I'm a bit upset...

by the decision to delete 3 threads here. Has this become the stated policy of this site now that we have to be aware of what a moderator PERCIEVES to be happening? No discussion,no commnt; just I THINK you're going to say something offensive or confrontational therefore you're gone? Is THAT what this site is going to become?

I reviewed all the threads before they were removed and fail to see anything so very terrible about any of them. Sure,in the last couple of posts there was a little archiness,but since when is that new? The whole latter part of the MJ thread grew out of a "confrontation" and turned into a quite entrtaining little "tour de force". Judging by all the "hits" it was quite popular;our own little soap opera as it were.

To top it off we are told to PM so everything can be swept under the rug. A couple of dissenting opinions were deleted as well. Apparently there is some confusion between the titles moderator and God. I thought we had learned better. Please do not trot out the old "children are watching" chesnut either. There's more risque content in the Ally McB or survivor threads and nobody pulled them.

Every time this happens we lose members who are witty,entertaining and even wise. Perhaps it is just too much to ask that personalities be left out of these decisions. Or perhaps new members should be SCREENED to make sure they are of the proper "sort".

I am NOT PM ing this because I think it affects ALL the members here and they DESERVE to have their say. Delete this if you wish,but you can then delete my membership too. I had thought better of you.

Kittyfoot,

I will do my best to explain what happened. The threads in question were all deleted because of what happened in the lilyrose thread. I don't know if you were on last night while it was going on or not. There were some posts made that could have started a fight. We've seen it a million times. In the interest of fairness all 3 were deleted.

As for taking it to PMs that's what we do when trying to avoid the board from getting ugly. Anne has repeatedly said to take things to PM to avoid more fighting. It's not as simple as 'poof, the MJ thread is gone' there was an explanation posted in the locked thread, and then the mod made the judgement to move it. And like I said it stems from an entirely different thread that most people didn't even see. This board has been pleasant lately and noone wanted to see that change.

Having not been online last night, I certainly have no knowledge of what went on, but...

Having seen some of the recent references to "lilyrose" and recalling the strange disappearance of the same, I fail to see how that affects 3 other threads.

All in all...WHATEVER. Do what you do, I'll do what I do and the world will continue to turn...

Bill

AP,

Very well put. I was part of one of those threads. It was fun while it lasted and now it's gone. No big deal. And if deleting it avoided any flaming, confrontations or arguments, then so be it.

The threads in question were all deleted because of what happened in the lilyrose thread. I don't know if you were on last night while it was going on or not. There were some posts made that could have started a fight. We've seen it a million times. In the interest of fairness all 3 were deleted.

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Ahhhh....so if a moderator dont like a thead then they have the right to delete all simular threads? That sure dont seem like fairness to me (In the interest of fairness) at all!!!

And yeah the explanation was posted in the locked thread...and yeah the moderator then deleted that thread. BEFORE everyone had a chance to read the explanation. Lot of good it did to give one at all!! Not that it made any sense to me anyhow. But that is my opinion and I think (?) that I am still entitled to have my own opinion.

So if this stemmed from a thread that most people didnt even see why delete other threads that were precieved to be simular???? As you said this board WAS a pleasent place lately so why did the moderator deem it necessary to to make it become unpleasent??

Sorry but I think this is very UNFAIR to say the least. I was told in a pm that some people thought we were posting too much on the fun threads and not enough on the serious threads. Ok so I dont like the threads about the TV shows. So if I complain a bit about them are you going to delete all those too?

MY OPINION IS....I think this is a bunch of bull $%^&.....

Meme

Airprincess..I have no problem whatsoever with moderators coming into a thread saying this has to stop or we lock the thread. What BURNS MY BUTT here is the arbitrary DELETING of 3 threads. I refer you to your own statement "It stems from an entirely different thread that most people didn't even see." That seems to me to be "Big Brotherism" rather than moderation.

I'm entirely surprised that you would support this given your previous statements about wanting to live in a society with rights.

Again..I am not upset because any one thread was of supreme importance to me. All were basically fluff where members could be a bit goofy,let their hair down and laugh. All would die soon anyways of their own volition or at least go into "hibernation".

It is the heavy-handedness of this "decision" that I object to. Might I suggest that if you moderators are having a problem with someone's posts you PM THEM and work it out rather than deny everyone else their platform.

Let's HOPE this doesn't become the LAW here.

Meme,

The person was cat and she basically said she didn't know why more people weren't posting in the max thread than the lilyrose thread. I just wanted to clear up the misconception that someone else complained that people were posting in the MJ thread rather than serious threads.

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The person was cat ...

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What does it matter WHO it was?! Did THIS need thrown out in a public thread?

I completely agree with Wayne. The threads deleted were not all-consuming or critically important and would have perished in a sort of natural selection. It really IS about the principle of the thing.

...and I'll not waste time debating this further, as I've got other things to occupy myself.

Happy New Year!
Bill

Amen to that, Bill! I guess some people are more sensitive than others. Why let stupid stuff like that make you mad. What a waste of time.

Meme was confused about the nature of what was said. I was trying to clear it up. Since people don't want to do it in PMs, and want to it here, that's what I'm doing.

It's a lose, lose. If you say PM me, people say you're sweeping it under the rug. If you try to clarify in the thread that has been designed stricly for that use, then people don't like that either.

I've never abused my 'mod' powers. I didn't delete the threads last night but I did see what was happening. Since people are upset and want answers, and since Deb is a teacher and not on during the day I'm trying to fill in some of the blanks here, so people don't have to hang.

AP....It dont matter to me who the person/persons were that complained. And I personally dont think names should be mentioned but that is my opinion. I did not mention names as it is not the issue. Everyone has a right to complain. But that doesnt mean all simular threads have to be deleted because of one thread or because of one or a few complaints!!

Meme

AP

Meme is NOT confused!!!! Meme knows what was said and not said. Meme even quoted it.........

Thanks for at least letting us post our objections!

look, I didn't want to have this conversation on the board in front of the whole world, and this is why it was recommended to take it to PMs in the first place.

This thread was started with the intentions of getting 'answers' so I'm trying as best I can to explain what happened. It wasn't my idea to take this publically on the board, but people are demanding answers and I'm trying my best to fill in the blanks.


I really can't win here, if I'm vague it's bad, if I'm not, it's bad. I give up.

I apolgize Meme, I read your response wrong and I was just trying to shed as much light as possible on this.

"Don't fight battles that are too hard to win, it's not worth all the anguish"

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To All:

I simply stated that I wished that people were more interested in convicting a criminal that bashed Max's head in...I never tried to make anyone feel guilty about it...I simply said what I just mentioned and then I was attacked by Melissa stating that I was trying to make people feel guilty. I told her, if the shoe fits, wear it, but that was not my intent to make people feel guilty. I was simply stating that I was surprised that this person "LILYROSE" was getting more attention than MAX. This woman basically gave us the finger...she had a beef with someone so, what's the big deal? That's all I said.

That was all I did A/P and if you find that offensive than you in my opinion have a distored view of a simple comment. You know damn well that's NOT why the post was deleted. You nor anyone of your click liked the MJ Thread nor the Christmas Thread. If you're not the parade you guys have to be the rain. So have your limelight and enjoy it.

I too feel as Daniela, this site has turned into anarchy; which is something that I do not wish to be part of. For all my good, dear friends I've made here, I know we'll stay in contact.

For all of you that made this Board what it is today, I hope you don't treat new members the way you treated me. If you delete this...it shows once more what type of people that run this Site. It's no wonder that LilyRose left.

Again, this was Max's homebase; how awful of you people to put personalities ahead of justice for this horrendous crime that was this kitty's fate.

Oh, and to all of you too!

Cat

Good one, Donna!

Thanks for the reminder!

Bill

I don't envy the job the moderators have to do. I understand everyone's distress about the deleted threads, & there were probably different ways of dealing with them (pm's etc). However, the mods have to walk a fine line between what different members of the site want. There are some young people who do have access to the site. Other then the MJ thread, I don't even know what was deleted. I do know, that as a responsible adult, if I was asked to change things in the way I post for valid reasons, I would be more then happy to do so. I don't think I can blame the mods for doing the job as they deem best, as I for one don't want to have to take over their duties!

You hit the nail on the head

Airprincess..I DO APPRECIATE that you tried to explain the decision. I have no big problems with yourself or any other PERSON on here. I may or may not agree with what ANYONE says in ANY thread or post and I do understand the perameters of posting on this site. Once again my beef is with the decision to delete 3 unrelated threads,not with who made the decision. It's the principle,not the persons.

I would draw a parallel. If a Govt agency arbitrarily closes a public program and refuses to justify it's actions openly everyone would be up in arms screaming censorship. Why is that different?

As far as Cat goes,we all know that she is totally committed to Max's cause. What's wrong with that? I too note how quickly her posts about him disappear from lack of response. I would have thought that Max would have been a cause celeb for a site of this nature? Or at least a support for those involved when things are not going well.

I will let my posts drop here by saying I think a mistake of procedure was made and needs to be openly acknowledged.

Not that I have time to debate endlessly, as I am currently at work, but let me get a few things straight.

1. It has been stated in the past that if one didn't like the nature of a party thread, then choose not to participate. Fine. Just don't make a statement like that and later ignore it yourself.

2. For those of you who have not been around a long time, the Max issue has become a catalyst for trouble in the past, and due to that history, it certainly looked to me like it was heading in that direction again. Trouble has a way of snowballing around here, and I do not think it unreasonable to conclude that if one party thread were closed and tensions were running high, that it would bleed into other threads. There is plenty of precedent for that assumption.

3. People were plenty upset that their party was subject to criticism when others weren't. My action was designed to apply the same thing fairly across all.

4. Let me point out one other thing. I initially simply closed the threads with an explanation. But things began flowing in. Had it been 8 pm instead of 1 am, I would have hung around to talk about my action. That was simply not possible. To avoid having things erupt, I decided to move the threads. They have not been deleted, and I left it up to Anne as to whether she wanted to reopen them. If she does, fine, but all involved need to be mindful of not raining on others' parade. If you expect to be treated with consideration and respect, that street runs both ways. Don't preach about letting people have their fun and intrude on theirs in return.

If Anne chooses to reopen 1, 2, or all 3 threads, I abide by her decision and even agree with it. But from where I was sitting last night, I felt that it was time to take a step back before things got ugly. You may not agree with that action, and that is your choice. But I defend my right to have taken it. Moving, rather than deleting, was done purposefully, as I have seen threads disappear into cyberspace before.

This is hopefully the last public address I will make on the issue. I can read undercurrent as well as the next person, and this dispute has been brewing for some time. If you want to make me the Typhoid Mary of the issue, fine.