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post #1 of 34
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Well not to jump on the pundit box, but I do think I am pretty sure it's Gonzales. I mean as much as I don't care for Bush's policies, I do think he is loyal to friends, and stubborn about something he believes in.

We could do a lot worse unfortunately.
post #2 of 34
I really hope Bush takes this seriously and appoints someone like O'Conner. a moderate someone who will consider things on a case by case basis and not interject thier personal beliefs on public policy. But I think I'm being too oppitmistic. Honestly I'm scared of what's going to happen to my right to choose. I havea sinking feeling that the right to choose what I do with my body and reproductive health will be taken away from me and the thousands of women in this country.
post #3 of 34
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Originally Posted by Marge
Well not to jump on the pundit box, but I do think I am pretty sure it's Gonzales. I mean as much as I don't care for Bush's policies, I do think he is loyal to friends, and stubborn about something he believes in.

We could do a lot worse unfortunately.
What amazes me is just how anti-Gonzales the conservatives are! They are really attacking him, and he seemes pretty danged conservative to me. I know it has something to do with his record on abortion, but I'm not sure exactly what. Does he not support the criminalization of abortion?
post #4 of 34
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Originally Posted by esrgirl
What amazes me is just how anti-Gonzales the conservatives are! They are really attacking him, and he seemes pretty danged conservative to me. I know it has something to do with his record on abortion, but I'm not sure exactly what. Does he not support the criminalization of abortion?

Well he actually has been pretty moderate on abortion from what I have read. And affirmative action.

I just heard a Rumor Reinquist turned in his resignation too, but Bush won't announce it until he returns. So I am guessing it's Gonzales and some women, I hope not that psycho from CA who just got on the circuit, but could be.
post #5 of 34
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Originally Posted by Marge
I just heard a Rumor Reinquist turned in his resignation too,
That's the best news I've heard in ages (I hope its true)!
post #6 of 34
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Originally Posted by lotsocats
That's the best news I've heard in ages (I hope its true)!
Not official but the guy on Air America said his source said so. Yeah I won't miss him at all.
post #7 of 34
I'm a guy and I wish we could get an O'Connor clone appointed. I think she really helped th keep the Court from going off the deep end either way.
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Rehnquist silences retirement speculation


http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/14/re...lth/index.html

I liked Justice O'Connor. I hope Bush doesn't mess up this appointment.
post #9 of 34
Dang right it could be a lot worse

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0705/243396.html

Cindy
post #10 of 34
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Originally Posted by RoseHawke
Dang right it could be a lot worse

http://www.abc3340.com/news/stories/0705/243396.html

Cindy
Oh good lord! Heaven help us if THAT happens!

However, it won't. First, there is no way the Dems would let that nomination get through, and second, I'm sure there are enough GOPs who wouldn't let that one pass either. (They aren't ALL Right-Wing-Fundie-Nutjobs!)

I don't have a source for this because it was a story on the radio here, but they said that one of the rumored choices is a Colorado Supreme Court Justice, a woman, who although Republican has a very moderate record. Even Ken Salazar (D-CO) said that he would support her nomination because of her over 10 year record on the court. I really hope Bush is going to be realistic about this and nominate a moderate, because an extremist will never (and should never!) get through.
post #11 of 34
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Originally Posted by eburgess
I really hope Bush takes this seriously and appoints someone like O'Conner. a moderate someone who will consider things on a case by case basis and not interject thier personal beliefs on public policy.
Agreed 100%. You could never really predict where she'd stand on a vote because she never voted completely liberally or completely conservatively. She gave her serious job the respect it deserved and you know she didn't vote to play politics, but rather because she took the LAW seriously. I admire her greatly and I hope ( ) that her replacement will earn that same respect as well.
post #12 of 34
AP just broke that Bush will make an announcement tonight at 9:00 EST. The name most thrown around today is Edith Brown Clement from the 5th Circuit based in New Orleans. They say she is a "moderate conservative in the mould of Sandra Day O'Connor".

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/....ap/index.html
post #13 of 34
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Originally Posted by valanhb
AP just broke that Bush will make an announcement tonight at 9:00 EST. The name most thrown around today is Edith Brown Clement from the 5th Circuit based in New Orleans. They say she is a "moderate conservative in the mould of Sandra Day O'Connor".

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/07/....ap/index.html
This is exciting. I'm going to listen to the radio to find out, we should post our thoughts about it tomorrow.
post #14 of 34
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Apparently ABC is reporting they have a reliable source who says it is not Clement. Of course who knows! But it might just be Gonzales.
post #15 of 34
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Originally Posted by Marge
Apparently ABC is reporting they have a reliable source who says it is not Clement. Of course who knows! But it might just be Gonzales.
I guess we'll see, but if ABC is the only one reporting it (any news source for that matter!) I'll believe it when I see it. It may very well not be her, I just hope that he does choose a moderate to replace the outgoing moderate. And I'm sure he understands that anything other than a moderate has no chance of confirmation in this political climate. Also, Laura Bush has said that she would really like him to nominate another woman to replace O'Connor, and I think she holds a bit of sway.
post #16 of 34
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Originally Posted by valanhb
I guess we'll see, but if ABC is the only one reporting it (any news source for that matter!) I'll believe it when I see it. It may very well not be her, I just hope that he does choose a moderate to replace the outgoing moderate. And I'm sure he understands that anything other than a moderate has no chance of confirmation in this political climate. Also, Laura Bush has said that she would really like him to nominate another woman to replace O'Connor, and I think she holds a bit of sway.
Apparently Clement did have a secret meeting with Bush in the last couple of days. But also a report that Gonzales rushed an event in Maine yesterday and is back in Washington early, so it could be him.

This is really exciting, I am actually rushing home so I can see it on TV.
post #17 of 34
Looks like ABC did get the scoop on that one. CNN is now reporting the same thing. That's too bad, she seemed like a good choice from the limited information I saw on her.
post #18 of 34
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Interesting analysis by experts on Lehrer:

They say it's more about history to Bush than a woman or minority, i.e. areas where OConnor was a swing and changed things, they guess someone who is as Bush said he wants, a strong conservative like Scalia or Thomas. Clement might not fit that, so look more to very right on court.

It kind of makes sense, everyone loved Oconnor but she wasn't what they
thought she would be when appointed, she was one of "the guys", in the club (Goldwater supported her for instance, doubt he would now). Being a woman was second to that. She softened with age. Thomas was also one of the guys, not a minority so much as a conservative who happens to also be a minority.

Well we'll know in 2 hours!
post #19 of 34
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Looks like ABC did get the scoop on that one. CNN is now reporting the same thing. That's too bad, she seemed like a good choice from the limited information I saw on her.
Yeah, after listening to Lehrer it makes sense, I posted some of what they said. It's more about getting rid of the "swing" if you know what I mean.
post #20 of 34
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So much for Laura's pull...

It's what Lehrer hour said, it's about getting out the swing if you know what I mean. A white male conservative, how refreshing. Oh well, no real surprise.

for all you moderate repubs that voted for this man, you are seeing his real agenda in action now.
post #21 of 34
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I'm disappointed it'snot a woman but i am going to keep an open mind, but
I am sure there are groups chomping at the bit to get some things done.
Maybe there will be action on Roe, how weird.
post #22 of 34
Seems this has really caught everyone by surprise because there really isn't much information about him out yet. I've just heard that he is a well respected Judge, and was a well respected lawyer, and that he has a soft touch in the courtroom as a Judge. Even the left-leaning panelists agree that he is not an extremist. But there seem to be more questions tonight than answers.
post #23 of 34
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Seems this has really caught everyone by surprise because there really isn't much information about him out yet. I've just heard that he is a well respected Judge, and was a well respected lawyer, and that he has a soft touch in the courtroom as a Judge. Even the left-leaning panelists agree that he is not an extremist. But there seem to be more questions tonight than answers.
I saw some of the Lehrer special on him and he is respected-sounds reasonable at this point. Not a Bjork type of mess.
post #24 of 34
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Ok, this may sound out of left field, but I am glad he is slightly handsome.I am sick of these bitter bald white right wing men.
I sometimes sense they don't so much believe anything as are just pissed off at life, and not getting girls. And I am sorry..but I think that is one reason that many hated Clinton.

Anyways, the more I hear the more positive I feel about this guy. I am definitely keeping an open mind and want to watch/listen to his hearings.
post #25 of 34
As I said to my friend earlier, should I jump off a bridge now, or AFTER I need an abortion?

I mean that in kind of hypothetical, catch-al way, but it's something to consider.

I feel that many of the far-right conservatives now are too stubborn and hypocritcal to do any good for our nation. Beliefs like being anti-abortion (I don't call being anti-abortion being pro-life, personally. Being pro-life would entail being anti-death penalty, anti-war, anti-guns/weapons, vegan and an animal rights activist, which is a respectable position, though not my own) or anti gay marriage are fine to have, but not fine to impose on large populations. If you are Christian or whatever religion and your sacred text dictates that you should not have an abortion or not carry out homosexual realtionships, then by all means, follow your holy texts. I just don't think it's fair for people like that to expect the entire country to follow suit, when one of the best things about America is how diverse we are. You know yourself and your family and your beliefs community, but to try to tell someone completely different than you with completely different beliefs that they are wrong and you are right is completely unacceptable to me.

This is why I am worried about a more conservative judge being appointed. I, as a religious skeptic and a tree-hugging, vegetarian, anti-war, hairly legged liberal FEMINIST woman, am afraid that my personal belief system will be hijacked by the law. I think that there are a few things (like marriage and abortion) that I feel the governemnt has no hand in regulating. These are personal and religious decisions that people need to make based on their OWN backgrounds.
post #26 of 34
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a true conservative would turn marriage rights back to the states.

I don't see Roe being overturned in our lifetimes if ever. I mean come over and beat me up if wrong, but even with a conservative court I just don't see it, as Roberts said, it's the law of the land and once again, it would be turned over to states.

I dont' know, I am getting more and more conplacent about who is picked, once in there they act different, Souter was picked by Bush sr remember and he is always on the left now. OConnor would NEVER have been picked if they knew how liberal she would go, although in Reagans credit he knew she was moderate and pissed off the religious right by placing her, endangering his re-election, if the Dems hadn't picked someone as liberal as Mondale he would have been out.

Anyways, it will be ok. Personally I would worry more about the national debt and a moral crisis of lack of confidence in our President now. And our countries role in the world.

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Originally Posted by lionessrampant
As I said to my friend earlier, should I jump off a bridge now, or AFTER I need an abortion?

I mean that in kind of hypothetical, catch-al way, but it's something to consider.

I feel that many of the far-right conservatives now are too stubborn and hypocritcal to do any good for our nation. Beliefs like being anti-abortion (I don't call being anti-abortion being pro-life, personally. Being pro-life would entail being anti-death penalty, anti-war, anti-guns/weapons, vegan and an animal rights activist, which is a respectable position, though not my own) or anti gay marriage are fine to have, but not fine to impose on large populations. If you are Christian or whatever religion and your sacred text dictates that you should not have an abortion or not carry out homosexual realtionships, then by all means, follow your holy texts. I just don't think it's fair for people like that to expect the entire country to follow suit, when one of the best things about America is how diverse we are. You know yourself and your family and your beliefs community, but to try to tell someone completely different than you with completely different beliefs that they are wrong and you are right is completely unacceptable to me.

This is why I am worried about a more conservative judge being appointed. I, as a religious skeptic and a tree-hugging, vegetarian, anti-war, hairly legged liberal FEMINIST woman, am afraid that my personal belief system will be hijacked by the law. I think that there are a few things (like marriage and abortion) that I feel the governemnt has no hand in regulating. These are personal and religious decisions that people need to make based on their OWN backgrounds.
post #27 of 34
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Originally Posted by Marge

Anyways, it will be ok. Personally I would worry more about the national debt and a moral crisis of lack of confidence in our President now. And our countries role in the world.
I am definitely going to have to agree with you on concentrating on our country's role in the world. We have a responsibility to respect other countries more than we have, and this includes being respectful of and educated about other cultures, and not being so bomb-happy.

As far as Roe being turned back to the states, I don't really see that workng very well. You could have a conservative govt in Louisiana not allow a woman to have the procedure done, but a doctor in New York or Chicago would be allowed to do it. It then makes the issue and issue of race and class, and prevents solving the problem where it is needed: amongst low-income women, particularly, single low-income women. Also, you then enter in the issue of parental consent and minors being transported across state lines for the procedure. It makes it a much larger mess than some people believe it to be now.

Marriage, I think, should be completely up to a person's religious instituion of choice. The state has no right to deny anyone the rights and legal protections or a civil union, period. I think that marriage, as a word, is a religious and spiritual institution that the states should have no part in. I believe that the country should concentrate on civil unions for everyone and let the churches and couples decided on marriage personally.

My boyfriend, who is moderate and not budging in the least, is telling me the same thing about it being ok and Roe not being overturned. And, I mean, it's not just Roe that I'm worried about. Griswold, Lawrence v TX, there are a whole lot of very narrow court decisions that might be jeopordized, as well as new ones to be made. Hopefully, though, both of you are right!

Wow, i got a little off-topic. Didn't mean to hijack the thread...Oops...
post #28 of 34
My husband has been doing some digging into Judge Roberts rulings while he has been a judge in the last 2 years. He tends to rule in favor of big businesses and against civil rights. He actually voted against a 12 year old girl that was arrested for eating french fries on a train. The police officer arrested her, handcuffed her, threw her in the back of a police car and threw her in jail for several hours. The girl sued the police for excessive force and Roberts dissented in the opinion (he said the officer was right). Pretty pathetic. He also votes against environmental issues and he is clearly in favor of overturning Roe vs Wade. In his words: "Roe was wrongly decided and should be overruled".
post #29 of 34
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Originally Posted by Momofmany
He also votes against environmental issues and he is clearly in favor of overturning Roe vs Wade. In his words: "Roe was wrongly decided and should be overruled".
The quote about Roe v Wade was presented when he was a lawyer and representing the interests of his employers (I believe that was the Reagan administration). When asked during his confirmation (speaking for his own views, not those of a client) about Roe v Wade, that's when he made the statement that it has already been determined as the law of the land.
post #30 of 34
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Originally Posted by valanhb
The quote about Roe v Wade was presented when he was a lawyer and representing the interests of his employers (I believe that was the Reagan administration). When asked during his confirmation (speaking for his own views, not those of a client) about Roe v Wade, that's when he made the statement that it has already been determined as the law of the land.
Yeah I just don't see them overturning Roe, I mean I don't think we should be slaves to that fear. It's a part of life post 1960's America, and then what? Close all the clinics and know that girls are going to Mexico to get illegal ones? I just don't see it. Presidents will say they want to to get votes from the religious right but it's just a ploy.
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