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post #1 of 19
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Well, Scaredy is my cat that has been diagnosed with cystitis.
He had it for a month. The vet I took him to several times wasn't very helpful. Wouldn't prescribe anti-anxiety meds even though I specifically asked for it.
I took him to another vet and now he eats special Waltham SO food and is on anti anxiety meds. Well, now he is having loose stools. Is it from the food?
Or could it be from anti-anxiety meds (xanax)?
Yea, Scaredy has sensitive stomach as well as urinary problems ( I guess they frequently go together).
So, what am I to do? Could the new food not agree with him for some reason?
post #2 of 19
anti-anxiety meds is not usually how they treat cystitis. Limiting the dry food consumption, making sure the cat drinks lots of water and putting them on pain meds if they are showing lots of blood in the urine or extreme discomfort when in the litter pan is the way they usually go.
post #3 of 19
I wish I had a definate answer.. My ?? is what are the first five ingrediants in the food are you giving dry and wet ?? I will look up in my PDR for the rx anti axiety, be back later with human side affects
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by sharky
I wish I had a definate answer.. My ?? is what are the first five ingrediants in the food are you giving dry and wet ?? I will look up in my PDR for the rx anti axiety, be back later with human side affects
The five ingredients are chicken meal, rice, corn gluten meal, ground corn, chicken fat for waltham so. His wet food is the same he always ate -nutro natural choice pouches. I don't think wet food is the problem because that's what he had been eating before.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by hissy
anti-anxiety meds is not usually how they treat cystitis. Limiting the dry food consumption, making sure the cat drinks lots of water and putting them on pain meds if they are showing lots of blood in the urine or extreme discomfort when in the litter pan is the way they usually go.
The anti-anxiety meds work for him. He hadn't a relapse since he started on them. Before that he was suffering for at least a month.
Except now he got loose stool, but I don't think it's a side effect of xanax. Most likely it's the food?
post #6 of 19
havent got to my book yet but corn could casue an issue.. what was the dry food perviously??

wheat glutan in the pouches may also be issue
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by sharky
havent got to my book yet but corn could casue an issue.. what was the dry food perviously??

wheat glutan in the pouches may also be issue
He was eating Nutro Natural Choice before.
post #8 of 19
talk to the vet since natural choice has no ground whole corn ( corn ) that may be it ... did you slow ly mix over the foods ??
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by sharky
talk to the vet since natural choice has no ground whole corn ( corn ) that may be it ... did you slow ly mix over the foods ??
No.
Because it was the vet that actually switched him, not me. He stayed in there for few days as they tried to get a urine sample. They didn't get a sample but they were feeding him the waltham's all that time, so, when I brought him home, I felt there was no reason to introduce it gradually, as he already been eating it for several days.
Also, they put him on xanax too while he was in there, cause he was all shaking from fear and just freaking out. When they put him on xanax, he became much better and more freindly.
I will see how it goes, but if he keeps having loose stools, it sucks, because he has to be on special urinary food, and science cd has by-products, so I don't want to feed him that.
post #10 of 19
I understand maybe he needs some pro biotics( aka good bacteria) and for Rx waltham is very good ingrediant wise;... petsmart carries ben bac(sp?) and I use human multi bateria stuff
post #11 of 19
The thing is, he's been on this new food for a bit, correct? I wonder why the loose stools are starting now? Nausea, vomitting, diarhea or constipation are possible side effects of the xanax...I'd give the vet a call on Monday, perhaps they will recommend changing the doseage.
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by Pat & Alix
The thing is, he's been on this new food for a bit, correct? I wonder why the loose stools are starting now? Nausea, vomitting, diarhea or constipation are possible side effects of the xanax...I'd give the vet a call on Monday, perhaps they will recommend changing the doseage.
Maybe it is because of xanax.

I will see how he does, and if it doesn't go away, I will call the vet.
Altough they charge me for consultations, even if I don't bring the cat in.

I think he will just finish up his bottle of xanax and then I will stop and see how he does without it.
He hates being medicated, so I don't want to do it unless I have to.
post #13 of 19
I am not s vet but I do know how a cat reacts to anti anxiety medications can be quite different than a human so a PDR (in Canada we use the Canadian Pharacutical Society - CPS) directory as our bible of side effects, interactions, etc and PDR's many books usually for a quick check of symptoms.

But I have never heard of a vet treating cystitis with anti anxiety meds. I would ask your vet what the side effects of anti anxiety meds on a cat are. Here is a vetinfo site that does discuss some individua cases of loose stools but as you know, all cats are different:

http://www.vetinfo.com/cdiarrhea.htmlx

Did you introduce the new food slowly (giving some of the new stuff with increasing amounts, combined with similarly decreased amts of the regular stuff)? I have seen cats get stomach upsets and loose stools from starting a new diet - certain diets expecially - and you might talk to your vet about that.

Whatever the problem is, I do think you should talk to your vet. Is there another spefic reason the cat is on anti anxiety meds. While I like to research the info before I bring my cat to her vet - who is very good fortunately - I do know that she has much more knowledge and background than I will ever have on that subject. Please don't take this the wrong way but I wondered why you insisted on the anti anxiety meds? Did you think she was stressed more than anything and then discovered it was cystitis? Just curious - and trying to help you find a solution tho my guess is your vet will be able to help better than any info you discover online since s/he knows your cat's medical history.
post #14 of 19
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I haven't heard about vet treating cystitis with xanax.
But it can be treated with try ciclic antidepressants-amitriptyline, according to the information I found on the net. That's what I asked for, I have no idea really why they put my cat on xanax instead of that. But since it's working, I am sticking with it, at least for now.
But since cause of idiopatic cystitis can be stress (which I am pretty sure is with my cat), the anti-anxiety meds could be working by keeping his stress levels down.
He is a very anxious animal, as you can guess by his name-Scaredy.
As for me thinking he was stressed more than anything, no. I knew it was cystitis, he had it bad. He was peeing everywhere, he had blood in his urine, he peed at the vets, he peed on the vet, he peed on my bed, he peed all over the carpets. But I believe the cause of that cystitis was his constant anxiety and stress.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by CyberKitten
I am not s vet but I do know how a cat reacts to anti anxiety medications can be quite different than a human
Yes, I know that, and in fact, I didn't dig up my pdr, but went to an online site with full drug details..since someone asked what they were. While cats may not have the same side effects, I thought it was interesting to note that indeed, loose stools is a possible side effect for humans.
post #16 of 19
Please don't stop the Xanax when you finish the bottle. My kitty with cystitis, Willow, was on amitriptyline. I tried to taper her off too quickly, and she went bonkers (running all over the house, acting like something was after her). I have had similar experiences personally when I have stopped or switched medications. If you want to stop the Xanax, you will need to do it very, very gradually. Start with cutting the dose in half, then in thirds, then in quarters. I know it's hard to do with a small pill, but it's better than having your cat be uncomfortable going through withdrawl. You might try putting the pill in a small empty capsule (most pharmacies carry them) or wrapping his favorite food around it.

Did Scaredy have crystals? If so, then you may want to look into some of the other vet foods. If not, then you might talk to your vet about whether the special food is necessary. My other cat, Spot, has had many bouts of diarrhea, most of which were caused by food or antibiotics. He is currently diarrhea-free and on wet food only. He has also done well on the dry foods without corn or wheat. I would talk to your vet, if you can, about whether the Walthams is something he needs, and if so, what the options are for treating his diarrhea.
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by cloud_shade
Please don't stop the Xanax when you finish the bottle. My kitty with cystitis, Willow, was on amitriptyline. I tried to taper her off too quickly, and she went bonkers (running all over the house, acting like something was after her). I have had similar experiences personally when I have stopped or switched medications. If you want to stop the Xanax, you will need to do it very, very gradually. Start with cutting the dose in half, then in thirds, then in quarters. I know it's hard to do with a small pill, but it's better than having your cat be uncomfortable going through withdrawl. You might try putting the pill in a small empty capsule (most pharmacies carry them) or wrapping his favorite food around it.

Did Scaredy have crystals? If so, then you may want to look into some of the other vet foods. If not, then you might talk to your vet about whether the special food is necessary. My other cat, Spot, has had many bouts of diarrhea, most of which were caused by food or antibiotics. He is currently diarrhea-free and on wet food only. He has also done well on the dry foods without corn or wheat. I would talk to your vet, if you can, about whether the Walthams is something he needs, and if so, what the options are for treating his diarrhea.
How long did Willow stay on amitryptaline? I must say, even though I never heard of xanax being used to treat cystitis, it seems to work for Scaredy so far.
I am afraid if I quit it, Scaredy will get cystitis again.
As for crystals, the first vet I took him into said he didn't.
The second vet said he did. But Scaredy was there for a few days, and just stress itself can apparently lead to the formation of crystals in a cat.
As for the vet, they charge me for consultation, even if I don't bring the cat in. And I don't find these talks all that useful. So, I am not going to talk to her unless it's absolutely necessary.
post #18 of 19
She was on it for a few months. She's been off of it completely (I tapered over the last couple of weeks) for about a week now without any problems.

Since stress and anxiety can cause cystitis, that may be why the xanax is helping. It's too bad you don't have a vet who you trust and find helpful. It might be possible to stop the xanax (slowly of course) to see how Scaredy does. If the cystitis flares up again, you could try switching to amitriptyline. That medication has the advantage of anti-inflammatory properties as well as being an anti-depressant, so it works it two ways to help the cystitis.

If you decide to stick with the pills, I strongly recommend getting some small empty gelcaps. If you get them slightly wet, they slide down the cat's throat much more easily. Plus, the medication never touches the tongue, so it is less stressful and they aren't as likely to foam at the bitter taste. With Willow, I made it part of our bedtime routine.

Good luck with Scaredy!
post #19 of 19
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Well, Scaredy is off his meds.
He has been off the meds for a week now. I just stopped them, I didn't do it gradually, because the pill is so small as it is, and was already broken in 2, it was impossible to break it in 4 and still be able to pill him.
Scaredy retrerned to under the bed and that is where he spends most of his days. He does come out at night. As long as he doesn't pee everywhere, I don't care if he lives under the bed.
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