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My hubby is reading it now and I can't wait for him to finish it so we can talk about it. I can't wait to hear his opinion on Snape, he doesn't like him either.
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SPOILERS-Harry Potter discussion thread
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Very interesting point. I've noticed that as the series has gone on we see more sides to the characters-Ron's growing confidence, Hermione's willingness to do nasty things to get the outcome she wants, Neville's emerging competence. And now Draco, with his emotional breakdowns in Myrtle's bathroom (I thought he'd be one of those characters that didn't show any growth).
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I agree, it's nice to see the characters developing in this way, makes them much more interesting. It's also nice to see Draco really scared for once, he's finally realizing he isn't invincible. I also think that Ginny Weasly has gained quite a bit of self confidence. I think she'll play a strong role in the 7th book whether she's with Harry or not (hopefully with
I always despised Snape. After I read C2, Spinner's End, I loathed Snape with a passion. I always found a way to trust him... mainly because Dumbledore does... but now I regret ever trusting him.
The book is second-best as of right now... but it really better start picking up. I'm already half-way through and the only parts I truely enjoyed was the Harry-Narcissa verbal fight in Diagon Alley and all the making out, romance, jealousy parts of the book. Like I said, this book is going to be REALLY hard to beat Goblet of Fire.
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Azkaban was my favorite. In the end, hope Harry at least gets to curse the hell out of Malfoy.
This book is my least favourite of the series so far. I'm so disapointed. Right now it is even just sitting on my floor, I'm thinking the best place for it however is the bin!
Books are not to be thrown away - donate it to a children's reading program.Originally Posted by WellingtonCats
This book is my least favourite of the series so far. I'm so disapointed. Right now it is even just sitting on my floor, I'm thinking the best place for it however is the bin!
Oh there is no way I will be throwing it away. I was half joking.
The other five books of mine were put into storage in the garage but they have gone all mouldy.
I cried at the end of that book like I have hardly ever cried at anything before in my life.
I suppose I am among the few million who have fleeting hopes that this is all a hoax, Dumbledore only appeared to be dead, dumbledore found a way to preserve himself, snape faked killing him off to appeal to voldemort and fawkes was like that because it was planned, the same as the picture of dumbledore in the office. If I had been harry I would have clung to that picture like it was the only thing in the world I needed to survive.
But yet a increasingly louder voice keeps telling me that Dumbledore is really dead. This would actually turn out to be an advantage to Harry, giving him more strength and love to work off of when he finally faces voldemort.
It took me about six hours to read. Best six hours of my whole damned life if you dont mind me saying. These books are the best books ever written I think. Some people might argue that this famous person who made a book was better, this person in history, yet none have captured the imaginations and tweaked the hearts of millions like these books have. All I know is at the same time I was reading about Dumbledore's death and crying silently to myself, it felt like millions of other people were sitting beside me and doing the same.
It is almost like death to have to wait a year, maybe two, dare I say THREE for the next book to come out though. Ooooh how I want a time machine to go into the future!!!!! I like how the book is so fullfilling even though it is not as long as the other books. I hope the last book is longer than this one though. But it will have to be, because JKR has to tell how harry finds and disposes of the other souls and stuff. I think I might just die of sadness if the last book has to have many parts. :O but if it would get the parts otu to me so I could read them faster, then yeah. parts. Give them to me.. like.. right this second O_O
I suppose I am among the few million who have fleeting hopes that this is all a hoax, Dumbledore only appeared to be dead, dumbledore found a way to preserve himself, snape faked killing him off to appeal to voldemort and fawkes was like that because it was planned, the same as the picture of dumbledore in the office. If I had been harry I would have clung to that picture like it was the only thing in the world I needed to survive.
But yet a increasingly louder voice keeps telling me that Dumbledore is really dead. This would actually turn out to be an advantage to Harry, giving him more strength and love to work off of when he finally faces voldemort.
It took me about six hours to read. Best six hours of my whole damned life if you dont mind me saying. These books are the best books ever written I think. Some people might argue that this famous person who made a book was better, this person in history, yet none have captured the imaginations and tweaked the hearts of millions like these books have. All I know is at the same time I was reading about Dumbledore's death and crying silently to myself, it felt like millions of other people were sitting beside me and doing the same.
It is almost like death to have to wait a year, maybe two, dare I say THREE for the next book to come out though. Ooooh how I want a time machine to go into the future!!!!! I like how the book is so fullfilling even though it is not as long as the other books. I hope the last book is longer than this one though. But it will have to be, because JKR has to tell how harry finds and disposes of the other souls and stuff. I think I might just die of sadness if the last book has to have many parts. :O but if it would get the parts otu to me so I could read them faster, then yeah. parts. Give them to me.. like.. right this second O_O
Jesus.. could it be really that simple????
What if dumbledore and snape....
took the polyjuice potion.....
and so dumbledore really didnt die... it was snape.... and... dumbledore.. is snape....
that would explain the conversation harry overheard....
But then that nagging doubt comes into my mind... thinking about how snape could have acted like dumbledore so well.. and now dumbledore could have acted like snape... but.. its a hopefull thought anyways.
I really think that if harry had not used sectumsempra (sp) on Malfoy, and maybe just blocked and gone to talk to him... it might have been different.. because malfoy wasnt leading Moaning myrtle on... he was confiding in the only person he could confide in. That is a horrible curse by the way. Bleh. I think that is what that one guy used on Hermione in HP and the OP... but that doesnt really matter...
The thing with the primeminister and fudge at the begining was hilarious. Funniest thing Ive read in a while.
What if dumbledore and snape....
took the polyjuice potion.....
and so dumbledore really didnt die... it was snape.... and... dumbledore.. is snape....
that would explain the conversation harry overheard....
But then that nagging doubt comes into my mind... thinking about how snape could have acted like dumbledore so well.. and now dumbledore could have acted like snape... but.. its a hopefull thought anyways.
I really think that if harry had not used sectumsempra (sp) on Malfoy, and maybe just blocked and gone to talk to him... it might have been different.. because malfoy wasnt leading Moaning myrtle on... he was confiding in the only person he could confide in. That is a horrible curse by the way. Bleh. I think that is what that one guy used on Hermione in HP and the OP... but that doesnt really matter...
The thing with the primeminister and fudge at the begining was hilarious. Funniest thing Ive read in a while.
I am on page 167 - The Half Blood Prince chapter...
I just read a great editorial which helps make sense of the end, if you haven't finished the book, don't read this! Click here It is from Beliefnet.
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Very interesting article, especially this point (quoted directly)-
"In the books, the person who fears death most is Voldemort. We learn in Book Six that he cut up his soul so that he might never have to die, but in doing so he killed the part of him that was eternal. This is contrasted with Dumbledore, who lived his life soul-fully; he kept his soul intact. Dumbledore says that Voldemort "was in such a hurry to mutilate his own soul, he never paused to understand the incomparable power of a soul that is untarnished and whole.†(HBP 511)"
JKR revealed in an interview, posted here
http://www.the-leaky-cauldron.org/ex...nterview2.html
that Voldemort was afraid of death and his boggart would be himself dead. It's neat how so many themes are becoming more apparent as the series progresses, so that astute readers can pick up on them.
Well all, I've finished the book as of 9:54 PM yesterday and I have to say....
I think Snape can't be wholly bad-He wants to make sure that Harry maintained a pristine soul, doesn't he, telling him that there will be no unforgiveable curses for him? Hes' protecting Harry the only way he knows how, and my suspicion is that he's doing so as a debt to Dumbledore, and because he doesn't want to be a deatheater, but has no choice in the matter.
I also understand why everyone doubted Harry. Malfoy has shown no signs of extreme evil up to this point, merely bigotry, and jealousy that his family encouraged re: Harry Potter. It was viewed by most adults, and children as an increase in the rivalry between the two 'house heads" as they are socially viewed. Only Harry, the only person who has had a full understanding beyond Dumbledore could have understood just how sinister the things were that were happening. Except Dumbledore, who knew what Malfoy was up to, but didn't expect it to come about on the day that he drank the weakening potion. Dumbledore had no fear of death, however, and also no fear of Malfoy actually being able to go through with it. Even though a deatheater, I suspect Malfo was again merely following the only truth that he had ever known- that which his parents raised him to beleive. Maybe Dumbledore Saw this in him.
Snape, however, could not allow Malfoy to be the one to kill Dumbledore, for whatever reason, perhaps also as a debt to Dumbledore- to keep Malfoy as innocent as he possibly could- Why, I don't know.
Next year, I don't tink there will be a hogwarts, but No, Harry's not going back-I simply hope that he manages to work out more spells than this year- I know he's a sinch for dark arts, but he'll need more than that to do well in the real wizarding world.. *frown*
I think Snape can't be wholly bad-He wants to make sure that Harry maintained a pristine soul, doesn't he, telling him that there will be no unforgiveable curses for him? Hes' protecting Harry the only way he knows how, and my suspicion is that he's doing so as a debt to Dumbledore, and because he doesn't want to be a deatheater, but has no choice in the matter.
I also understand why everyone doubted Harry. Malfoy has shown no signs of extreme evil up to this point, merely bigotry, and jealousy that his family encouraged re: Harry Potter. It was viewed by most adults, and children as an increase in the rivalry between the two 'house heads" as they are socially viewed. Only Harry, the only person who has had a full understanding beyond Dumbledore could have understood just how sinister the things were that were happening. Except Dumbledore, who knew what Malfoy was up to, but didn't expect it to come about on the day that he drank the weakening potion. Dumbledore had no fear of death, however, and also no fear of Malfoy actually being able to go through with it. Even though a deatheater, I suspect Malfo was again merely following the only truth that he had ever known- that which his parents raised him to beleive. Maybe Dumbledore Saw this in him.
Snape, however, could not allow Malfoy to be the one to kill Dumbledore, for whatever reason, perhaps also as a debt to Dumbledore- to keep Malfoy as innocent as he possibly could- Why, I don't know.
Next year, I don't tink there will be a hogwarts, but No, Harry's not going back-I simply hope that he manages to work out more spells than this year- I know he's a sinch for dark arts, but he'll need more than that to do well in the real wizarding world.. *frown*
Am I the only person who cried when Snape killed Dumbledore??? I mean... I know this sounds dumb, but I BAWLED!!
Like a baby.. then I got upset at myself.. because I know it's just a book. LOL
I'm still a little confused though. At the end, Harry said that he wasnt returning to Hogwarts. Not returning to hogwarts??? WHAT?!?!
I'm still a little confused though. At the end, Harry said that he wasnt returning to Hogwarts. Not returning to hogwarts??? WHAT?!?!
DinahCat, would it make you feel better to know that I cried off and on for the rest of the book? Even though I thought Dumbledore would die, especially with the titles of the last 2 chapters, it didn't make it any easier.
As for Hogwarts, there was some question whether it would even open, since parents might be reluctant to send their children away from home. Also, I think Harry has proven on several occasions that he is quite capable. With his new resolve to get rid of Voldemort, it's not surprising he's concentrating on that.
As for Hogwarts, there was some question whether it would even open, since parents might be reluctant to send their children away from home. Also, I think Harry has proven on several occasions that he is quite capable. With his new resolve to get rid of Voldemort, it's not surprising he's concentrating on that.
I think this was a plot decision. I don't see how there could be time for Harry to be at Hogwarts while he's probably running all over the planet trying to find Voldemort's horcruxes and fighting Death Eaters and whatnot. I would really be surprised if all of the horcruxes were in Britain, after all, there was the one that was in Romania, or wherever, that Quirrel picked up.
Cindy
LOL.. I'm glad that I am not the only one. I too, cried off & on for the rest of the book. When he died, I just put the book down and sobbed.
