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post #1 of 23
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/...eut/index.html

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas. If you haven't seen the game, it's violent, it's nasty, and according to those who play it, it's fun. I'm not familiar with the San Andreas edition, but the Miami edition reminded me a lot of Scarface.

Apparently, with a hack on the game, you can gain access to an "Easter Egg" of the game character having sex with his girlfriend. Somewhat graphic, but it's not pornographic (I've seen screenshots - they can see worse on Cinemax or Showtime!). Par for the course in this game. In the first one you could pick up a hooker in your stolen car, and if you pressed the right sequence of buttons the car would start a-rockin'.

Is the game moral? Heck no! But it is also rated M, for Mature, and shouldn't be sold to anyone under 17 anyway. Essentially, it's an NC-17 rating. But Hillary is launching a probe because it's "in the hands of children". Just which children have this game? The ones who got it illegally anyway? The ones whose PARENTS bought it for them? That's NOT MY PROBLEM! Now, if she's mainly going after the retailers who let kids buy M-rated games, fine - good even. Kids shouldn't be playing that game! But if she's going after the maker of the game because of a hack that was never intented to be implimented, she's over the line IMO.
post #2 of 23
I agree, she is stepping over the line.
The rating on the game is M, and should not be legally sold to minors. That's good enough for me. There are so many adults that play video games that the association of video games being geared for children just isn't valid anymore.
I purchased my fiance's son Grand Theft Auto II. It is violent, but we made the decision to allow him to have it. He was not allowed to have San Andreas because we felt the violent and sexual context of the game exceeded that of the other version. It is the responsibility of the parents to decide what they are going to allow their children to have access to, and with that comes the responsibility of making sure their kids don't get their hands on it.
post #3 of 23
My partner is playing it right now in the background!

Yes, its vulgar at times - But its not intended for kids. Kids should not be able to buy it - it is both very violent and somewhat sexually toned. When we have kids it will be in a safe place and we will only play it (or games like it)after they have gone to bed.

I find it really odd how its ok for kids at the movies to see others being gunned down, and blown up but an animated sex scene in a game is just a complete scandal.
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by slitty_kittay
My partner is playing it right now in the background!

Yes, its vulgar at times - But its not intended for kids. Kids should not be able to buy it - it is both very violent and somewhat sexually toned. When we have kids it will be in a safe place and we will only play it (or games like it)after they have gone to bed.

I find it really odd how its ok for kids at the movies to see others being gunned down, and blown up but an animated sex scene in a game is just a complete scandal.
These are my sentiments exactly.
Why are people so laissez faire when it comes to violence in movies and video games but sex scenes or showing breasts or butt are cut and censored or edited altogether and still given an R rating??
post #5 of 23
I agree that trying to ban something intended for fully consenting, mature adults is crossing the line. There will always be children that get hold of films/books/games/pictures that are not intended for them, but that doesn't mean that every item of media/game etc etc should be dumbed down to the level of a 5 year old 'just in case'. It's the responsibility of parents and shopkeepers to make sure these things don't get into the wrong hands.

I haven't played San Andreas, but I have played previous versions of GTA and I really liked them. They are geared toward adults, if the object of the game was to see how many smarties you could gather whilst riding around on the tricycle mum and dad bought you then that would be a kids game. I'm old enough and ugly enough to make my own decisions on what is suitable for me, and I don't need some self rightous Mary Whitehouse wannabe trying to censor my life!
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by squirtle
I agree, she is stepping over the line.
The rating on the game is M, and should not be legally sold to minors. That's good enough for me. There are so many adults that play video games that the association of video games being geared for children just isn't valid anymore.
I purchased my fiance's son Grand Theft Auto II. It is violent, but we made the decision to allow him to have it. He was not allowed to have San Andreas because we felt the violent and sexual context of the game exceeded that of the other version. It is the responsibility of the parents to decide what they are going to allow their children to have access to, and with that comes the responsibility of making sure their kids don't get their hands on it.
Exactly.

If adults want to play violent games it's our prerogative (my best friend was playing Vice City the other night, gunning down prostitutes and I found it hilarious but I am mature enough to not laugh at real adults..even prostitutes..being shot for any reason). It frustrates me how everything adult oriented these days is coming under heavy scrutiny.
post #7 of 23
I agree that she doesn't have something better to do! I mean who really cares? As everyone else has said, it's meant for adults not children in the first place. That's why it's rated M not E. Kids always get their hands on things not meant for them, I know I did as a kid. It's up to their parents or the whoever sells the games to keep it out of the hands of children. There are more pressing matters going on in this world, and I'm sure in NY state, for the senator to concern herself with!
post #8 of 23
I love GTA 2 and, though I have a LOT of respect for Hilary Clinton and admire her very much, I cannot say I completely agree with her on this one.

While I do support enforcing the proper age guidelines when selling movies, video games, etc., I also think there are more important things that we could be doing surrounding these issues, such as good sex ed and dating violence classes as part of all middle and high school curriculums. Plus, as Heidi said, kids could see worse on Cinemax...or Desperate Housewives (which I personally love)!
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by valanhb
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/...eut/index.html

Now, if she's mainly going after the retailers who let kids buy M-rated games, fine - good even. Kids shouldn't be playing that game!
I think she is mainly focusing on the retailers. "Saying the problem of explicit video games was "spiraling out of control," Clinton also said she was introducing legislation that would crack down on the sale of violent and sex-laden games to minors.

The legislation would impose a $5,000 penalty on retailers who sell adult-rated video games to underage children."
post #10 of 23
I agree with RockCat, she is looking into the "modifications" and how they were added to the game. And the game makers said that hackers were responsible. Also, she wants to stiffen the penalties on retailers who allow minors to have access to the violent/graphic games. I've been to a chain video rental store that wasn't strict at all in that way, but IMO these stores need to pay a more decent wage so that they can get a higher-caliber of employee who cares whether or not they sell to minors.
post #11 of 23
Personally, I love GTA. Hours upon hours of violence, and huge boards you could spend ten years of your life trolling and never fully see. I personally would not let a child play it. I am actually knid of happy to see that someone is trying to do something to prevent young children from purchasing it, but realistically: they've got 18-year old cousins, uncles, friends, brothers, sisters, aunts, not to mention a few dumbassed parents who will do anything short of buying their kid a tank to be considered "cool" by youngsters. While it will cut back a bit, I'm sure that most will still get it somehow.

I'm sure it will only be a matter of time until another irresponsible parent sues some game designers because their precious child's mind was "warped by a game" they should not have had access to. There's millions to be had in placing blame elsewhere.
post #12 of 23
I am guessing since she is considering running for Pres she is trying to appeal to the bible belt people who voted for Bush for "moral" reasons. Cause yeah this isn't logical. I have a friend who is like the best father who loves those kinds of game, and he hides them from the kids. But yes, the stores are apparently way too lax in checking ID's etc, and kids are able to buy them too quickly.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by CommonOddity042
I'm sure it will only be a matter of time until another irresponsible parent sues some game designers because their precious child's mind was "warped by a game" they should not have had access to. There's millions to be had in placing blame elsewhere.
In the immortal words of "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut",
"....We must blame them and cause a fuss before somebody thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuus"
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by Zoe'n'MissKitty
In the immortal words of "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut",
"....We must blame them and cause a fuss before somebody thinks of blaming uuuuuuuuuuus"

(laughs) I have that movie and did not even think of that song.
post #15 of 23
I love Vice City for the same way I love hunting games, you can do the stuff an dhave fun without really harming anyone. I mean, who wouldnt want to gun down a prostitute in a video game? It doesnt hurt anyone! It lets you be evil without actually harming a real person. I personally kind of like the games where you are doing car races in the middle of cities, and you can run people over.

People wont like to admit it but sometimes they just feel like doing stuff like that, and its better for them to do it in a video game instead of real life.

I think hillary is being a bit stupid about this. parents buy stuff like this for their kids all the time. My friend when he was 16, his mom bought him miami for his computer...
post #16 of 23
I am with Hillary on this - children do not need to be exposed to this. There is enough nonsense on TV as it is - incl the news and they need to be innocent for as lomng as we can keep them that way~!
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by CyberKitten
I am with Hillary on this - children do not need to be exposed to this. There is enough nonsense on TV as it is - incl the news and they need to be innocent for as lomng as we can keep them that way~!
You're right - Children shouldn't be exposed to this. But the game is already rated M, and anyone under 17 is not supposed to be allowed to buy the game. The game was never meant for kiddies, and it isn't marketed to kiddies!

I'm sure Marge is right. This move is to help her political career and bid for President (I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying that the probability of her getting the Democratic nod is about 90%! ). While I agree with the idea of harsher penalties for stores who sell these types of games to kiddies (much in the same vein as selling alcohol or cigarettes to minors), I do not agree with any kind of investigation into the manufacturer of this game "for the wellbeing of the children". It isn't FOR children!
post #18 of 23
Oh everyone says someone is 90 percent in his early on. I really think other people will emerge. But she is running now and doing a lot of church visits and so on. I respect her in many ways, but am leary about her being the Dem candidate. I mean she is smart enough, able and all that, I just think it would be the same ol outcome as last time. And we'll end up with Frist or something (apparently he is the one Rove likes for next).

Anyways, well this is off topic but interesting stuff..
post #19 of 23
Well, I am a gamer but my area is RPGs, not that kind of game - I have yet to see this - if this is an easter egg, is it hard to access this scene? Yes, children should not access this, but it is rated M so what can Hilary do?

While I like Bill Clinton, I don't think Hilary should be president.
post #20 of 23
The evening news is as violent as it gets.
This cannot be too much worse.
post #21 of 23
I adore GTA San Andreas. After a long day of being a bleeding heart and worrying about the kitties, politics and the envioronment...

... I like to shoot people. A lot.

It is interesting that here the focus seems to be on sex (which as we all know is far more dangerous than guns) rather than violence (although don't get me started on the videogame violence = real violence issue).

I also agree - I love this game, but I wouldn't want my nieces playing it.
post #22 of 23
Is it just me but do liberal politicians tend to attack video game makers while conservative politicians tend to attack televisions/movies.
post #23 of 23
i find it funny when she probably watches adult rated movies herself and there is no difference, just like adult movies, this game is not intended for children.

most of the time they will find it's the parents buying the game for the kids, not the retailers selling it to underage children.

i have played this game and yes, it isn't moral but neither are a lot of movies i watch.

plenty of underagers watch movies they shouldn't either plus the internet has lots of stuff i'm sure kids look at even though they shouldn't, so before she attacks video games she needs to look at the bigger picture because video games aren't the worst thing in this world
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