimately a moneymaker for Dove, profiting off of "normal" women, at any rate. Does it make me want to purchase their products over a company that uses airbrushed models? It's my money - absolutely!

I hope that made sense. It did in my brain where ideas move through a million miles a second.
post #106 of 119
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Originally Posted by vespacat
Personally, I think it's a great concept and all the women I know have embraced the campaign, but I still feel it's ultimately a moneymaker for Dove, profiting off of "normal" women, at any rate. Does it make me want to purchase their products over a company that uses airbrushed models? It's my money - absolutely!
100% agreed AS USUAL Jenn
post #107 of 119
I'm average weight - not fat or skinny (although I do feel fat sometimes). If anyone called me felt, I would be waaaaaaay p*ssed. We all have mirrors. We all know when we eat that slice of chocolate cake where its going.

It cracks me up how guys talk to each other. As a woman I cannot imagine saying "Jane, looks like you just ate a whole cow! (slaps her in the belly) BTW, isn't that pancake on the back of your head getting bigger, too?"
post #108 of 119
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
I'm average weight - not fat or skinny (although I do feel fat sometimes). If anyone called me felt, I would be waaaaaaay p*ssed. We all have mirrors. We all know when we eat that slice of chocolate cake where its going.
Unless there is a thyroid disorder (which isn't the case for most of us), absolutely we would know where the weight gain stems from. I'll admit, chocolate is one of my vices, so I have to be careful. Though sometimes it's powers overwhelm and are far too tempting to resist.

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Originally Posted by Rockcat
It cracks me up how guys talk to each other. As a woman I cannot imagine saying "Jane, looks like you just ate a whole cow! (slaps her in the belly) BTW, isn't that pancake on the back of your head getting bigger, too?"
True enough! If I did that to my best friend she'd slap me in the head.
post #109 of 119
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Originally Posted by milopixie

On another note:
As anyone else seen the Dove ads that came out recently? They feature women of all sizes, colors, and whatnot. One would think that women would embrace a truthful projection of what women look like (fat, skinny, etc. - no air brushing or touching up), but from what I've heard there were actually quite a few women who were outraged and disgusted that Dove would even put together a campaign like this. Now that I think is truly sad.
I those ads!!! It's about time someone started putting women with non-Hollywood bodies in ads. Not all of the women are perfect, but they are all beautiful and don't look the slightest bit uncomfortable with themselves.
Even my boyfriend likes the ads...but then he likes slightly meatier fare than what most beauty ads offer. lol
post #110 of 119
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Originally Posted by milopixie
As anyone else seen the Dove ads that came out recently? They feature women of all sizes, colors, and whatnot. One would think that women would embrace a truthful projection of what women look like (fat, skinny, etc. - no air brushing or touching up), but from what I've heard there were actually quite a few women who were outraged and disgusted that Dove would even put together a campaign like this. Now that I think is truly sad.
I love those ads too. i think the women are beautiful and make me smile every time i see them.
post #111 of 119
I'm going to skip all the replies and go right to this point.
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What do people think of the 'un-attainabe' level of beaty in the media?
It's not the kind of woman I'm attracted to. I don't know any guys that are attracted to anorexic sticks. To me, it's a bit of a myth that women supposedly look best that way.
post #112 of 119
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Originally Posted by Hydroaxe
I'm going to skip all the replies and go right to this point.It's not the kind of woman I'm attracted to. I don't know any guys that are attracted to anorexic sticks. To me, it's a bit of a myth that women supposedly look best that way.
O.K., so from what I understand just from reading the replies/quotes on this page, it's offensive & politically incorrect to call someone "fat" but it's perfectly okay to call thin people "anorexic sticks" (knowing nothing of their health, medical history, genetics, what have you)
Anorexic sticks have feelings, too & are just as capable of beating someone with a 2x4! (as another member mentioned..)
Is there a double standard going on here, or what?
post #113 of 119
WOW! All this time I thought this thread was about cats!! I would look at the title and think - why is weight/size such an issue ABOUT CATS!! I didn't realize it was in the IMO opinion forum.

Anyhoo, yeah, I believe that being anorexic-looking in Hollywood is getting to be quite ridiculous. The most ridiculous statement came from Jessica Alba, who I think looks fabulous (especially early Dark Angel), when she said "I'm not fat, but I'm not skinny either". I thought - are you serious??!!! She is the tiniest thing ever, and I noticed she slimmed down even more halfway through the Dark Angel series (and now), and she still thinks she is NOT SKINNY!!! Actually, that other girl from That 70s show (Kundra or something) said the same thing.

I look at Jennifer Aniston in the early Friends years and she looked fine. Then her face gradually sucked in more and more and more until she looked thin-lipped and ragged and horribly skinny.

Ridiculous.

Now I am NOT saying that "skinny people" look ridiculous lest you think I am being derogatory. I am speaking of Hollywood people who are obsessed and get down to a ridiculous size just to meet the Hollywood standards.

Lindsay Lohan, Nicole Richie, Jessica Simpson??!!!! Come on!!

The worst one is Keira Knightly. *shudders*.

Its the obsession with unhealthy weight I am against, my friend has it too and I think it's very unbecoming. She is really tiny, but obsessed about it, which in my eyes is unbecoming.
post #114 of 119
I am 5'0" and weigh 85 pounds...almost. I have days when I see myself as fat, although I know that is ridiculous. I have really tiny bone structure.
When I was in high school, I was teased unmercifully for being "plump" and was called, "fatty, fatty, 2 X 4." I weighed 100-105.
post #115 of 119
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Originally Posted by Me-n-my guys
O.K., so from what I understand just from reading the replies/quotes on this page, it's offensive & politically incorrect to call someone "fat" but it's perfectly okay to call thin people "anorexic sticks" (knowing nothing of their health, medical history, genetics, what have you)
Anorexic sticks have feelings, too & are just as capable of beating someone with a 2x4! (as another member mentioned..)
Is there a double standard going on here, or what?
The word stick was only a slight exageration. I never said it was okay to call people the "F" word. I never use it ever! If I were to jump on a passing comment as easily as you then I would reply waving my hands in the air about you mentioning the act of "beating someone with a 2x4!", but I didn't take that seriously. Anorexia is far from healthy and it hasn't effectively been proven to be genetic either. I'm picturing the handful of celebs who are actually diagnosed with it because many women look up to them. I'm not referring to every day women who have a naturally low BMI and live strong, healthy lives, alright?
post #116 of 119
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Originally Posted by Hydroaxe
The word stick was only a slight exageration. I never said it was okay to call people the "F" word. I never use it ever! If I were to jump on a passing comment as easily as you then I would reply waving my hands in the air about you mentioning the act of "beating someone with a 2x4!", but I didn't take that seriously. Anorexia is far from healthy and it hasn't effectively been proven to be genetic either. I'm picturing the handful of celebs who are actually diagnosed with it because many women look up to them. I'm not referring to every day women who have a naturally low BMI and live strong, healthy lives, alright?
Oh, Wyan, you're so funny!

At the time of that post, I was more concerned about an upcoming football game so that I could engage in some serious arm waving, than a real reply.
Well, it's half-time now..
Basically what it all boils down to is that I'm tired of hearing cliches about thin people spoken by some who seem more concerned about what they look like than who they are inside.. I'm also sick of the cliches about overweight people, too, by the way. Among others.
I personally don't care about what's going on in the world of Hollywood-I'm taking this to a more personal level because WE are ALL "real" people, talking amongst ourselves, about OUR thoughts & feelings.It's become more than just who's-who in Hollywood.
For you to come off like you are trying to put me in my place for expressing an honest opinion is a bias on your part.After all, I'm not the one who is spouting cliches here..I'm just trying to get people to think a little before they just look at someone & automatically say "Oh, there must be something WRONG with her, she's so...(add your favorite word)"
As far as the 2x4 thing goes, if you noticed what I put in parenthesis...ahem..
Alright?
post #117 of 119
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Originally Posted by Me-n-my guys
Oh, Wyan, you're so funny!
Well maybe... except when I have foot-in-mouth disease. I thought only livestock got that though.
post #118 of 119
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Originally Posted by Hydroaxe
Well maybe... except when I have foot-in-mouth disease. I thought only livestock got that though.
Half-time in Steelers Country..
I think you missed my edit..
post #119 of 119
For all you extra thin by nature ... I will give you ten lbs each and well all be happy
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