Help! Our 11mo keeps trying to mount the new kittens!

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Hello,

Although I have been a cat owner (or owned by a cat, if you prefer) for 18 years. Although I feel that I am fairly well versed in cat behavior and such, I have encountered a bizarre circumstance that I cannot seem to find reference for anywhere on the internet.

My son's 11 month old unaltered male cat, Furby, has always been rather - ahem - frisky. Until about a month ago, when his brother moved out with his owner, and our former housemate, they constantly tried to mount one another.

After Stoner, Furby's brother, moved out Furby became the only cat of the household. Odd for us since we have always tried to keep a 1 cat-1 person ratio since we first moved out on our own. (Last year we had a string of losses, completely unrelated, that left our family devastated. We lost one to a blockage, another to uterine cancer, and finally the patriarch of our feline dominated household to kidney/liver failure - all within a span of four months.)

The day after Stoner moved out, my mother decided that one feline presence in the household was at least one too few, and so she and my father acquired a cute little female longhaired kitten 8 weeks of age for my wife, she having lost her kitten in October of last year. We named her Stormy, since her fur resembled the angry dark bands seen in some storm clouds out here in Minnesota.

No sooner had we accepted this beautiful cat into our household, and Furby promptly latched himself onto her posterior and licked her profusely - much to her displeasure I might add.

Within a couple of hours Furby tried to mount her. She is a tough little furball though, thankfully, and she successfully fought off his unwanted advances. Within a week she managed to display her displeasure in a most painful (for Furby) and yet entertaining (for the Mrs) method to poor Mr. Furbs. She spun around and bit the offending protuberance that seems to dominate the pour soul's mind these days. The sound of poor Furbs scream was muffled by the roaring laughter of my wife. Personally I winced at the mere thought! However, Furby has not displayed much interest in Stormy since this event, at least as far as that sort of behavior goes. They still play - but he hasn't made any advances towards her in this fashion since.

Last night my wife decided to surprise my daughter and I by bringing home two new eight week old kittens, both of us having lost our feline companions in January. One was a female shorthair tabby, which my daughter promptly named Jasmine (she does have good taste in names, love the scent personally) and the other was a male shorthair tabby of an overall gray color, which I named Nyan. (Nyan is the name of a character I have played for many years in a role playing game - hey - it was my wife's idea.
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Furby again took it upon himself to greet the newcomers in similar fashion to how he introduced himself to Stormy. Unfortunately, unlike Stormy, these two are not quite so 'expressive' of their displeasure, one might say. They squawk, growl, and squirm somewhat when he grabs the scruffs of their necks, but little else.

I've NEVER experienced anything like this. My old Smokey - he would hiss at and run away from kittens. Is Furby's behavior normal?!

I am afraid that he's going to wind up hurting one of these kittens in his inexplicable displays of unbridled lust. Thus my question is of course, what can we do to prevent this from happening, short of developing a set of kitten-friendly flash cards to teach these two how Stormy dealt with the issue?


While I would readily accept neutering - finances at this time aren't flexible enough to allow for it. At this time we have poor old Mr. Furbs locked up in the bathroom when we're not around, with the essentials of course, but despite his antics - I'd rather not have to do that for any real duration of time.

Is there anything else we can do to curb this lovesick tom?

Thanks in advance folks!

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Tenz

PS: While I'm on the topic of problems with cats, I figure I'll drop a line here pertaining to my mother's cat. My mother has a female shorthair, named Desi, who went into heat about two months ago. Nothing too spectacular in that by it's lonesome, normal for an unspayed female of course, except that she has still not yet fallen out of heat! What could prompt a cat to remain in heat for such an extended duration of time? My mother insists that the poor soul is merely a nympho - but I think it could be something more than that. My daughter's former cat, who died in January of this year of uterine cancer, had a similar marathon heat that spanned July and August of last year. Is this sort of marathon heat a customary symptom of early stage uterine cancer? I hope not, but I would rather my folks not get blindsided by such a horrible encounter as we had with Midnight.
 

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The only solution to this that I know of is neutering. With all the cat hormones rushing round your young lads body, all he knows is that he wants lots! I beleive there are reduced cost neutering schemes all over the place and I'm sure one of the US posteres will point them out to you.

As for your mum's cat, I suspect the same solution will be needed. Some female cats will often not come out of heat until they have been impregnated. Looks like the vet is needed.

BTW, Furby is such a cool name for a cat.
 

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I am trying to be constructive...but at some point some honesty is what's needed.

If you have the extra hours to type up 1000+ word high school essays about your cats, you can certainly get a temporary job to get some cash to pay for S/N of both Furby and your mom's female cat. If not, a few posters will come along and post sources for vets or agencies who provide free or discount S/N operations.

The answer in both cases -- this is how unaltered cats behave! Intact males will try to mount girl cats (for mating) or cats in general (for sake of dominance).

And as for the postscript, intact females remain in near perpetual heat during the "summer months" and this is why it is called kitten season.

I am trying to respectful and not be antagonstic, and others might come along and spend more time sugarcoating it, but essentially my post is a constructive answer. We are talking about $200 (max)...and all of us are sitting at computers with internet connections, so none of us are exactly destitute or under duress.
 

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Furby is in serious danger of hurting the kittens of getting seriously injured by stormy. when stormy is ready to mate she WILL get pregnant by him.

One of the moderators TNR1 has a couple of lists where you can get low cost spays/neuters. If you dont snip Furby asap his behaviour will get worse and worse and your house will literally become saturated in cat urine, something you will find very very hard to clean off. un-neutered males also tend to become aggressive to both owners and other cats as they reach sexual maturity which i would say wil be any time soon.

Rather than bring more cats into your family you really need to alter the ones you got. you have four un-neutered cats right now. in two years time you could quite easily have thirty four!

I dont mean to lecture you but by not spaying/neutering in time you are setting yourself up for a lot of problems later (especially with males).
 

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He is un-neutered male. I think you need to neuter him ASAP to prevent this kinds of behaviors. Neuter doesn't cost that much, and some places do it cheaper than others. This is the only thing that can be done, though. You could also call shelters-I think some of them have spay/neuter mobile clinics, which is really cheap.
 
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Originally Posted by Nano

I am trying to be constructive...but at some point some honesty is what's needed.

If you have the extra hours to type up 1000+ word high school essays about your cats, you can certainly get a temporary job to get some cash to pay for S/N of both Furby and your mom's female cat. If not, a few posters will come along and post sources for vets or agencies who provide free or discount S/N operations.

The answer in both cases -- this is how unaltered cats behave! Intact males will try to mount girl cats (for mating) or cats in general (for sake of dominance).
Well, a blunt one! I know how to deal with that sort!


I agree that Mr. Furbs needs to be neutered, and as soon as possible. If you folks know of a discount place in the Fargo ND/Moorhead MN metro area, by all means, I'm all ears!

As for the unaltered cat bit, I've been around quite a number of adult, unaltered cats in my time. Never in all the 18 years I have owned cats and kittens of all shapes, sizes, colors, and creeds have I ever experienced an unaltered male trying to mount an 8 week old kitten.

I guess this just goes to show how different each cat can be though...

The extended duration heat - THAT I've seen before. It was what came after the last time I saw it, was what scared me about Desi. Point taken though...

As per your' comment regarding the 1,000 word plus essay? I'm a writer, what do you expect, short and sweet?! Hardly.
Though I do take a bit of offense at my work being called 'high school'.
My writing wasn't even considered high school when I was attending NCW High, nearly ten years ago!

In any event, it is easy to begin calling on someone's finances without having all the facts straight. That is typical of the behavior of some politicians that call for more spending on certain initiatives when they fail to realize that there is no money left in the collective budget. That's what we call debt, folks, and the Vet will NOT bill you for treatment of the feline members of the family. At least not around here anyway, we've asked.

Suffice it to say, were I to have the time available to me to pick up yet another job, I would. As it stands by the end of this month I will be working roughly 85 hours per week as a writer for two publishers, plus a merchandising job for a national company that gives me a few hours a week, and then of course a lousy wage slave job that gives me 40 hours. Despite all of that - the bills are narrowly paid. Tends to happen when you have a family, medical bills, a mortgage, and all the usual trimmings, AND do not have a college education to attain the exceptionally high paying jobs. Were my wife not stuck in limbo on attaining disability for her fibromyalgia and intersticial cystitis - we probably would be much better off.

Meanwhile I'm cutting into my usual five hours of sleep a night. Time to hit the racks...

Thanks for the note...

Tenz
 

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Originally Posted by SirTenzan

Hello,

Although I have been a cat owner (or owned by a cat, if you prefer) for 18 years. Although I feel that I am fairly well versed in cat behavior and such, I have encountered a bizarre circumstance that I cannot seem to find reference for anywhere on the internet.

My son's 11 month old unaltered male cat, Furby, has always been rather - ahem - frisky. Until about a month ago, when his brother moved out with his owner, and our former housemate, they constantly tried to mount one another. Furby needs to be neutered. For many reasons, but he will become aggressive if left intact, spray your home, mount your leg, your animals or anything else he desires, as he is led to do because he isn't fixed.

After Stoner, Furby's brother, moved out Furby became the only cat of the household. Odd for us since we have always tried to keep a 1 cat-1 person ratio since we first moved out on our own. (Last year we had a string of losses, completely unrelated, that left our family devastated. We lost one to a blockage, another to uterine cancer, and finally the patriarch of our feline dominated household to kidney/liver failure - all within a span of four months.)
I am sorry you had such losses, the vet bills would have been staggering as well.

The day after Stoner moved out, my mother decided that one feline presence in the household was at least one too few, and so she and my father acquired a cute little female longhaired kitten 8 weeks of age for my wife, she having lost her kitten in October of last year. We named her Stormy, since her fur resembled the angry dark bands seen in some storm clouds out here in Minnesota.

No sooner had we accepted this beautiful cat into our household, and Furby promptly latched himself onto her posterior and licked her profusely - much to her displeasure I might add. If you cannot afford to spay and neuter your pets, then you need to keep them apart until you can afford to. Furby can hurt this little one, and the stress of being mounted by a larger cat can cause Stormy some major health issues as well.

Within a couple of hours Furby tried to mount her. She is a tough little furball though, thankfully, and she successfully fought off his unwanted advances. Within a week she managed to display her displeasure in a most painful (for Furby) and yet entertaining (for the Mrs) method to poor Mr. Furbs. She spun around and bit the offending protuberance that seems to dominate the pour soul's mind these days. The sound of poor Furbs scream was muffled by the roaring laughter of my wife. Personally I winced at the mere thought! However, Furby has not displayed much interest in Stormy since this event, at least as far as that sort of behavior goes. They still play - but he hasn't made any advances towards her in this fashion since.

Last night my wife decided to surprise my daughter and I by bringing home two new eight week old kittens, both of us having lost our feline companions in January. One was a female shorthair tabby, which my daughter promptly named Jasmine (she does have good taste in names, love the scent personally) and the other was a male shorthair tabby of an overall gray color, which I named Nyan. (Nyan is the name of a character I have played for many years in a role playing game - hey - it was my wife's idea.
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Furby again took it upon himself to greet the newcomers in similar fashion to how he introduced himself to Stormy. Unfortunately, unlike Stormy, these two are not quite so 'expressive' of their displeasure, one might say. They squawk, growl, and squirm somewhat when he grabs the scruffs of their necks, but little else. You should NEVER allow new kittens immediate exposure to the resident cats without having the kittens vet checked first, and then keeping them apart for at least 2 weeks so they can acclimate to each others' presence. Cats are not people, when they have differences, when they are stressed, they become aggressive and they fight, or they become withdrawn and sick- you don't sound like you can afford a large vet bill at all- but still you keep bringing in cats?

I've NEVER experienced anything like this. My old Smokey - he would hiss at and run away from kittens. Is Furby's behavior normal?! Furby's behavior is perfectly normal. Until he is neutered, he will continue this behavior and it will intensify during kitten season. If you let him outside, or if he gets outside he will mate with as many females as he can possibly find and he may also wind up with wounds from other tomcats desiring the females he has found.

I am afraid that he's going to wind up hurting one of these kittens in his inexplicable displays of unbridled lust. Thus my question is of course, what can we do to prevent this from happening, short of developing a set of kitten-friendly flash cards to teach these two how Stormy dealt with the issue?
Again, you keep these cats away from Furby until Furby is fixed and even afterwards because for a good many months with what he might have in "storage" he could get them pregnant after the neuter.

While I would readily accept neutering - finances at this time aren't flexible enough to allow for it. At this time we have poor old Mr. Furbs locked up in the bathroom when we're not around, with the essentials of course, but despite his antics - I'd rather not have to do that for any real duration of time. You can go here and look at the resources listed to find someone that will help you obtain a low- spay and neuter clinic-

Meowhoo.com

Is there anything else we can do to curb this lovesick tom?

Thanks in advance folks!

Regards,

Tenz

PS: While I'm on the topic of problems with cats, I figure I'll drop a line here pertaining to my mother's cat. My mother has a female shorthair, named Desi, who went into heat about two months ago. Nothing too spectacular in that by it's lonesome, normal for an unspayed female of course, except that she has still not yet fallen out of heat! What could prompt a cat to remain in heat for such an extended duration of time? My mother insists that the poor soul is merely a nympho - but I think it could be something more than that. My daughter's former cat, who died in January of this year of uterine cancer, had a similar marathon heat that spanned July and August of last year. Is this sort of marathon heat a customary symptom of early stage uterine cancer? I hope not, but I would rather my folks not get blindsided by such a horrible encounter as we had with Midnight.
I would tell you mother that her female cat needs to be spayed immediately. There is great danger in allowing a female cat to go into estrus without having a clear and logical breeding program. Since your mother is probably not a cat breeder, she should make arrangements to get Desi to a vet to be seen and assessed and spayed. There is no reason to open this cat up to all the problems she may face by having such an extensive heat period- plus if she manages to get outside, she will come back pregnant and or your mom could lose her if she runs away.

For someone with such limited funds, I would have to question your actions of bringing cats and kittens into your home YOU CAN'T PROVIDE ADEQUATE CARE FOR? If you don't have the money for a spay or neuter- how are you going to provide emergency vet care that often happens in multi-cat households?
 

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I have to agree with those who have posted, but one other comment - you say you lost a cat to uterine cancer. That could have been prevented if she had been spayed. Please do everything you can to neuter all these cats - you will save money and lives in the long run.
 
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Originally Posted by hissy

For someone with such limited funds, I would have to question your actions of bringing cats and kittens into your home YOU CAN'T PROVIDE ADEQUATE CARE FOR? If you don't have the money for a spay or neuter- how are you going to provide emergency vet care that often happens in multi-cat households?
Hello!

Thanks for the comments. I agree that bringing new kittens into the household probably wasn't such a good idea. If you had read above - each time it was without my knowledge or consent to the idea.

Admittedly, I didn't say anything to my mother about it, because her act of 'generosity' of purchasing a kitten from a pet store was touching. My wife though, who acquired these other two from a private party, she's been spoken with in regards to it and my displeasure at her actions. Had any of you bothered to read the - how did the other 'gentleman' put it? '1000 plus word high school essay', you would have seen this.

I was merely looking for some possible solution to the situation, apart from the obvious one, which we cannot yet afford. Yet time and time again, all I received was the obvious one, which we cannot afford, plus unwanted criticism in regards to our financial situation. Where I come from you do not criticize the lifestyle of other people, except perhaps with the exception of family, as it is just generally considered - rude.

IN any event, thank you all for your' time. It has sincerely opened my eyes to the general demeanor of the online cat community, one which I genuinely do not wish to any longer be a part of.

As per the cat problem, there is always one other route. My parents have had experience with violent cats before, and discovered that the sheriff in the county we reside in is always willing to provide a 9 mm cat shelter to violent and unwanted animals. Perhaps we will seek out that route with Furby - after all, we 'cannot provide adequate care for' our animals, since our finances are so limited. I truly hope you all appreciate that image, and what your' 'kind constructive comments' have led us to.

This is the first time I have ever been told that owning and loving pets was only the domain of the financially secure and wealthy.

Good evening one and all.

Signing off.

Tenz
 

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My goodness, it just went from bad to worse. If nobody suggested any alternatives, it's because none exist except for neuter. Because you recieved some critism, you are not threatening to shoot your cat?
 

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The admin, the mods, the entire team that works with the moderators and the members are all about the welfare of the cats. Most of us have seen or heard what happens to cats owned by people who do not spay and neuter. You clearly have said you cannot afford to spay and neuter- so why own more cats? Because they were brought to your home without you knowledge? Does the word NO even belong in your vocabulary? I did read you post, and I saw a great deal to be concerned with here. Cat ownership is not just for the wealthy- it is however for the responsible. I gave you links of good websites that will help you find a low cost spay and neuter clinic- my hope is you will follow through- get these cats fixed, otherwise I believe you will have some hefty vet bills in the future that could have been avoided by taking care of these cats the responsible way. We speak truths here- we don't sugarcoat the reality of having cats and not having the funds to offer them proper health care. Since you have decided to leave, this thread is closed.
 
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