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post #1 of 21
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My co-worker and I were just talking about how fabulous the London police work was that they were able to track down who exactly was involved in both the first and second bombings within days, at least being able to give a face and name to those who did it. Gosh, it took how long to do the same thing for 9/11? Weeks, at least. And I realized that the biggest difference is the surveillance used in public places in London as opposed to the great fear of "Big Brother" here in the US. I heard a stat that the average Londoner is caught on tape or photographed over 200 times per day with all of the cameras in public places.

My question here is two-fold:

To those outside of the US: Do you have public surveillance in your area? How do you feel about it? How does it affect you?

To those within the US: How would you feel about surveillance cameras in public areas (streets, public transit, etc.)? Do you think there is an expectation of privacy in public areas?
post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by valanhb
To those within the US: How would you feel about surveillance cameras in public areas (streets, public transit, etc.)? Do you think there is an expectation of privacy in public areas?
I have no expectation of privacy in public areas - that is why they call them public and not private areas. IMHO of course.
post #3 of 21
I have no expectation of "public privacy". I don't have a problem being watched or videotaped as long as I'm not in the bathroom or in my home.
post #4 of 21
I dont have a problem with streets, train stations, parking lots, malls etc... I think there is a level where I find it creepy though - like elevators, I just cant help but think of the number of times I have adjusted my bra in one...
post #5 of 21
We do have it over here Heidi, and more so in the main town centres where all the nightlife is.

It's come in really handy as well, because there was a guy murdered a few train stations away from me and they had them on camera, and there was some football hooligans in the centre of town who they also caught.

It doesn't bother me, i welcome it in fact, and i don't think of it when i'm out either?!.

I must remember not to pull at my knickers now
post #6 of 21
We have surveillance cameras in some public places, Heidi, e.g., the train station, airport, and the main pedestrian mall. They have certainly helped to reduce crimes in some areas. There has been a lot of discussion since 9/11 about expanding surveillance. Now that 7/7 has made people aware of how useful it can be, I imagine we'll be getting a lot more.
post #7 of 21
I only feel it's big brother if it's when we *expect* to be private and it's public. I don't care if they put more camera's in our transit areas, in fact I wish they money we are spending in Iraq to "make us safe" was used in ways like that instead.
post #8 of 21
I don't have problems with camers in a public area. It may make me safer, and the only thing they are going to catch me doing is retreiving the occasional wedgie.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by Talon
I have no expectation of privacy in public areas - that is why they call them public and not private areas. IMHO of course.
I agree. It would be nice, but it would be irresponsible to let our security suffer for it.
post #10 of 21
We have surveillance cameras in some high-crime areas of Chicago now. And it DOES seem to be helping so far.

As many others have said, I have no problem with it as long as it's someplace you expect to be public, and not someplace like a restroom.
post #11 of 21
Overall, I support the increased surveillance.

The city that I live in has some surveillance cameras in public places, and I don't have a problem with it because I don't worry about people seeing what I do in public, and believe it could help the local police and our community.

On the other hand, it is quite costly to operate, maintain and upgrade the system so that needs to be considered. My city has a relatively low crime rate, so I would like to see a cost benefit type of analysis from our city hall and police dept. before giving an opinion as to whether I want to foot the bill for it here.

Here is a link to a recent article regarding my city.
http://www.securityinfowatch.com/onl...ted/4492SIW349
post #12 of 21
I do not expect privacy in a public area. Halifax has more cameras now and that tends to be a good thing via a vis crime. I do not plan on robbing any banks or doing anything nefarious so I have no problems with it at all. We have cameras now in the hospital - in public areas - and while no one has ever kidnapped a child or stolen major drugs, you never know!!
post #13 of 21
I have no difficulty whatever with surveillance cameras in public places. I don't plan to do anything that I wouldn't want captured on one, and as we've just seen, it provides important data that just isn't available otherwise. As long as they stay out of my private life, that's all I care. And because it's not only about crime rates under normal circumstances, but every bit as much about responding to the extraordinary and unthinkable as efficiently as possible, I'm OK with the tax bill. It's just how it is these days.
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by slitty_kittay
I dont have a problem with streets, train stations, parking lots, malls etc... I think there is a level where I find it creepy though - like elevators, I just cant help but think of the number of times I have adjusted my bra in one...

I agree! That is one of the best "public" places to adjust yourself, or pull down riding pants or check to be sure your skirt isnt caught in your undies!
post #15 of 21
I don't mind cameras, in public places. Working in casinos, I expected to be on camera.

Tucson already has redlight runner cameras, at the worst intersections, in schools, on public buses and in stores and malls. At work, the parking lots and entry/exit doors are monitored. There are also cameras. monitoring the freeway. Every morning, I get a live shot, before I go to work. Lets me know if I need to avoid it and go through town.
post #16 of 21
I think we should tape in public..it is after all public.
post #17 of 21
You are on tape an ave of 77 times a day in the US ... I dont mind ..
post #18 of 21
I could care less if they put up cameras everywhere in public as long as they don't hit the bathrooms or changing rooms at stores I'm good. Somehow I don't think anyone is going to care that I adjustment my undies sometimes and if they do tough cookies. But then I also live by if you don't want someone to know that your doing something then don't do it out in public. Much like if you don't want something read then don't write it down.
post #19 of 21
No problem as far as I'm concerned either, so long as it's not a private place. There are cameras on our main highstreets and outside many nightspots, but the most they'll catch me doing is adjusting my undies!

I wouldn't want to work somewhere that my boss installed cameras (unless needed as in a casino etc). Even though I'm totally honest, I'd feel odd being taped all day long!
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by Kellyyfaber
I have no expectation of "public privacy". I don't have a problem being watched or videotaped as long as I'm not in the bathroom or in my home.

Agreed completely. These cameras could not only help with terrorism, but with catching numerous other criminals as well.
post #21 of 21
To those within the US: How would you feel about surveillance cameras in public areas (streets, public transit, etc.)? Do you think there is an expectation of privacy in public areas?[/quote]

Does not bother me in the least. I,or I should say my backpack was searched last Friday morning. I knew it was coming since my backpack is large enough to carry a set of twins. The night before, knowing that they were more than likely going to search it, I cleaned my bag out (good incentive.) While I don't mind the searches, I think the searches here in NYC lack continuity. I have been to many different stations since (Brooklyn and Manhattan) and have not been searched while carrying the same backpack.
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