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8 years until Wild Cats are extinct?

post #1 of 19
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....and the extinction is the goal?

I've stated before that I don't care for Big Cat Rescue [f.k.a. Wildlife on Easy Street], I've had my own personal reasons, not much that I could show to everyone. I found something new today.

When I say certain Organizations are set out to legislate mandatory extinction, I am not overstating the truth. [B.C.R. is affiliated with T.A.O.S., an association of such orgs]

B.C.R. has such a plan stated on their site, and is off to quite a successful start.

http://www.bigcatrescue.org/20yearplan.htm
[Note for me the link only seems to open correctly in Internet Explorer]

Specifically, look at 2012, and 2025.

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  • By 2012, most species will be extinct in the wild.
  • By 2025, most captive animals are extinct.

Organizations like B.C.R. do not care about animals, they care about control.

Why do we allow such Organizations to thrive, let alone exist?

Spotz

ps. T.A.O.S.'s website is here, with a listing of their affiliates [http://www.taosanctuaries.org/about/index.htm]
post #2 of 19
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post #3 of 19
OMGoosh... What can be done to stop them
post #4 of 19
I'm sorry, but what can be done to stop them from what? Passing legislation against owning exotic animals? No matter what you feel about it, passing legislation is not illegal. If you don't like it you can write various political members with your opinion.

You've significantly paraphrased what they said on that page.

You've accused TAOS (a non-profit that seeks to accredit Sanctuaries) and its members of all being terrible organizations much like I've heard others accuse all exotic pet owners of being terrible.

I remain more angry against those destroying wild animals and their habitats than responsible sanctuaries.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by eatrawfish
I'm sorry, but what can be done to stop them from what? Passing legislation against owning exotic animals? No matter what you feel about it, passing legislation is not illegal. If you don't like it you can write various political members with your opinion.

You've significantly paraphrased what they said on that page.

You've accused TAOS (a non-profit that seeks to accredit Sanctuaries) and its members of all being terrible organizations much like I've heard others accuse all exotic pet owners of being terrible.

I remain more angry against those destroying wild animals and their habitats than responsible sanctuaries.
Absolutely...but TAOS is nothing more than what I have represented it to be. I merely scratched the surface to keep things somewhat simple and to get the point across.

I do argue against unnecessary legislation....there are groups that do their best to fight orgs like B.C.R. but much like PETA or HSUS, TAOS sanctuaries also have an established propoganda spiel, which is very effective in appealing at a surface level to the vast majority. It doesn't help that there is so much legislative BS going on, that few of the voting members even have a chance to review all of the legislation they are required to vote on. Instead relying on their staffers to advise them on what each issue means. Even then, they often work with other legislators to garner support for their legislation ['Scratch my back, I'll scratch yours']. So even when they get decent information from their staffers [who by the way are the ones who filter and catalog virtually all the input from the public sector], their vote is often influenced by other things also. This needs to be addressed also.

The fact that these orgs can publish such a blatent plan without any ramifications is just an example of how much blind support these groups are getting. The plan I linked to is clearly marked as a plan to end the existance of B.C.R., and the means proposed are nothing short of barbaric.

What needs to change isn't the TAOS, or PETA or HSUS, but rather the legal shelters afforded to such groups. We need to stop allowing orgs to exist for the sole purpose of removing rights of citizens. With TAOS the target is very specific...Exotic Cats....with many other orgs, the target is much larger...pets of any kind. Either way, it is no good. Not for the majority of responsible owners out there, and definately not for the animals.

Unlike TAOS, I am not convinced that wild animals will inevietably cease to exist in the wild, however if things don't change soon, this mass extinction will indeed happen. Sadly very few of the animals threatened reside in the United States, or in other countries that can easily afford to protect these animals and their native habitats. This only compounds the problem, however orgs like WWF have made tremendous progress in countries that could not otherwise afford to protect their animals, so it isn't anywhere near impossible...it only seems that way frequently.

I would love to see both captive and wild populations thrive, short term, the captive populations have a better chance at thriveing than do their wild breathren, however if we as a species can work together and help protect and reclaim existing natural habitats, wild populations will thrive also.

Orgs such as members of TAOS do not concern themselves with the well being of wild populations at all, for that matter, they only concern themselves with the well being of captive animals as it suits their definition of "Well Being". They would rather see these animals become extinct than be held in a captive or wild environment.

B.C.R.'s plan makes this extremely clear, paraphrased or not.

Spotz
post #6 of 19
TAOS is aimed at the extinction of Cats?

The Elephant Sanctuary in Tennesse is a member of TAOS, I've yet to see them attempt to enact any legislation attempting to destroy the existance of Wild Cats. I'm going to guess that the bird sanctuaries are not hot on it either.

I'm not going to get into an arguement about PETA or HSUS since that is not what this is about.

What should the ramifications for such a plan be? Should non-profits not be allowed free speech?

Of course the member of TAOS don't concern themselves with wild animals. I think far too many non-profits try to do everything and instead fall apart. I would not give money to a sanctuary that devoted a large amount of it's time and money to animals not within their care.
post #7 of 19
Well, I just read the link you provided. I see nothing in there talking about the extinction of cats in the wild, just "captive" animals. Besides, some of their premises are just laughable. Their plan won't work because they simply rely too much on an compliant (as in: Take our word for it, you don't have to educate yourself!) and compassionate public. Won't happen.

For instance:

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(From 2007) The public will be educated about the fact that all exotic cats spray so that the market for them dries up.
If that were the case, we wouldn't have an issue with male domestics not being neutered. We all know that intact male domestics spray, but that doesn't mean that either the "market" for them has dried up, or that people not involved in a breeding program who don't want their kitty to spray all get them neutered.

This one too just cracked me up:

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(From 2012) Big Cat Rescue will use its enormous supporter base and internationally known name to expose zoos for the prisons they are.
Enormous support base? From an Animal Planet TV show? Gimme a break. PETA has been at it with huge publicity for many, many years. They can't get their "master plan" through - not in the minds of most people nor in the legislature.
post #8 of 19
I didn't see the part about the extinction of big cats in the wild, either.
post #9 of 19
I know this is a very hotly contested debate among cat lovers, so I'll just say briefly: I've been to BCR, I've given them donations, and I will continue to do so.
post #10 of 19
I'm afraid I didn't see what you were talking about, in fact, it seems that what is proposed would help the big boys rather than harm them.

Perhaps it would harm those who wish to incarcerate the big ones for their own selfish reasons, and making a pet out of the exotic is NOT one of the reasons, for I have never heard of an exotic being domesticated to the point of, say, a DSH, and isn't having a loving pet to interact with the whole thing about having a cat ?

Simply keeping something penned up and being able to say, "I have an X" is a poor reason and smacks of something other than loving interaction between cat and person.

Leonard.
post #11 of 19
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Enormous support base? From an Animal Planet TV show? Gimme a break. PETA has been at it with huge publicity for many, many years. They can't get their "master plan" through - not in the minds of most people nor in the legislature.
Oh yes they do!! That is why we are RAPIDLY losing our rights to own exotic animals. Every year more legislation is introduced and these ban laws are one of the big reasons these sanctuaries are filling up. I trust no AR groups. They are bad news
post #12 of 19
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat
Oh yes they do!! That is why we are RAPIDLY losing our rights to own exotic animals. Every year more legislation is introduced and these ban laws are one of the big reasons these sanctuaries are filling up. I trust no AR groups. They are bad news

can i ask you a question......are your kits and big kits happy?...are they taken care of?...do they recieve the care and needs and dietary supplemnts needed for cats of there size???

if you answered yes to all of these...I really dont see a probelm with "guardianship" of these beautiful animals......

I do not pretend to know ANYTHING about this subject...but it seems to me if the animals needs, feelings, and happiness are taken into concideration....i just can't find an issue with it......

i would assume most big kit owners become "gaurdians" while the big kits are still little kits.....I really dont see the issue...a happy life is a happy life.....

excuse my intrution into this topic...i really shouldnt have butted in when i know nothing about it...but you guys got my 2 cents anyway.......
post #13 of 19
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can i ask you a question......are your kits and big kits happy?...
Yes
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are they taken care of?...
You bet they are
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do they recieve the care and needs and dietary supplemnts needed for cats of there size???
Without a doubt
post #14 of 19
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat
Yes You bet they are Without a doubt

So I guess it is there plan to take boris, amber and the rest of the big kits away from you......

yes I am sure that would be sooo much better...ya know rip em away from thier families....from eachother........yeah that makes sence....(((sarcasm)))

any petition that needs to be signed to end this foolishness....you send it my way

alright so you guys got 4 cents...ooops
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by Nebula11
So I guess it is there plan to take boris, amber and the rest of the big kits away from you......

yes I am sure that would be sooo much better...ya know rip em away from thier families....from eachother........yeah that makes sence....(((sarcasm)))

any petition that needs to be signed to end this foolishness....you send it my way

alright so you guys got 4 cents...ooops
I will keep you in mind when petitions needs to be signed By the way, I see you are from Salem Ma. My wife and I visted there during our honeymoon. We were out in Cape Cod and thought a visit to Salem would be cool. I took some really great pictures there, especially the ones in black and white. We want to come back out for another visit some day Of course, we would need to find a big kitty sitter
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by AmberThe Bobcat
I will keep you in mind when petitions needs to be signed By the way, I see you are from Salem Ma. My wife and I visted there during our honeymoon. We were out in Cape Cod and thought a visit to Salem would be cool. I took some really great pictures there, especially the ones in black and white. We want to come back out for another visit some day Of course, we would need to find a big kitty sitter

Ever been during halloween...its wild down here then.....
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by Nebula11
Ever been during halloween...its wild down here then.....
Nope, but I have heard it is crazy.
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by Nebula11
So I guess it is there plan to take boris, amber and the rest of the big kits away from you......

If that is true it more then sucks!!
post #19 of 19
Well, no one is taking my cats, but the AR groups are working very hard to put a stop to ALL exotic animal ownership. After that, it will be on to domestic animal ownership as well These bans MUST be stopped now, before it is to late.
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