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post #1 of 16
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I had to share this, I really felt a shift in our perception of what is really going on.

Every year I watch the Memorial Day Concert in DC. If you haven't seen it it takes place on the capital lawn, has music and also they honor vets, have famous actors read real letters from soldiers etc. This year was different though. For the first time they included Iraq. They read a passed soldiers letter, and then a lovely actress read his grieving wife's letter to him. What really was different was her bitterness at being thrown off the base after 6 months and also her insult at receiving $6000, which she suffered cashing.
I mean the currect joint chiefs were there, how the hell can they sleep at night knowing this? Colin Powell was there bless him. I have never politcized that concert but one couldn't ignore that. You could feel the long haul we are in over there, more deaths. We will have another wall for Iraq
dead someday.

sigh, God bless them and I hope they learn to forgive the dumb white guys who have never been near a war, who sent them over there.
post #2 of 16
1,646 fatalities so far: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...fthefallen.htm
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jcat
It's a war, it's along haul war. Let's face it folks.

I hear Nightline is going to read names again tonight, if so I will pay my respects.

You know after WWII we changed the name to "Defense Dept", why don't we change it back to "War dept"?
post #4 of 16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jcat
Another thing is that is just US casualties, we have killed many more Iraqi's.
post #5 of 16
As a Veteran and family member of a huge military family, let us remember ALL of the Military Deaths related to ALL war, conflicts and such that have protected us and let us not make it political statement. It is a day of REMBERANCE of those who we have lost.


American Revolution (1775–1783)
Total servicemembers 217,000
Battle deaths 4,435
Nonmortal woundings 6,188

War of 1812 (1812–1815)
Total servicemembers 286,730
Battle deaths 2,260
Nonmortal woundings 4,505

Indian Wars (approx. 1817–1898)
Total servicemembers 106,0001
Battle deaths 1,0001

Mexican War (1846–1848)
Total servicemembers 78,718
Battle deaths 1,733
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 11,550
Nonmortal woundings 4,152

Civil War (1861–1865)
Total servicemembers (Union) 2,213,363
Battle deaths (Union) 140,414
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Union) 224,097
Nonmortal woundings (Union) 281,881
Total servicemembers (Conf.) 1,050,000
Battle deaths (Conf.) 74,524
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Conf.) 59,2972
Nonmortal woundings (Conf.) unknown

Spanish-American War (1898–1902)
Total servicemembers 306,760
Battle deaths 385
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 2,061
Nonmortal woundings 1,662

World War I (1917–1918)
Total servicemembers 4,734,991
Battle deaths 53,402
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 63,114
Nonmortal woundings 204,002

World War II (1940–1945)
Total servicemembers 16,112,566
Battle deaths 291,557
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 113,842
Nonmortal woundings 671,846
(Note: In total, including Axis and Allies, with civilian deaths, there were an estimated 61 million were killed)

Korean War (1950–1953)
Total servicemembers 5,720,000
Serving in-theater 1,789,000
Battle deaths 33,741
Other deaths in service (theater) 2,827
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 17,730
Nonmortal woundings 103,284

Vietnam War (1964–1975)
Total servicemembers 8,744,000
Serving in-theater 3,403,000
Battle deaths 47,410
Other deaths in service (theater) 10,789
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 32,000
Nonmortal woundings 153,303

Gulf War (1990–1991)
Total servicemembers 2,183,000
Serving in-theater 665,476
Battle deaths 147
Other deaths in service (theater) 382
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 1,565
Nonmortal woundings 467


(Note: other deaths are described as from accidents, disease, or other non-combat related deaths. Source: DOD and VA)


That is up to the last Gulf War, not counting Somalia, Kosovo and other conflicts, wars and covert operations that US Troops have been involved in the past, including the current Iraqi situation. This is all I will say since the rest has sicken me that Memorial Day is being played as a political card, not a Day of Remembrance.

Rest In Peace, my brothers and sisters, who have fallen.
post #6 of 16
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I would never bring that up except for *the wife's actual letter" where SHE brought up getting kicked off the base and receiving a meager 6K. It was read on the white house lawn, and the woman who wrote it was sitting right there with her kids etc. I was quite surprised that was read, but I am sure it was out of deep respect for her loss they didnt' edit it.

I honor all vets and those fallen today. My Father was a WWII vet, as were most men in the neighborhood I grew up in. We are a blessed country for these men's courage.
post #7 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arg0
As a Veteran and family member of a huge military family, let us remember ALL of the Military Deaths related to ALL war, conflicts and such that have protected us and let us not make it political statement. It is a day of REMBERANCE of those who we have lost.
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Rest In Peace, my brothers and sisters, who have fallen.
Thank you, so very much. I am proud to have had family who put it on the line in the American Revolution, to my dad in World War II, my Uncle in the Korean War, my dh and several brothers-in-law in the Gulf War, Kosovo and the current Iraq war.
post #8 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arg0
As a Veteran and family member of a huge military family, let us remember ALL of the Military Deaths related to ALL war, conflicts and such that have protected us and let us not make it political statement. It is a day of REMBERANCE of those who we have lost.


American Revolution (1775–1783)
Total servicemembers 217,000
Battle deaths 4,435
Nonmortal woundings 6,188

War of 1812 (1812–1815)
Total servicemembers 286,730
Battle deaths 2,260
Nonmortal woundings 4,505

Indian Wars (approx. 1817–1898)
Total servicemembers 106,0001
Battle deaths 1,0001

Mexican War (1846–1848)
Total servicemembers 78,718
Battle deaths 1,733
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 11,550
Nonmortal woundings 4,152

Civil War (1861–1865)
Total servicemembers (Union) 2,213,363
Battle deaths (Union) 140,414
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Union) 224,097
Nonmortal woundings (Union) 281,881
Total servicemembers (Conf.) 1,050,000
Battle deaths (Conf.) 74,524
Other deaths in service (nontheater) (Conf.) 59,2972
Nonmortal woundings (Conf.) unknown

Spanish-American War (1898–1902)
Total servicemembers 306,760
Battle deaths 385
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 2,061
Nonmortal woundings 1,662

World War I (1917–1918)
Total servicemembers 4,734,991
Battle deaths 53,402
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 63,114
Nonmortal woundings 204,002

World War II (1940–1945)
Total servicemembers 16,112,566
Battle deaths 291,557
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 113,842
Nonmortal woundings 671,846
(Note: In total, including Axis and Allies, with civilian deaths, there were an estimated 61 million were killed)

Korean War (1950–1953)
Total servicemembers 5,720,000
Serving in-theater 1,789,000
Battle deaths 33,741
Other deaths in service (theater) 2,827
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 17,730
Nonmortal woundings 103,284

Vietnam War (1964–1975)
Total servicemembers 8,744,000
Serving in-theater 3,403,000
Battle deaths 47,410
Other deaths in service (theater) 10,789
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 32,000
Nonmortal woundings 153,303

Gulf War (1990–1991)
Total servicemembers 2,183,000
Serving in-theater 665,476
Battle deaths 147
Other deaths in service (theater) 382
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 1,565
Nonmortal woundings 467


(Note: other deaths are described as from accidents, disease, or other non-combat related deaths. Source: DOD and VA)


That is up to the last Gulf War, not counting Somalia, Kosovo and other conflicts, wars and covert operations that US Troops have been involved in the past, including the current Iraqi situation. This is all I will say since the rest has sicken me that Memorial Day is being played as a political card, not a Day of Remembrance.

Rest In Peace, my brothers and sisters, who have fallen.
Excuse me, but what gives you the right to judge the losses other families have suffered in past and present conflicts? You may be an "Army brat"; I'm an "Air Force and Marine brat", and I find your statements rather presumptuous. Do you honestly think that your family was the only one to sacrifice family members? You consider yourself a veteran - where did you face death? I've lost a h**l of a lot of family members through war, so who are you to take offense at my criticism of what's going on in Iraq? Go ahead and pat Bush on the back - would you be willing to fight his war in Iraq? And die, although no WMDs have been found? You're smarter than that, or at least I hope so, for your wife's sake!
post #9 of 16
Memorial Day should be just that - a day of rememberance to those who have served in the US Military, and especially those who have lost their lives in doing so.

Can we PLEASE take one day from the bickering and personal issues in here about what conflicts were justified and who are the villains to honor those who protect this great country?

Bless everyone who has served, and RIP to those who have fallen in the line of duty or otherwise.
post #10 of 16
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Actually I heard a wise man say while it's important to have this time, we may best serve those who passed by bringing this stuff up at times like this. Otherwise we sort of pave the way for more suffering by making it too sacred to talk about these things.

I honor all the fallen but I am not going to ignore some woman's plight after her country ignored her...yes ignored her...after her husband gave his life for us all.
post #11 of 16
Thank you, ArgO, for your service. And to all the others on the board who have served, are serving, or are married to service members.

My first spouse was in the military, and we never lived on base. As I was watching last night, I wondered how long she wanted to stay on the base after her husband was killed. I understand wanting more money, after all a million dollars cannot replace the love of a husband. I hope she hooks up with some of the groups raising money for families of fallen soldiers. But living on base? Shudder! Still, I honor her for her sacrifice, as they say, some gave all.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by Marge
Actually I heard a wise man say while it's important to have this time, we may best serve those who passed by bringing this stuff up at times like this. Otherwise we sort of pave the way for more suffering by making it too sacred to talk about these things.

I honor all the fallen but I am not going to ignore some woman's plight after her country ignored her...yes ignored her...after her husband gave his life for us all.
It seems to me that every day is a good day to bring up the "failings" of this administration, but it takes a special or at least designated day to pay tribute to the military and the veterans.

As for the government "ignoring" this woman, I would venture a bet that the 6 month limit has been in place for many, many administrations. Admittedly, $6000 does seem a pittance, but do we know if she got any life insurance payment, or if that is a standard pre-set amount that has also been in place for many administrations?
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by valanhb
It seems to me that every day is a good day to bring up the "failings" of this administration, but it takes a special or at least designated day to pay tribute to the military and the veterans.

As for the government "ignoring" this woman, I would venture a bet that the 6 month limit has been in place for many, many administrations. Admittedly, $6000 does seem a pittance, but do we know if she got any life insurance payment, or if that is a standard pre-set amount that has also been in place for many administrations?
I'd say this if it were Clinton, or FDR, or whoever. Love of Country does not mean shut of mouth.

Did you hear how Dick "I can't have a heart condition cause I don't actually have a heart" Cheney put down the Amnesty International's report, instead of being a man about it and looking into it he dismisses it.
post #14 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by valanhb
Memorial Day should be just that - a day of rememberance to those who have served in the US Military, and especially those who have lost their lives in doing so.

Can we PLEASE take one day from the bickering and personal issues in here about what conflicts were justified and who are the villains to honor those who protect this great country?

Bless everyone who has served, and RIP to those who have fallen in the line of duty or otherwise.
Well said!
post #15 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by valanhb
Admittedly, $6000 does seem a pittance, but do we know if she got any life insurance payment, or if that is a standard pre-set amount that has also been in place for many administrations?
Heidi, I don't have the figures (I heard $8,000, but also $10,000), but my understanding is that the amount has been raised, or is supposed to be raised. I celebrated Memorial Day at an afternoon BBQ with a whole bunch of G.I.s stationed here (one of my students, a U.S. serviceman, invited us), and the vast majority of them had been in Afghanistan and/or Iraq. I really wonder if Bush is aware of the amount of anger these kids (most of them seemed really young to me) are harboring? The complaint of those who were in Afghanistan: not enough "bodies" or materiél; bin Laden could have been captured early on with enough resources, but they were diverted to Iraq. Iraq:" ':censor::censor::censor:' are we doing there? They hate us, and I can't blame them." One guy, in his very early 20s and extremely drunk, spent almost half an hour telling me that AF's votes in the last elections were manipulated. The gist was that anybody who needed help casting their ballots was advised by Bush supporters, and ignored if they expressed any sort of criticism of the current administration or support for Kerry. I'm still in a very morose mood. I went to the BBQ with the resolution that I wasn't going to say anything in the least bit critical of the attack on Iraq, and found that my resolution was pretty stupid - all you have to do is listen and get a report from the "horse's mouth"!
The topper for me was an email from one of my nieces this past weekend (Sunday): Her best friend, whose boyfriend (U.S. Marines) was shipped off to Irak last August, just received notice that he "died in the line of duty". He would have celebrated his 22nd birthday on June 10th. I am extremely p.o.'d about this war, and feel that it's my obligation, as a U:S. citizen, to critcize it at any given opportunity, It's absolutely abhorrent to ask people to sacrifice their lives for the sake of financial gains/OIL CONTRACTS, and morallly reprehensible to compare the Vietnam "Conflict", where U.S. intervention was requested by the South Vietnamese government, to the invasion of Iraq.
post #16 of 16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jcat
Heidi, I don't have the figures (I heard $8,000, but also $10,000), but my understanding is that the amount has been raised, or is supposed to be raised. I celebrated Memorial Day at an afternoon BBQ with a whole bunch of G.I.s stationed here (one of my students, a U.S. serviceman, invited us), and the vast majority of them had been in Afghanistan and/or Iraq. I really wonder if Bush is aware of the amount of anger these kids (most of them seemed really young to me) are harboring? The complaint of those who were in Afghanistan: not enough "bodies" or materiél; bin Laden could have been captured early on with enough resources, but they were diverted to Iraq. Iraq:" ':censor::censor::censor:' are we doing there? They hate us, and I can't blame them." One guy, in his very early 20s and extremely drunk, spent almost half an hour telling me that AF's votes in the last elections were manipulated. The gist was that anybody who needed help casting their ballots was advised by Bush supporters, and ignored if they expressed any sort of criticism of the current administration or support for Kerry. I'm still in a very morose mood. I went to the BBQ with the resolution that I wasn't going to say anything in the least bit critical of the attack on Iraq, and found that my resolution was pretty stupid - all you have to do is listen and get a report from the "horse's mouth"!
The topper for me was an email from one of my nieces this past weekend (Sunday): Her best friend, whose boyfriend (U.S. Marines) was shipped off to Irak last August, just received notice that he "died in the line of duty". He would have celebrated his 22nd birthday on June 10th. I am extremely p.o.'d about this war, and feel that it's my obligation, as a U:S. citizen, to critcize it at any given opportunity, It's absolutely abhorrent to ask people to sacrifice their lives for the sake of financial gains/OIL CONTRACTS, and morallly reprehensible to compare the Vietnam "Conflict", where U.S. intervention was requested by the South Vietnamese government, to the invasion of Iraq.

I think that the GI's who have died in wars would want us to always listen to their living comrades.
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