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That's it! I'm through with Wal-Mart!

post #1 of 36
6/28/05 at 11:42am
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http://www.womensenews.org/article.c...context/cover/

They can kiss my money goodbye!
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post #2 of 36
6/28/05 at 11:49am
Good I just talked my sister into trying other areas too.

Do you know that the founder apparently, as he was approaching death, had regrets about what he had done?
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post #3 of 36
6/28/05 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Marge
Good I just talked my sister into trying other areas too.

Do you know that the founder apparently, as he was approaching death, had regrets about what he had done?

I'm sure he had regrets...too bad the family carrying on his legacy isn't very open to change (or the left!). Now time to see what Target and K-Mart's policies on Plan B are....
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post #4 of 36
6/28/05 at 11:58am
Honestly, I don't really understand why the pharmacists are given the option of choosing whether or not to fill a prescription. Shouldn't that decision be between you and your doctor?

I go to Walmart only on a very rare occasion. I have never been happy about them editing/ censoring the music they sell.
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post #5 of 36
6/28/05 at 12:01pm
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Music....books....women's health options...seems as if Wal-Mart is very censorship-happy!

Yes, unfortunately many MANY pharmacists across the country are deciding that they do not wish to provide EC (emergency contraceptives). Extremely sad and scary, but true.
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post #6 of 36
6/28/05 at 12:06pm
Protest! Send emails, picket, whatever. I, too, don't think pharmacies should be allowed to "opt out" of offering certain medications that aren't OTC.
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post #7 of 36
6/28/05 at 12:28pm
I think that I heard on the news today that the son of who ever started WalMart just died in a plane crash. He was only in his mid-50's & very wealthy. Could it be Karma? I could be wrong...maybe I dreamed it.
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post #8 of 36
6/28/05 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by xocats
I think that I heard on the news today that the son of who ever started WalMart just died in a plane crash. He was only in his mid-50's & very wealthy. Could it be Karma? I could be wrong...maybe I dreamed it.
I'm not laughing that someone died...but ....I am laughing at your karma line Yes, one of the Walton boys did just die in a plane crash.
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post #9 of 36
6/28/05 at 12:31pm
I heard about that last year in my Women's Studies class. If you ask me the owner has no right to limit the types of drugs offered to patients in thier pharmacies. The ironic thing is Walmart sells condoms. Double standard much??? I think so!!
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post #10 of 36
6/28/05 at 12:43pm
I've said that before: "I'm done with Wal-mart, I'm never going back there", but I always do. The problem is that so many of the little odds and ends I buy, I can only buy there now because the competition has stopped selling them, because they don't want to compete with Wal-mart, so even if I'm willing to buy them elsewhere at a higher price, I can't.
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post #11 of 36
6/28/05 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
Music....books....women's health options...seems as if Wal-Mart is very censorship-happy!
Yeah, they'll censor the music they sell, but last time we were in there they were playing Sex in the City on the TV/Direct TV display. It was unedited. In about 2 minutes, there were at least 2 F-Bombs, in reference to sexual activities, and a guy with a tampon stuck up his nose (for a bloody nose). There were kids all over the Electronics Department. I'm no prude, but I really don't think that show was appropriate for showing in that environment with a lot of kids around. Hypocritcal much?

And I just think that any pharmacy or pharmacist who refuses to fill ANY prescription should be thrown in jail. What happens if you get a PETA member who refuses to fill insulin prescriptions? It's wrong no matter if it is about contraception or animal rights. I never have and never will fill my scrips at Wal Mart.
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post #12 of 36
6/28/05 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by squirtle
Honestly, I don't really understand why the pharmacists are given the option of choosing whether or not to fill a prescription. Shouldn't that decision be between you and your doctor?
Pharmacists are NOT given the option to fill scripts, unless there is some sort of problem with the dosage, refill schedule, or drug interactions. My parents are Pharmacists. Niether of then agree with thier peers who choose to interject thier reliegious beliefs into thier job. My Dad has said "If you don't want to fill scripts for Plan B or birth control, then you're in the worng buisness."
In the Walmart case, it's the company, not the pharmacists choosing what drugs they will carry. The only time a pharmacist can refuse to fill a script, is when they think there is drug abuse involved like in pain killers. Some one comes in for a refill of their Oxy Conton after 2 weeks when they had a 1 month supply, that is cause for refusal.
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post #13 of 36
6/28/05 at 1:34pm
He was the Heir apparent and the environmental (sane) voice for Wal-Mart. His loss will be deeply felt and heaven only knows where Wal-Mart will go from here. John Walton crashed his ultralite plane and died instantly.
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post #14 of 36
6/28/05 at 2:29pm
I just read about him in the news. I feel bad that I made fun of his death in an earlier post on this thread. I was just joking around with the concept of Wal-Mart's ongoing problems & (cosmic cause & effect) Karma.

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Originally Posted by hissy
He was the Heir apparent and the environmental (sane) voice for Wal-Mart. His loss will be deeply felt and heaven only knows where Wal-Mart will go from here. John Walton crashed his ultralite plane and died instantly.
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post #15 of 36
6/28/05 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by xocats
I just read about him in the news. I feel bad that I made fun of his death in an earlier post on this thread. I was just joking around with the concept of Wal-Mart's ongoing problems & (cosmic cause & effect) Karma.
Me, too. Scary to think about where things will go, now
Heidi, I am shocked that they would even sell SITC, much less show an unedited version out in public . While I'm a big fan of the show, I agree that it shouldn't be shown where small kids may see it. They are so hypocritical!
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post #16 of 36
6/28/05 at 3:17pm
The main problem with Wal-Mart started with the guy (David Glass) who took over after Mr. Sam's death. Walton believed that the company would continue to be run according to his vision, but I think Glass was just smiling and nodding until the lid on the coffin slammed shut. I worked for the company for 7 years, during part of which Mr. Sam was still around. He was at the opening of my store. I, and other former employees, have often said that Mr. Sam must be rolling over in his grave over what has happened to Wal-Mart in all arenas.

It's sad.
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post #17 of 36
6/28/05 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by Deb25
Mr. Sam must be rolling over in his grave over what has happened to Wal-Mart in all arenas. It's sad.
Yes...absolutely...right on!!
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post #18 of 36
6/28/05 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by eburgess
Pharmacists are NOT given the option to fill scripts, unless there is some sort of problem with the dosage, refill schedule, or drug interactions. My parents are Pharmacists. Niether of then agree with thier peers who choose to interject thier reliegious beliefs into thier job. My Dad has said "If you don't want to fill scripts for Plan B or birth control, then you're in the worng buisness."
In the Walmart case, it's the company, not the pharmacists choosing what drugs they will carry. The only time a pharmacist can refuse to fill a script, is when they think there is drug abuse involved like in pain killers. Some one comes in for a refill of their Oxy Conton after 2 weeks when they had a 1 month supply, that is cause for refusal.
Pharmacists are allowed to refuse filling prescriptions based on their moral beliefs in several states. They can refuse birth control, Plan B, and anything that they feel is immoral. More and more states are passing laws to protect pharmacists from civil suits and such if they decide to refuse a prescription.
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post #19 of 36
6/28/05 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by squirtle
Pharmacists are allowed to refuse filling prescriptions based on their moral beliefs in several states. They can refuse birth control, Plan B, and anything that they feel is immoral. More and more states are passing laws to protect pharmacists from civil suits and such if they decide to refuse a prescription.

I am just saying what is stated in the oath Pharmacists take when they graduate, and what my parents say and most others agree. Those laws are both unjust and unwise. The health of women is undermined, and why should any of us be surprised. I say if a man can refuse to fill a script for birth control, then women can refuse to fill scripts for Viagra and simular drugs. I'm sorry but a woman's health is mosr important then a man's ability to get it up.
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post #20 of 36
6/28/05 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by eburgess
I am just saying what is stated in the oath Pharmacists take when they graduate, and what my parents say and most others agree. Those laws are both unjust and unwise. The health of women is undermined, and why should any of us be surprised. I say if a man can refuse to fill a script for birth control, then women can refuse to fill scripts for Viagra and simular drugs. I'm sorry but a woman's health is mosr important then a man's ability to get it up.
I agree completely with what you are saying, I was just saying that I don't agree with the laws allowing the pharmacists to refuse filling the prescriptions based on their morals or religious beliefs. Whether it's Viagra or birth control, I think the decision lies between you and your doctor which medicine you are going to take. Women don't always take birth control just to prevent babies. I just found out that my doctor suspects I have a pituitary tumor.... birth control pills can help to regulate the hormone levels that are out of whack due to the tumor. I wouldn't want a pharmacist deciding that I can't fill my prescription because he doesn't feel it's "right".
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post #21 of 36
6/28/05 at 6:21pm
All I'm saying is that the vast majority of pharmacists disagree with thier peers refusing to fill scripts... It seems to be something many of you are missing. Just as with any issue the few give the many a bad name and all of a sudden all pharmacists are the bad guy, and not doing thier job.
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post #22 of 36
6/28/05 at 6:40pm
Just to clarify, I don't know the numbers of pharmacists who are refusing prescriptions. I can't find anywhere that anyone implied pharmacists are not doing their job, and I don't feel that way at all. I have never been denied a prescription. I think you might be misunderstanding me. My anger is with the laws that say a pharmacist has a right to refuse my prescription if they feel it's immoral or against their beliefs, and they aren't going away any time soon since more states are passing those laws.
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post #23 of 36
6/28/05 at 7:25pm
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Originally Posted by Deb25
The main problem with Wal-Mart started with the guy (David Glass) who took over after Mr. Sam's death. Walton believed that the company would continue to be run according to his vision, but I think Glass was just smiling and nodding until the lid on the coffin slammed shut. I worked for the company for 7 years, during part of which Mr. Sam was still around. He was at the opening of my store. I, and other former employees, have often said that Mr. Sam must be rolling over in his grave over what has happened to Wal-Mart in all arenas.

It's sad.

Glass did not even wait until mr. sam was in the ground. I think it is ashamed that mr. sam worked so hard his whole life to build a good name for his company, and to do the best he could, and as soon as he died everyone ran in to line their pockets and destroyed wal-marts reputation. There was a time when walmart was a good place. now its just terrible. There was a time when walmart cared about the communities they came into instead of trying to run everyone else off. mr. sam did say he was sorry for what he created when he died, he admited that it was too big for its own good.
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post #24 of 36
6/28/05 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by squirtle
Just to clarify, I don't know the numbers of pharmacists who are refusing prescriptions. I can't find anywhere that anyone implied pharmacists are not doing their job, and I don't feel that way at all. I have never been denied a prescription. I think you might be misunderstanding me. My anger is with the laws that say a pharmacist has a right to refuse my prescription if they feel it's immoral or against their beliefs, and they aren't going away any time soon since more states are passing those laws.
I disagree. I think all medical people must have the right to refuse what they believe to be wrong. As a nurse, I can refuse to give a medication to a client even if the doctor orders it.

Case in point-I had a doctor order an antibiotic that the client reported being allergic to. I refused to give it to the person, the doctor gave it himself. Luckily, the person was fine, but I was not going to risk an allergic reaction.

Please realize, if I give a medication that harms a person, I am legally responsible. I cannot say "the doc told me to". As a thinking nurse, it is my responsiblity to refuse any orders I disagree with. I think the same is true for pharmacists. And yes, on occasion, I have had a pharmacist refuse an order I am phoning in for a doctor.

I do not see how you can compel a medical worker to do something against their beliefs,or what they feel is in the patient's best interest. Should vets be required to declaw?

People who are opposed to Walmart's stand can shop elsewhere to make their point. Or like suggested earlier, send letters to Walmart. But this is still a free country, and even if you don't agree with the viewpoint, people are allowed to have a different viewpoint than yours, and act on their beliefs.
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post #25 of 36
6/28/05 at 9:01pm
Beckiboo, regardless of your moral beleifs the job of the nurse and the pharmacist is to follow what the doctor has ordered for the patient. They have not digniosed the patient and therefore do not have the priliage of saying "yes you can/no you can't, have this drug or treatment". It is not the job of the pharmacisits to determine if the drug is right for you solely on his or her moral beliefs. They must base that on the judgement of the doctor. The only time such action is nessecary is when there is a possibility of a drug interaction, or they don't make that drug in that dosage. The Pharmacist is obilgated to provide a patient his or her drugs, that is thier job, that is why they spent 5-6 years in school. Those people who refuse women thier birth control should not be in the buisness period. They are denieing women thier treatment and can jepordize her health in doing so.
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post #26 of 36
6/28/05 at 10:57pm
Beckipoo I see your point on things such as you mentioned. But refusing a woman Birth control, of any sort is plain WRONG. It is not a medical reason that they are doing it. Its a moral one. and thats wrong. It is not for anyone to tell me what I can and can not do to protect myself against having children, or if i was raped to protect myself of having that child as well.

And I agree with the point, that some women do not take Birth control for pregancy reasons. they take it for other health reasons. All a pharmacist sees is what written for BC..they dont know WHY the doctor who ordered it..gave it.
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post #27 of 36
6/29/05 at 5:14am
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Originally Posted by ScamperFarms
Beckipoo I see your point on things such as you mentioned. But refusing a woman Birth control, of any sort is plain WRONG. It is not a medical reason that they are doing it. Its a moral one. and thats wrong. It is not for anyone to tell me what I can and can not do to protect myself against having children, or if i was raped to protect myself of having that child as well.

And I agree with the point, that some women do not take Birth control for pregancy reasons. they take it for other health reasons. All a pharmacist sees is what written for BC..they dont know WHY the doctor who ordered it..gave it.
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Originally Posted by eburgess
Beckiboo, regardless of your moral beleifs the job of the nurse and the pharmacist is to follow what the doctor has ordered for the patient. They have not digniosed the patient and therefore do not have the priliage of saying "yes you can/no you can't, have this drug or treatment". It is not the job of the pharmacisits to determine if the drug is right for you solely on his or her moral beliefs. They must base that on the judgement of the doctor. The only time such action is nessecary is when there is a possibility of a drug interaction, or they don't make that drug in that dosage. The Pharmacist is obilgated to provide a patient his or her drugs, that is thier job, that is why they spent 5-6 years in school. Those people who refuse women thier birth control should not be in the buisness period. They are denieing women thier treatment and can jepordize her health in doing so.
Just wanted to say that I agree 110% with what you two are saying and THAT is why I am boycotting WalMart. I'm actually thinking of calling a colleague at our local Planned Parenthood to see if they'll be doing any kind of protests here in Savannah, where WalMart has taken over every street corner!
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post #28 of 36
6/29/05 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
Just wanted to say that I agree 110% with what you two are saying and THAT is why I am boycotting WalMart. I'm actually thinking of calling a colleague at our local Planned Parenthood to see if they'll be doing any kind of protests here in Savannah, where WalMart has taken over every street corner!
I absolutely agree with those comments as well. Becki, you making the decision to not give that patient medicine was based on a medical reason. This I can understand, but making the decision to refuse a prescription based on morals is wrong.

Are these all Walmarts that are refusing to fill prescriptions for Plan B?
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post #29 of 36
6/29/05 at 7:34am
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Yes....As a nurse, pharmacist, doctor, whatever- just because they are your morals do not mean that they are the same as the morals of the patient. For example, you could have a patient who was raped (but possibly does not disclose that that is what has happened). If she requests Plan B and you refuse, she could possibly be sentenced to having a child born of rape. That could, naturally, be VERY difficult on her.
What I'm saying is, as a nurse or other healthcare professional, if your morals will affect other womens' healthcare, find another profession (though I do agree with you on not giving a person medicine if they are allergic; that I hope would be common sense).
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post #30 of 36
6/29/05 at 6:57pm
I understand Beckaboo's feelings on this to a point as I too have refused to give a medication twice in my career (morphine and dilaudid). That said, I think professionals should be able to refuse ONLY if it proved that it will be physically detrimental to the patient. I don't think health care professionals should put their morals before the needs of a patient. If that were the case practicing (devout) Catholic Dr's, pharms, and nurses, would not be writing Rxs or filling or dispensing meds like the Pill, depo provera, etc. Maybe there are some who do, but I've never heard of any. Do Jehovah Witnesses not order or hang blood for their patients? Not sure, but not doing as the doc ordered, you can be charged with patient abandonment, unless you can prove it would have been harmful to your patient.
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