The Nerve of Some People!!

rosietoes · Jun 13, 2005

Originally Posted by WellingtonCats

Well, I've been thinking about this post over night and still don't really know exactly what to say - but IMO you can't breed cats UNLESS you have money, what if the cat hadn't been acidentally desexed etc etc and they found out he had some condition or something, then of course the cat would need to be replaced - you can't breed cats if you are not going to be able top pay for all these little "extras" that pop up. Of course I'm not condoning this desexing situation, it is disgusting!

RosieToes, do you breed cats?

No, I am not a cat breeder, I'm more into horses in that respect.
While you do need a certain amount of money to be a cat breeder, this point is quite moot in this situation; the original post was regarding the people's senseless act of neutering the cat... if the cat had become sterile on its own, or had some sort of disease, yes it would be unfortunate, but that is "the luck of the draw." This whole thing was about the wrongful acts of someone who was trying to make a point without taking the cat's overall well-being and the feelings of the owners into consideration. Had their cat required any emergency vet bills, they would be able to pay for them. But they can't afford to go out and get another cat right away...they spent a lot of time and ernergy getting this particular kitten, and he was the one they wanted to be their stud. The tragedy about this whole issue is not so much the fact that he can no longer be a stud, because yes, that could have happenned on its own, but rather that it was through the negligence and lack of consideration of another person that brought it around.

rosietoes · Jun 13, 2005

Originally Posted by WellingtonCats

I believe it wasn't a prize cat...it had never been to a cat show!

So does that mean that all of your kittens are next to worthless before they have been to a show? If so, I don't know how you can make any money off of it. All that money you need to start a breeding program must be disappearing pretty quick.

aquiel · Jun 13, 2005

rosietoes--you must be starting to feel like a broken record!
And once agian, well said!

rosietoes · Jun 13, 2005

Originally Posted by elizwithcat

Establishing a cattery takes a lot of money. I am pretty sure all the responcible breeders would tell you that. If you don't have any money, then you shouldn't start a cattery.

Elizwithcat- not to be nasty, but it seems that you are having difficulties reading for comprehension...I never said anywhere that they didn't have any money, just not enough of it to swing by the local Persian breeders on the way home from the grocery store and buy another expensive kitten. And if you are just going for a small scale breeding operation (you know, since I only mentioned that they had a whopping 2 cats in their household, never mentioned plans to build a 2-acre 5-storey Persian Palace) then you don't need "a lot of money," just enough to take care of them and eventually show the tom.
As it so happenned, having their house broken into and having their cat wrongfully neutered wasn't really something they had ever anitcipated, so naturally they hadn't exactly set any cash aside for purchasing a "replacement cat."

rosietoes · Jun 13, 2005

Originally Posted by Aquiel

rosietoes--you must be starting to feel like a broken record!
And once agian, well said!

No kidding eh? Perhaps I should edit out all of my fancy literature and just write like this:

People went on vacation. House got broken into. Cat got neutered by snotty neighbor without asking owner's permission. Owners are sad. Neighbors were wrong. Cat was not their property, they had no right. This makes me feel angry inside.
The End

aquiel · Jun 13, 2005

scamperfarms · Jun 13, 2005

Originally Posted by CJandBilly

Scamper pretty much said what I did mean. Just because they're not valuable, doesn't mean they aren't prized. All my kits at prized to me, and they were from strays.

thanks i dont like labeling. Shows dont always mean best. alot of times they mean whats in, best handler or just who handled. better..and judges opinion of breed standard.....

I get hot over this issue in ALL walks...lol

cjandbilly · Jun 13, 2005

Originally Posted by RosieToes

No kidding eh? Perhaps I should edit out all of my fancy literature and just write like this:

People went on vacation. House got broken into. Cat got neutered by snotty neighbor without asking owner's permission. Owners are sad. Neighbors were wrong. Cat was not their property, they had no right. This makes me feel angry inside.
The End

rosehawke · Jun 13, 2005

Originally Posted by RosieToes

No kidding eh? Perhaps I should edit out all of my fancy literature and just write like this:

People went on vacation. House got broken into. Cat got neutered by snotty neighbor without asking owner's permission. Owners are sad. Neighbors were wrong. Cat was not their property, they had no right. This makes me feel angry inside.
The End

(Maybe I should start writing like this, I get rather pedantic at times myself.)

wellingtoncats · Jun 13, 2005

Originally Posted by RosieToes

It's not like you need to be a millionaire to have a small-scale breeding program

Absolutely! I never suggested you did need to. No need to exagerate.

wellingtoncats · Jun 13, 2005

Originally Posted by RosieToes

So does that mean that all of your kittens are next to worthless before they have been to a show? If so, I don't know how you can make any money off of it. All that money you need to start a breeding program must be disappearing pretty quick.

How can you even suggest about 'making money' off of a breeding program, that is not the key at all. We here at Captivating Persians and Exotics are breeding for the improvment of the breed. We're doing a good job too.

I'm not even going to get into the definition of the word Prized, it's not worth it.

None of my kittens are worthless, I never did imply that they were. My reply saying the cat wasn't a prized cat was more tongue in cheek, actually.

Samantha

squirtle · Jun 14, 2005

Originally Posted by RosieToes

The girl assumed that the cat was just a little distraught and hiding under the bed upstairs...they weren't always around, it was a big house and the cats had "lives of their own" so to speak, so she didn't really take much notice of it, it was one of those things that never really crossed her mind (everyone makes mistakes.) And a child (I think she was 12) can be just as capable as an adult, but it's not like anybody could have forseen their house getting broken into.
They don't like the idea of taking their cats to a kennel because a) the combination of a new environment, plus the absence of thier owners, would very likely stress the poor things out, and b) they didn't want to take the chance of their cats getting anything from other cats. Plus the kennels around here charge crazy prices!

A child can be just as capable as an adult in some situations, but in this case, I think if the initiative was taken to check to make sure the cats were home safe after the break in, and if the window that had been broken was boarded up none of this would have happened. Of course no one could have foreseen the break in, but just as you would with children, you need to be responsible and leave your pets under the care of someone who can handle ANY situation that may arise while you are gone.

cjandbilly · Jun 14, 2005

Originally Posted by squirtle

A child can be just as capable as an adult in some situations, but in this case, I think if the initiative was taken to check to make sure the cats were home safe after the break in, and if the window that had been broken was boarded up none of this would have happened.

Perhaps she did, but by the time she noticed it, and was able to act upon it, she was too late? You never know... maybe she was out when the break-in occured, and returned to feed the cats, only to find the house broken in... I'm sure she grabbed the other cat, looked everywhere for the boy, and when she couldn't find him, just blocked the window somehow.

squirtle · Jun 14, 2005

Originally Posted by CJandBilly

Perhaps she did, but by the time she noticed it, and was able to act upon it, she was too late? You never know... maybe she was out when the break-in occured, and returned to feed the cats, only to find the house broken in... I'm sure she grabbed the other cat, looked everywhere for the boy, and when she couldn't find him, just blocked the window somehow.

You are just speculating what the girl possibly did.... The original post said she thought the cat was hiding upstairs it was a big house and it made it sound like she did not look until the next day when she realized she still hadn't seen the cat.... If she noticed the cat was missing she could have gone door to door and questioned the neighbors, hung signs everywhere, things like that. It wasn't her fault she reacted the best way she knew how. My point is that it would have been more responsible of the pet owner to have someone more mature in charge of taking care of their pets. Someone who would know how to react to a situation such as this.

scamperfarms · Jun 14, 2005

Originally Posted by squirtle

You are just speculating what the girl possibly did.... The original post said she thought the cat was hiding upstairs it was a big house and it made it sound like she did not look until the next day when she realized she still hadn't seen the cat.... If she noticed the cat was missing she could have gone door to door and questioned the neighbors, hung signs everywhere, things like that. It wasn't her fault she reacted the best way she knew how. My point is that it would have been more responsible of the pet owner to have someone more mature in charge of taking care of their pets. Someone who would know how to react to a situation such as this.

And you are speculating as to what she DIDNT do.... and as far as mature..i know 20 somethings who dont touch a hair on mature...where as some 12 year olds are mucgh more mature than them...so it depends on the person.

squirtle · Jun 14, 2005

Originally Posted by ScamperFarms

And you are speculating as to what she DIDNT do.... and as far as mature..i know 20 somethings who dont touch a hair on mature...where as some 12 year olds are mucgh more mature than them...so it depends on the person.

I was not speculating but going by the information in the original post.
1. The girl thought the cat was hiding upstairs but it was a big house the girl never found the cat.
2. The girl did not become concerned until one day had passed and she still had not seen the cat. One day very well COULD have made a big difference in whether or not the cat was found before the neighbors neutered him. If signs were out perhaps the neighbors would have recognized the cat when they found it.
3. The original poster said that the burgler had broken a window and that was how the cat got out, so the window was not boarded up.
4. When the owners got back to town they called around the neighborhood and found the cat. The neighbors had hung a sign in their front yard giving notice that they had found the cat. If the girl had gone door to door she would have either spoken to the neighbors or she would have seen the sign.

I don't think it is this girls fault, it sounds like she did not have any knowledge of how to deal with a lost cat. Maybe I should have phrased my words a little more carefully. I PERSONALLY would not leave Dori under the care of a 12 year old who comes to visit twice a day while I am out of town for a week.
I don't think you can point blame at any one person in this situation, it just happened. Thank goodness no one was hurt and the kitty is safe.

scamperfarms · Jun 14, 2005

Originally Posted by squirtle

I was not speculating but going by the information in the original post.
1. The girl thought the cat was hiding upstairs but it was a big house the girl never found the cat.
2. The girl did not become concerned until one day had passed and she still had not seen the cat. One day very well COULD have made a big difference in whether or not the cat was found before the neighbors neutered him. If signs were out perhaps the neighbors would have recognized the cat when they found it.
3. The original poster said that the burgler had broken a window and that was how the cat got out, so the window was not boarded up.
4. When the owners got back to town they called around the neighborhood and found the cat. The neighbors had hung a sign in their front yard giving notice that they had found the cat. If the girl had gone door to door she would have either spoken to the neighbors or she would have seen the sign.

I don't think it is this girls fault, it sounds like she did not have any knowledge of how to deal with a lost cat. Maybe I should have phrased my words a little more carefully. I PERSONALLY would not leave Dori under the care of a 12 year old who comes to visit twice a day while I am out of town for a week.
I don't think you can point blame at any one person in this situation, it just happened. Thank goodness no one was hurt and the kitty is safe.

The cat could have gotten out before the girl got there to find the place broken into, she could have boarded up the window, after. Its hard to say we werent there and we dont know the girl. It is a to each their own thing I suppose.

My 12 year old cousin would be a better candiate IMO to watch my animals, than my 18 year old sister....

squirtle · Jun 14, 2005

Originally Posted by ScamperFarms

The cat could have gotten out before the girl got there to find the place broken into, she could have boarded up the window, after. Its hard to say we werent there and we dont know the girl. It is a to each their own thing I suppose.

My 12 year old cousin would be a better candiate IMO to watch my animals, than my 18 year old sister....

Yes, the cat could have been missing before the break in. But still the cat was not looked for until the day after the police investigation and in that case, the cat would have been missing since the day before the break in and 2 days could have passed with the cat missing and no one noticing.
I guess all I am trying to say is that there were actions that could have been taken by people other than the neighbor who neutered the cat to prevent this. It happened and it's frustrating to everyone but sometimes things happen and you have to make the best of them. In this case no one was hurt. Money and time was lost but that was all thankfully.

loveysmummy · Jun 14, 2005

I tend to agree.
I wouldn't allow a 12 year old child OR an immature 18 or 80 year old to look after my cats when on vacation.

I would hire an established pet sitting service or call on a cat-loving like minded mature friend to do the job.
If this were the case, these people would be the people to count on if a break-in occurred or some other dangerous incident happened.
This is what caregivers are supposed to be able to do. Besides basic care, they should know what to do in an emergency.

I wouldn't want my pet sitter to come by, see that there was a break in and then leave without knowing where my cat was/is. I would want them (and they would) to have visual confirmation that the cat was safe inside, board up the window, and make sure that things were secure before leaving.
If the cat was not to be seen, then I would count on that person to scour the neighbourhood right then and there.

If certain precautions or preventive measures were taken, then this sadness might not have occurred. I am obviously not saying its the fault of the 12 year old or the neighbours that they were broken into. But we have to take responsibility when we could have taken better preventive measures. things happen.

wellingtoncats · Jun 14, 2005

Originally Posted by Loveysmummy

I tend to agree.
I wouldn't allow a 12 year old child OR an immature 18 or 80 year old to look after my cats when on vacation.

I would hire an established pet sitting service or call on a cat-loving like minded mature friend to do the job.
If this were the case, these people would be the people to count on if a break-in occurred or some other dangerous incident happened.
This is what caregivers are supposed to be able to do. Besides basic care, they should know what to do in an emergency.

I wouldn't want my pet sitter to come by, see that there was a break in and then leave without knowing where my cat was/is. I would want them (and they would) to have visual confirmation that the cat was safe inside, board up the window, and make sure that things were secure before leaving.
If the cat was not to be seen, then I would count on that person to scour the neighbourhood right then and there.

If certain precautions or preventive measures were taken, then this sadness might not have occurred. I am obviously not saying its the fault of the 12 year old or the neighbours that they were broken into. But we have to take responsibility when we could have taken better preventive measures. things happen.

Wonderful post.

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