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post #1 of 32
7/6/05 at 12:02pm
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How about some :censor::censor::censor::censor::censor::censor::censor:' COMPASSION for an abused woman! Is that too much to ask?!?!?!
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post #2 of 32
7/6/05 at 12:13pm
Most landlords that I have encountared are money hungry they get her out of the apt. and raise the rent higher for the new tenents. I wonder if she could sue this landlord?
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post #3 of 32
7/6/05 at 12:20pm
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This type of thing happens almost every day. I know various domestic violence coalitions get very active when things like this happen and step in to help the survivor in any way possible.
I hope this goes to court. SHE is not the one who endangered the other residents- her psychotic ex took care of that part!!!
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post #4 of 32
7/6/05 at 12:21pm
I can't even imagine how they could do this. It isn't like she said, hey, shoot your gun and lets make lots of noise *wooooohoooooo* (which is actually something that I've had happen at apartments before! Including the wooohoooing). This woman is a survivor, she should be commended for fighting for her life. I can't believe they would punish her like this. Obviously they would have prefered her dead.
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post #5 of 32
7/6/05 at 12:22pm
And another thing- what if her apartment had been broken into and she struggled with the burgler/rapist. Would they have kicked her out then? The woman across the hall from me had her door kicked in by a burgler- they certainly didn't charge or or kick her out and we have the same stipulation in our lease.
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post #6 of 32
7/6/05 at 12:27pm
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You bring up a very VERY good point about what if a burglar/rapist broke in.
What these people fail to realize is that she was trapped in a vicious cycle and was probably too scared to tell him to go away and leave her alone!
I hope this evil landlord and the company that manages that apartment complex rot. I found their website and am contemplating whether or not to call and give them a piece of my mind. Hey, it's advocating!!
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post #7 of 32
7/6/05 at 1:23pm
Not that this is any way advocating the building manager's perspective, but I am sure this wasn't the first time there was a noise/obnoxious behaviour problem.

I am willing to bet that this sort of occurrance was frequent for the better half of that two years.

Again, I think what they did was heavy handed and terribly uncompassionate but I try to see all sides.

What if the man was continually threatening her neighbours, scaring residents, etc?
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post #8 of 32
7/6/05 at 1:42pm
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
What if the man was continually threatening her neighbours, scaring residents, etc?
Then they should have called the police! This woman should not be penalized because she was with an abusive man. This is doing nothing but revictimizing a woman who has already been through too much.
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post #9 of 32
7/6/05 at 2:06pm
Well she did break the lease agreement. And the landlord is responsible for the safty and secruity of her other tenets. I don't agree with it but it's the facts
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post #10 of 32
7/6/05 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by eburgess
Well she did break the lease agreement. And the landlord is responsible for the safty and secruity of her other tenets. I don't agree with it but it's the facts
I agree with that, but wouldn't it be best for the landlord to get a restraining order against the guy? My old landlord had to do just that with some friends of the tenent who lived above us. He stabbed a guy right outside the house!! If that guy ever came back he would be arrested immediately. I don't know if this apartment complex has security or not, some do and some don't- but if it did it would be fairly easy for the landlord to see if this guy came around. At school there was a person who had attacked a student, and another person who was a former student and still friends with some students. Both people were banned from setting foot on school property- their pictures were hanging up for others to recognize. If we were to see either of these individuals we were to call the police.

There just is no saying who may be abused or attacked- stalked, robbed, raped, etc. It could happen to any one of us. I don't think the victim should be singled out- I do think the perpetrator should be held accoutable for disturbing the community and banned from the property. If it worked for the three people I mentioned, it could very well work for this guy as well.
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post #11 of 32
7/6/05 at 2:39pm
True the victum shouldn't be punished for being attacked but the landlord could be sued himself because "failure to provide a safe enviroment" for his tenats. I think he's just protecting himself.
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post #12 of 32
7/6/05 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by eburgess
Well she did break the lease agreement. And the landlord is responsible for the safty and secruity of her other tenets. I don't agree with it but it's the facts
She was a victim of a crime.
She didn't break the agreement intentionally. I think it's an outrage.
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post #13 of 32
7/6/05 at 3:36pm
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Originally Posted by elizwithcat
She was a victim of a crime.
She didn't break the agreement intentionally. I think it's an outrage.
Intentionally or not, she still broke the lease. So it's understandable that the land lord would evict her. I never said it was the right thing to do. She could try to challenge her eviction, she might have a chance at winning given the circumstances. But she did know this guy was a threat, wasn't he stalking her?? Of course you don't expect to get shot, if people could do that I think the crime rate would be alot lower. The way it goes around here with my land lord, if you or your guests are disruptive in any way for any reason, it is grounds for eviction. Like I said before, it may not be right but the land lord has to protect the other people living in his building(s)
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post #14 of 32
7/6/05 at 3:43pm
Judging from my history in apartments, there has to be more to this than this one incident. If not, then the landlord is an @$$.

In our last place, some kids moved in upstairs. I think the oldest was 17, grandma signed the lease for him. Even with CONSTANT complaints from us and other neighbors of all night parties, underage drinking, doing drugs, etc. it still took them over 2 months to get them out. The guys below us in our current apartment had the cops called on their parties at least a couple times, and again multiple noise complaints from the tenants. They were there for a year and a half. Now, maybe CO has some stringent laws about eviction, I don't know for sure, but I know that clause is in our lease too.

So either there is more to the story than was in the newspaper, or the landlords are really serious jerks. But I know they have to follow protocol, especially if it is one of the national management/complex owning corporations.
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post #15 of 32
7/6/05 at 4:15pm
I would suggest you retain an attorney to protect your interests in this matter, and the attorney's fees could possibly be paid from the settlement of damages for what your landlord has already done to you, IMO.

Leonard
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post #16 of 32
7/6/05 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
This type of thing happens almost every day. I know various domestic violence coalitions get very active when things like this happen and step in to help the survivor in any way possible.
I hope this goes to court. SHE is not the one who endangered the other residents- her psychotic ex took care of that part!!!

"Stop Family Violence" does seem to be involved now. Here's an excerpt of another article.
The incident created some safety concerns for other residents at Liberty Crossing Apartments.

"In this case the victim was attacked by someone with whom she had an ongoing relationship and had invited onto our property," Piche said. "While we empathize with her situation, her guest's actions were not only a breach of her lease, but more importantly, they endangered the lives of every other innocent person in the area."

According to the lease, Thomas and her guests cannot disturb or "threaten the rights, comfort, health, safety or convenience of others (including agents and employees) in or near the apartment community, disrupting our business operations."

Despite any hard feelings Thomas may have because of the eviction, Piche said, she is doing what she can to help Thomas.

"As such, though we truly regret the difficulty she has been through, it is in the best interests of everyone involved that she no longer resides at our property and we are working with her to resolve this issue as soon as
possible," Piche said.

http://www.stopfamilyviolence.org/oc...er=12&page=146

I fully understand that the other people in the building do not want to have a person with violent friends living there and endangering people. But to break a lease based solely on this one incident should be illegal. Is the rule to be that if you are attacked and shot by a stranger you can live there, but if you know the person you cannot?

And if there were previous incidents, they should all be documented, and the lady can discuss it in court. But the offender was a corrections officer, and she was a case manager at the department of corrections. While that doesn't mean she was a peaceful tenant, or he was a gentle man...it shows they had some education and held jobs!

I think it is outrageous.
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post #17 of 32
7/6/05 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by eburgess
Intentionally or not, she still broke the lease. So it's understandable that the land lord would evict her. I never said it was the right thing to do. She could try to challenge her eviction, she might have a chance at winning given the circumstances. But she did know this guy was a threat, wasn't he stalking her?? Of course you don't expect to get shot, if people could do that I think the crime rate would be alot lower. The way it goes around here with my land lord, if you or your guests are disruptive in any way for any reason, it is grounds for eviction. Like I said before, it may not be right but the land lord has to protect the other people living in his building(s)
She was a victim of a crime.
There is no mention in the article that the guy was previosly violent towards her. It's absurd to evict her because she was attacked by this guy.
I realize lanlords want their tenants protected but considering she was one of the tenants, I fail to understand why she has to be evicted just because she was a crime victim.
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post #18 of 32
7/6/05 at 5:38pm
I guess I have an uncanny ablility to see both sides of an issue.
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post #19 of 32
7/6/05 at 5:52pm
I think the point most of us are trying to make is that violence can happen to anyone. Kicking her out won't stop future incidents from happening at that complex. Restraining orders worked in three cases involving violence at my apartment building, and at my school. If it can work there it can work elsewhere. Kicking her out does nothing to address the future problem of violence. It will happen with someone else. Seeing both sides of the issue is great, but not addressing the problem of violence serves no one. If something works, do it.
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post #20 of 32
7/6/05 at 9:11pm
I feel very sorry for this woman being shot at and nearly killed by her former boyfriend. But, I suspect there is more to this story. Many victims of domestic violence can not or will not get help when they need it, they continue to put themselves right back into violent situations. That bugs me, especially if kids are involved.

I'm not a lawyer, but if I were, I would dispute the property management's assertion that the suspect was her "guest". They might be able to prove that she let him in (and I think she probably did ), but just because the suspect was welcome as a guest initially doesn't mean that his "welcome" status was permanent or irrevokable. I would say he lost that status right about the time he pulled the gun and started shooting.
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post #21 of 32
7/6/05 at 9:22pm
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Originally Posted by esrgirl
I think the point most of us are trying to make is that violence can happen to anyone. Kicking her out won't stop future incidents from happening at that complex. Restraining orders worked in three cases involving violence at my apartment building, and at my school. If it can work there it can work elsewhere. Kicking her out does nothing to address the future problem of violence. It will happen with someone else. Seeing both sides of the issue is great, but not addressing the problem of violence serves no one. If something works, do it.
I'm not talking about violance I'm talking about the issue at hand, did she violate her lease or not. According to her lease she is responsible for the actions of her guests. I think gun shots qualify a a breach of a lease. It's not like she is the first person to be evicted under these circumstances. Yes I'm sorry she got hurt but her landlord feels she broke her lease agreement and there for qualifies for eviction.
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post #22 of 32
7/7/05 at 5:05am
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Originally Posted by lakeriedog
Many victims of domestic violence can not or will not get help when they need it, they continue to put themselves right back into violent situations. That bugs me, especially if kids are involved.
You are very right. Many survivors (I hate the word "victim") of domestic violence stay in the relationship for many reasons. Most often, it out of FEAR of what the person would do to them should they break up. This is a perfect example of that. She broke up with him, he couldn't accept that, so he came back to shoot her. THIS is why so many people stay in these relationships. Lord knows it is why (among other reasons) I stayed in mine for longer than I should have. Many people are SO fearful of their abusers that they are convinced that the available help will not be enough to save them. My guess is there was already abuse in the relationship prior to this (actually, I'm about 99.9999% sure of that) and she was probably terrified of what he would do to her if she didn't let him come back 'round. That fear is a powerful thing. Yes, she probably knew all about protective orders from her job, doesn't mean that one would have worked. They can be effective sometimes, but they are just pieces of paper- not bulletproof. I had a client who, along with her baby, was shot after getting a protective order. Thankfully, the jerk used a .22 and both mother and baby survived .

What this whole thing smacks of is VICTIM BLAMING (or survivor blaming, using my terminology). It's all the survivor's fault, so she must be punished in this way .

About their jobs: he was a corrections officer. From studies I have read and from my own personal experience working with DV survivors, there is a high correlation between abuse and persons in jobs such as law enforcement and the military. Why? Because people who commit acts of domestic violence do so because they seek power and control. This is also why many people (though not ALL, I know) are attracted to jobs where they may carry guns or weild power, such as policework or military. I don't want to offend anyone with that statement b/c I know many WONDERFUL people in both the military and law enforcement who would never lay a hand on their partner, but the incidents of abuse among people in those professions are higher than those in the general population. I'll try to look for some stats on that later to back up this statement.
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post #23 of 32
7/7/05 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
Then they should have called the police! This woman should not be penalized because she was with an abusive man. This is doing nothing but revictimizing a woman who has already been through too much.
Maybe the police had been called numerous times.
This is one thing we don't know.
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post #24 of 32
7/7/05 at 11:00am
I think this his horrible. Yes she was in breach of her lease, but this is circumstances beyond her control! I mean come on? A women gets shot, and your going to kick her out. I love the
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"As such, though we truly regret the difficulty she has been through, it is in the best interests of everyone involved that she no longer resides at our property and we are working with her to resolve this issue as soon as
Give me a break. Its not like she jumped around saying SHOOT ME SHOOT ME!

*sighs* this is horrible if you ask me. and its reasons like this many women DONT come forward for abuse and such.
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post #25 of 32
7/7/05 at 11:15am
amen!!

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Originally Posted by ugaimes
You bring up a very VERY good point about what if a burglar/rapist broke in.
What these people fail to realize is that she was trapped in a vicious cycle and was probably too scared to tell him to go away and leave her alone!
I hope this evil landlord and the company that manages that apartment complex rot. I found their website and am contemplating whether or not to call and give them a piece of my mind. Hey, it's advocating!!
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post #26 of 32
7/7/05 at 12:37pm
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Originally Posted by esrgirl
I agree with that, but wouldn't it be best for the landlord to get a restraining order against the guy?
My understanding of "restrainign orders" is that they aren't worth much if the guy really means to do harm. Ask a couple of the women in the Toronto area (oops sorry, can't - they were already killed by ex's with restraining orders against them).

I feel bad for this woman, but the landlord does have an obligation to his other tenants. If I were one of the other tenants I would want to be sure my environment was safe. I guess that makes me selfish but so be it.
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post #27 of 32
7/7/05 at 4:17pm
I an acquainted with this woman. She was a police officer in the town where I live, and she was a quarter behind me when I was in school. She seems to be a very decent sort, and she had moved to get away from an abusive ex, and also dropped out of school. I heard this from a mutual friend. The guy that shot her was probably not invited to her home.
I understand the landlord wanting to protect himself and his tenants, but since they caught the guy, it is unlikely that he will return.
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post #28 of 32
7/8/05 at 7:26am
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2
I understand the landlord wanting to protect himself and his tenants, but since they caught the guy, it is unlikely that he will return.
Absolutely. This guy is going away for a LONG time. Threat resolved. So why kick her out? All it does is revictimize this poor woman.
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post #29 of 32
7/9/05 at 8:21pm
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2
I an acquainted with this woman. She was a police officer in the town where I live, and she was a quarter behind me when I was in school. She seems to be a very decent sort, and she had moved to get away from an abusive ex, and also dropped out of school. I heard this from a mutual friend. The guy that shot her was probably not invited to her home.
I understand the landlord wanting to protect himself and his tenants, but since they caught the guy, it is unlikely that he will return.
How sad. So, she moved from one abusive relationship right into another?
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post #30 of 32
7/9/05 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by Yosemite
My understanding of "restrainign orders" is that they aren't worth much if the guy really means to do harm. Ask a couple of the women in the Toronto area (oops sorry, can't - they were already killed by ex's with restraining orders against them).

I feel bad for this woman, but the landlord does have an obligation to his other tenants. If I were one of the other tenants I would want to be sure my environment was safe. I guess that makes me selfish but so be it.
He has an obligation to other tenants, but the guy have been arrested for what he had done. And with that woman being all shot up with bullets in her, I doubt she will be dating up a storm any time soon. So, there is no danger to the tenants.
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