Pricing, determining. I need help please

the magic touch · Jul 3, 2005

HI I have a cat named Tayla Jade who is up with a stud friend to have babies. I like to start research early and I was wondering how you tell wether or not a kitten is show or breeding quality. I would also like to know how to price the kittens. Like what price range do you price pets, show, breeder and so forth.

scamperfarms · Jul 3, 2005

Its going to be depend on alot of factors...........breed being one. And as far as telling quality...IMO you should know how to tell before you breed. not trying to be snide. But you should know your breed standard very very well, inside and out, and see qualities of what makes each. To answer your question, I would start with your breed standard..

maverick_kitten · Jul 3, 2005

have you got the breeding rights for her from the breeder you got her from?

if so you can ask him/her to mentor you. they will be full of useful advice.

If you dont have the breeding rights i'm afraid a lot of people here will be relctant to help you.

the magic touch · Jul 4, 2005

Originally Posted by ScamperFarms

Its going to be depend on alot of factors...........breed being one. And as far as telling quality...IMO you should know how to tell before you breed. not trying to be snide. But you should know your breed standard very very well, inside and out, and see qualities of what makes each. To answer your question, I would start with your breed standard..

I have read the standards tons of time but I don't know I guess I will ask the studs breeder. Sorry for bothering you. I do do tons of research and I did read everything I could find. I guess I should re-research and ask.

tnr1 · Jul 4, 2005

Originally Posted by Animal Freak

I have read the standards tons of time but I don't know I guess I will ask the studs breeder. Sorry for bothering you. I do do tons of research and I did read everything I could find. I guess I should re-research and ask.

Meghan...if I've read your previous posts correctly...you are only 13 years old. Thus, it would be illegal for you to be conducting the transactions. Your parents should be working with the breeder you acquired your female from in order to determine pricing. I'm not sure why you didn't contact her when you were considering breeding this cat.

Katie

scamperfarms · Jul 4, 2005

Originally Posted by Animal Freak

I have read the standards tons of time but I don't know I guess I will ask the studs breeder. Sorry for bothering you. I do do tons of research and I did read everything I could find. I guess I should re-research and ask.

It is not a bother. But there are many factors you should be familar with, and know inside and out before breeding. IMO. I think that is the case with dogs, cats and horses...horses have beem my specialty of sometime, and i am just now feeling confident enough in my knowledge to breed cats. But I also know I can ask the breeder i purchased my girls from anything anytime i need to.
You should also speak with your breeder.

But yes as another poster said, you will need to have your parents involved...for sales, and other transactions.

megmar6853 · Jul 31, 2005

Bengals can run very expensive. I am a siamese breeder and I heard about Savannah cats. I went to go look at a breeder near me just for fun and she wanted 3500 dollars for a female Savannah kitten with breeding rights. My show modern siamese female cost me 1000 dollars.

goldenkitty45 · Aug 30, 2005

This may sound harsh but if you do NOT know how to tell show/breeder/pet quality with your breed then you have NO business creating more kittens. It takes years of studying the breed to know quality.

I showed pedigrees for about 5 yrs before I decided to breed. By that time I knew good/bad quality and what to look for. I studied pedigrees to know what kinds of kittens I'd get.

I am proud to say that most of my kittens were show quality, but only a few where shown; I'd rather have people own quality pets that could be shown if wanted, then to have pet quality kittens who can't be shown.

You talk to breeders and get a ball park figure in pricing.

bengalbabe · Aug 30, 2005

Originally Posted by megmar6853

Bengals can run very expensive. I am a siamese breeder and I heard about Savannah cats. I went to go look at a breeder near me just for fun and she wanted 3500 dollars for a female Savannah kitten with breeding rights. My show modern siamese female cost me 1000 dollars.

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Yes savannahs can be very expensive, actaully $3500.00 for a breeder female is cheap! The reason they are very expensive is that they are rather rare. There are very few African servals that will breed domestics. I have heard they have to be raised with the domestic queen of they will kill it. So I guess once that domestic female is unable to breed then the African Serval cannot breed a domestic anymore? Almost all savannah males are infertile for the first 4 generations. And generally savannah females have very small litters.
The same is true with Bengals with fertility issues in males in the Felial generations. The breed is rather new and so it still being in the developmental stage makes more expense for the "good" breeder because good breeders are always trying to perfect the breed to get as close to the standard as possible. Sometimes that means altering a cat you put a lot of money into so you can bring in a new one closer to the standard, or keep one from a litter with the same bloodlines that is closer to the standard.
I know for myself with the bengals im going to be making a lot of changes with my breeders in the next few years. Retiring queens and keeping ones for breeding that are closer to the breed standard. It's not going to be cheap but im aiming for the best.

scamperfarms · Aug 30, 2005

Originally Posted by bengalbabe

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Yes savannahs can be very expensive, actaully $3500.00 for a breeder female is cheap! The reason they are very expensive is that they are rather rare. There are very few African servals that will breed domestics. I have heard they have to be raised with the domestic queen of they will kill it. So I guess once that domestic female is unable to breed then the African Serval cannot breed a domestic anymore? Almost all savannah males are infertile for the first 4 generations. And generally savannah females have very small litters.
The same is true with Bengals with fertility issues in males in the Felial generations. The breed is rather new and so it still being in the developmental stage makes more expense for the "good" breeder because good breeders are always trying to perfect the breed to get as close to the standard as possible. Sometimes that means altering a cat you put a lot of money into so you can bring in a new one closer to the standard, or keep one from a litter with the same bloodlines that is closer to the standard.
I know for myself with the bengals im going to be making a lot of changes with my breeders in the next few years. Retiring queens and keeping ones for breeding that are closer to the breed standard. It's not going to be cheap but im aiming for the best.

and we love you for it! cause thats what a good breeder does!

bengalbabe · Aug 30, 2005

Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

This may sound harsh but if you do NOT know how to tell show/breeder/pet quality with your breed then you have NO business creating more kittens. It takes years of studying the breed to know quality.

I showed pedigrees for about 5 yrs before I decided to breed. By that time I knew good/bad quality and what to look for. I studied pedigrees to know what kinds of kittens I'd get.

I am proud to say that most of my kittens were show quality, but only a few where shown; I'd rather have people own quality pets that could be shown if wanted, then to have pet quality kittens who can't be shown.

You talk to breeders and get a ball park figure in pricing.

I agree, genetics alone can take a long time to learn unless your a natural at those sort if things.
But I also have to point out that reading something a million times will not equal experiance. You can read what a kitten should look like but it's not the same as seeing a real life example. I was worried about that too on my first litter of kittens-not being able to tell what I should price them at so I understand the question. But I just knew once they were born. I also have lots on mentors though. I just sort of befriended some breeders and started asking questions. I also asked lots of questions to the person I bought the original pair of cats from. Im still asking lots of questions with my breeder friends. It makes them feel good to be able to help and it makes me a more confident breeder.

goldenkitty45 · Aug 30, 2005

That is why you go to shows and talk to lots of breeders (not just one or two) and learn how to tell good from the bad. That takes a lot of time - its not an instant thing.

If you don't know the breed standard and never have seen good and bad examples, you will not know what you are looking for.

My son grew up in the show cat world. He was showing our rex at age 12 yrs old and could tell you why he was a top quality rex. Impressed a few judges too! But he learned from me and by me explaining what was good/bad about the kittens. He knew what to look for.

The OP is not giving me the impression she knows what she is doing but is just breeding her cat cause someone told her it was good. I've known a few rex breeders who didn't have a clue as to what a good rex was yet was selling "show" quality cats which were far from it!

bengalbabe · Aug 30, 2005

Originally Posted by GoldenKitty45

I've known a few rex breeders who didn't have a clue as to what a good rex was yet was selling "show" quality cats which were far from it!

I've come across more then a few "breeders" that are just the same as you described. I am wondering who the heck would sell someone a breeder cat without making sure that they had a mentor. Or at least knew some about cats. I mean i've talked to people who were breeding and didn't know what FIV,FELV and FIP are! People who have never even owned a cat before and are now breeding! It's crazy. There's no way to improve a breed if you don't have a clue about the breed.

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