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post #1 of 26
7/7/05 at 8:59am
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I am still in shock.

My sister and I were *just* talking about security issues in our public trans system. You can leave a back pack no problem.
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post #2 of 26
7/7/05 at 9:14am
The train bombings in Madrid didn't hit me like this has.

I will say this much...when we turned on the TV this morning as soon as I heard, I was so impressed with the British police and emergency services. It looked very organized.

All I can say is that these terrorists must be idiots. First, to think that attacking the US was ever a good idea, and to think that 9/11 would destroy us. Then to think that they could possibly disrupt the UK for long. As Rosehawk said in the other thread...Hitler & the Nazi's couldn't do it and lord knows they tried! And just where do they think we Americans GOT our resolve???
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post #3 of 26
7/7/05 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by valanhb
The train bombings in Madrid didn't hit me like this has.

I will say this much...when we turned on the TV this morning as soon as I heard, I was so impressed with the British police and emergency services. It looked very organized.

All I can say is that these terrorists must be idiots. First, to think that attacking the US was ever a good idea, and to think that 9/11 would destroy us. Then to think that they could possibly disrupt the UK for long. As Rosehawk said in the other thread...Hitler & the Nazi's couldn't do it and lord knows they tried! And just where do they think we Americans GOT our resolve???
Well, at least for me, I have more relatives in London than Madrid... and I've spent more time there and I love London... such a great place to be. So that's why what happened in London affected me more than Madrid...

You're right, the terrorists have to be idiots. I'll never understand how they can do that, blow up things, kill people and they say "yeah we did it". What's the point? To prove you can?
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post #4 of 26
7/7/05 at 9:31am
Coincidently I had to go to King Street Station in Seattle this morning to take my stepdaughter to the train. There was NO security whatsoever. Nadda, Nothing. There was one camera man there from one of the local news stations but that's it. I just don't get it.
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post #5 of 26
7/7/05 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by dicknleah
Coincidently I had to go to King Street Station in Seattle this morning to take my stepdaughter to the train. There was NO security whatsoever. Nadda, Nothing. There was one camera man there from one of the local news stations but that's it. I just don't get it.
That's like the transit system here.
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post #6 of 26
7/7/05 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by dicknleah
Coincidently I had to go to King Street Station in Seattle this morning to take my stepdaughter to the train. There was NO security whatsoever. Nadda, Nothing. There was one camera man there from one of the local news stations but that's it. I just don't get it.
That's scary. Our main train station has been crawling with security guards and police ever since 9/11. There are cameras all over the place, too. Still, I know it would be very easy for somebody to leave a bag in a train, subway, bus, etc..
There still seems to be some speculation that it was a suicide bomber on the bus in London.
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post #7 of 26
7/7/05 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by jcat
That's scary. Our main train station has been crawling with security guards and police ever since 9/11. There are cameras all over the place, too. Still, I know it would be very easy for somebody to leave a bag in a train, subway, bus, etc..
There still seems to be some speculation that it was a suicide bomber on the bus in London.
Ah gosh, I knew when the suicide attacks started its' the beginning of a new era.
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post #8 of 26
7/7/05 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by valanhb
The train bombings in Madrid didn't hit me like this has.

I will say this much...when we turned on the TV this morning as soon as I heard, I was so impressed with the British police and emergency services. It looked very organized.

All I can say is that these terrorists must be idiots. First, to think that attacking the US was ever a good idea, and to think that 9/11 would destroy us. Then to think that they could possibly disrupt the UK for long. As Rosehawk said in the other thread...Hitler & the Nazi's couldn't do it and lord knows they tried! And just where do they think we Americans GOT our resolve???
I got much more hit by this than Spain too, sure it makes it more real to us that it's a country we all find farmiliar even if we haven't been there we have read Dickens etc.
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post #9 of 26
7/7/05 at 10:49am
I was very un-nerved when i was watching the early morning news today. This made my heart just sink. But they have handled it very very well. And bless them.
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post #10 of 26
7/7/05 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by ScamperFarms
I was very un-nerved when i was watching the early morning news today. This made my heart just sink. But they have handled it very very well. And bless them.
The UK has been expecting this to happen, and rehearsing for large-scale attacks. Also, after decades of IRA bombings, or the threat thereof, I think our "cousins" have become very resilient. Kudos to the police and emergency services, and to all those who helped the injured.
Madrid was far worse in terms of victims, but I know what many of you are saying - it makes a difference when you're somewhat familiar with a city from visits there, and/or have friends who live there. Having used the Tube, and never without claustrophobia (it's so deep!), I can only imagine the dread people trapped there felt.
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post #11 of 26
7/7/05 at 12:19pm
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the timing is odd to me, I mean why not do this before the election like they did in Spain? I mean these guys are power hungery that would have had more impact. So it makes me think it's more random than it appears. I mean yes orchestrated, but organized quickly.
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post #12 of 26
7/7/05 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Marge
the timing is odd to me, I mean why not do this before the election like they did in Spain? I mean these guys are power hungery that would have had more impact. So it makes me think it's more random than it appears. I mean yes orchestrated, but organized quickly.
I don't remember how long reports of the G-8 summit have been made in the media, but certainly it's been several weeks, and a lot of attention has been focused on the conference because of the hype surrounding Live8.
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post #13 of 26
7/7/05 at 12:50pm
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Originally Posted by jcat
I don't remember how long reports of the G-8 summit have been made in the media, but certainly it's been several weeks, and a lot of attention has been focused on the conference because of the hype surrounding Live8.
Well I know it's at G8 timebut seems before the election would have had more impact.
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post #14 of 26
7/7/05 at 12:59pm
Like Tricia said we have expected something to happen at some point, and it had to take something as horrible as 9/11 to step up on security.

I've never seen so many police at my train station tonight, but it made me feel more at ease
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post #15 of 26
7/7/05 at 1:00pm
Was there some rhyme or reason to 9/11? There were no elections around that time. No major events that I remember. They just did it to do it. I'm really thinking that Madrid was an anomoly, that it actually had a purpose to the timing. Otherwise they just kill to kill for no real good reason. G8 Summit is as good of a reason as any...
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post #16 of 26
7/7/05 at 1:04pm
We were saying at work today how this seems to have been planned very well, and how they must have known that most of the security would have been stepped up at the G8, which left the rest of the country as a sitting target.
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post #17 of 26
7/7/05 at 1:30pm
I still can't believe it in ways. You see it on the news and hear it on the radio and still it's kind of surreal when it happens. I was the same way about 9-11 though. I just don't understand the desire to kill innocent people. I can understand hitting government and military targets, but to go and bomb public transit? I just makes no sense to me at all. What statement does that make at all other than Hi, I'm an unfeeling idiot that would rather cause harm to civilians that take it up with the government that I disagree with. It breaks my heart to think that there are families that lost someone today simply due to the hatred that some hold for Western countries.

At any rate, it's good to hear that the police are stepping up efforts. It's a spooky feeling to get attacked out of seemingly no where even if you have been preparing for it.
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post #18 of 26
7/7/05 at 1:36pm
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I see your point now, it just seems like it's odd somehow.

I know with 9/11 it was just when they were ready and it was a clear day....
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post #19 of 26
7/7/05 at 1:39pm
Our world is so screwed up. So much pain & sorrow.
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post #20 of 26
7/7/05 at 2:04pm
Sadly some good did come out of 9-11. law enforcement has prepared for attacks such as this, both in Britian, but in this country as well. From what I have heard, law enforcement did a good job and got people to hospitals and where else they needed to go. I feel for the families of the victums and all citizens of Britian. I remember how frightening it was in the moments after the 9-11 attacks started. We know exactly how you feel right now but remember that your country will pull through and move on eventually, but never forget these tragic events. Hugs to all British citizens, We are here for you!!
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post #21 of 26
7/7/05 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by rosiemac
We were saying at work today how this seems to have been planned very well, and how they must have known that most of the security would have been stepped up at the G8, which left the rest of the country as a sitting target.
Right that has been discussed on Lehrer hour today, it wasn't a statement against G8 so much as a the security is distracted. And also to get the lime light instead of G8.
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post #22 of 26
7/8/05 at 4:19am
It strikes me that the death toll could have been a lot higher in London yesterday. I think the reason it's not higher is that we do have emergency services that are not only top quality, but extremely well-prepared, and as Susan said, trained to the nth degree for just this kind of thing. Thus they were able to respond quicker than quick, and effectively. I've heard the first hour after an incident described as the 'golden hour', during which lives are saved or lost depending on how quickly paramedics etc arrive. Thank God for the professionalism of these rescue people.

Also, the bomb that exploded on the bus - this was the last of the explosions. It seems odd that there should be a bomb on the bus - does anyone else think that the bomber was foiled by the quick thinking of the tube staff? They shut the system down so quickly, maybe the bomber was late arriving, couldn't get on the tube so set it off on a bus?

Whatever, I really hope and pray that the injured (over 700!) are recovering.

Sue
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post #23 of 26
7/8/05 at 4:39am
According to sky news the death toll is up to 50

Since 9/11 the money spent on security etc... has shot up from £950 million to £1.5 billion, with a budgeted £2.1 billion by 2007-2008.

Now that i don't mind my taxes going towards!!
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post #24 of 26
7/8/05 at 5:59am
My heart go out to the injured people & the bereaved families of those who were killed in these terrible bombings.
I know that this is a very challenging time for you.
Please keep posting so that we know how you are doing.
I am in California in body but with you in spirit.
Lei
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post #25 of 26
7/8/05 at 7:21am
Madrid really bothered me immensely b/c I had been there just a few years prior...but this has bothered me worse, mostly because of our many British TCS friends.
I am so proud of your nation right now. Your resolve is awe-inspiring.
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post #26 of 26
7/8/05 at 6:36pm
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Originally Posted by millyanddaisy
It strikes me that the death toll could have been a lot higher in London yesterday.
I agree.

I was amazed that somewhere as densley populated as London in a rush hour could result in so few casualities (on balance).

You would have thought that they would have done something a little bigger or something that cased more damage.

plus half the people killed werent even British. There was a large number of chinese, australian, african etc
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