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post #1 of 20
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This story is all over the New York air waves today. It's not just a New York problem however, since Medicaid is nation-wide program. Stuff like this really burns me up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/05-23-200...p-267072c.html
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post #3 of 20
I saw that this morning on CNN.com, and it burns me up too. Why are my tax dollars being spent like that?!?!?

Honestly, the whole Viagra/ED medication being covered by every insurance, including Medicaid, just burns me up. Particularly when insurance still won't cover stop-smoking or weight loss assistance either by medication or counceling/nutritionist/therapy, most won't cover ongoing psycho-therapy, chiropractors are still seen as quacks by insurance, and even a staple like birth control is questionable to some insurance companies. But by god if Joe Blow even says he's having issues "down there" then hook him up! That's a serious medical condition that simply cannot go untreated!
post #4 of 20
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Originally Posted by valanhb
I saw that this morning on CNN.com, and it burns me up too. Why are my tax dollars being spent like that?!?!?

Honestly, the whole Viagra/ED medication being covered by every insurance, including Medicaid, just burns me up. Particularly when insurance still won't cover stop-smoking or weight loss assistance either by medication or counceling/nutritionist/therapy, most won't cover ongoing psycho-therapy, chiropractors are still seen as quacks by insurance, and even a staple like birth control is questionable to some insurance companies. But by god if Joe Blow even says he's having issues "down there" then hook him up! That's a serious medical condition that simply cannot go untreated!
I don't get it either. SEX OFFENDERS getting Viagra through medicaid is by far the worst of Viagra abuse, but I agree with your point about insurance as well.

I know a man who is well... quite promiscuous. FOR NO REASON his doctor offered Viagra. Yes, he has insurance. This is appaling.
post #5 of 20
I find the whole idea of sex offenders getting Viagra at all outrageous, but for Medicaid to pay....
post #6 of 20
Wow, that is pretty messed up.
post #7 of 20
My two cents: This is outrageous. I am sickened that my tax money is going to give sex offenders "loaded guns" so to speak. I'd be interested to know what we can do to stop it.
post #8 of 20
That is plain SICK!!!!!!!!

Who on earth comes up with this sh**!!!!!!!!!!
post #9 of 20
Ok Viagra is for recreation only and should not be precribed at all let alone for prisoners. There are more important things out there then making sure a guy's dick works. And the fact that they are giving this stuff to sex offenders is INSANE!!!!!!!!
post #10 of 20
What is happening here is that we are being manipulated by the media.

They are using "shock" headlines as partial truth to get our attention, and it, obviously is working.

The media do not consider whether or not the information being passed is being accurately portrayed or not, and whether or not it is doing any good for the public to be made aware of what they are printing/telling, they just want good ratings, pure and simple.

The WHOLE truth is, that "sex offenders", like mechanics, catholics, postal workers, nose pickers, and EVERYONE else covered by the law are entitled to prescription medication benefits, but to say that "farmers are entitled to coverage for heart medication" does not get the "shock" or headlines that saying "sex offenders get viagra" does.

The same thing would apply if it was reported that "sex offenders get to look at little girls in bathing suits", which interpreted down to common sense, simply means that sex offenders have not had their eyeballs plucked out, and have the right to drive by a swimming pool.

Try to be aware of what is NOT being said as much as what IS reported, because the media, while not outwardly LYING to us, certainly are misrepresenting the truth, and only tell that portion of it calculated to get our attention, and regrettably, it all too often works, case in point, the present topic.

Be a thinking person, not a gullible sheep led by the nose by an uncaring media that only propagandazizes for their own selfish benefit.

If the law allowing prescription medication benefits needs tweaking, then by all means inform your duly elected representatives, but be aware that the track record of the media toward truth and justice is somewhat less than adequate.

Leonard
post #11 of 20
::censor::censor::censor:: no that is rediculous! i don't get perscription medication benefits!! we're a family of five living on a one person income, and i have to take prescription medication, it costs me $70/month, my mother pays for it for me because i can't afford it!! i don't qualify for that and to think that a sex offender does, just to get his willies off, really burns me! what happened to the days when we layed their willie on a butcher block and lobbed it off with an axe? i'm sorry...i have no pity whatsoever for sex offenders! i've been raped, and know many others who have as well, and this really makes me mad!
post #12 of 20
Quite frankly, I don't think that I, as a taxpayer, should be paying for anyone to get Viagra or similar drugs. As much as it is harmful to a man's ego, it isn't a life-threatening issue. It's a pleasure issue, and I don't think Medicaid should cover it. I don't think any insurance should cover it until they figure out that weight loss and smoking cessation and mental health and even chiropractic care is MORE IMPORTANT and beneficial than whether a man can get it up or not.

You know, there are laws preventing any felon from owning a gun. Would you give a bank robber a pistol with a shake of a finger saying, "Now don't go hold anyone up with this, OK?" Why give a rapist or child molester his weapon in a nice little blue pill - free of charge and on MY dime?

Sorry Leonard, but you're off mark on this one. If ANY sex offender is getting sexual enhancing drugs like Viagra, we should be outraged. It should make the news. And yes, the law needs to change, but we would have never known of the problem without the press reporting on what the New York State Comptroller found.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Quite frankly, I don't think that I, as a taxpayer, should be paying for anyone to get Viagra or similar drugs. As much as it is harmful to a man's ego, it isn't a life-threatening issue. It's a pleasure issue, and I don't think Medicaid should cover it. I don't think any insurance should cover it until they figure out that weight loss and smoking cessation and mental health and even chiropractic care is MORE IMPORTANT and beneficial than whether a man can get it up or not.

You know, there are laws preventing any felon from owning a gun. Would you give a bank robber a pistol with a shake of a finger saying, "Now don't go hold anyone up with this, OK?" Why give a rapist or child molester his weapon in a nice little blue pill - free of charge and on MY dime?

Sorry Leonard, but you're off mark on this one. If ANY sex offender is getting sexual enhancing drugs like Viagra, we should be outraged. It should make the news. And yes, the law needs to change, but we would have never known of the problem without the press reporting on what the New York State Comptroller found.
WELL SAID!!
post #14 of 20
This is now international news: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4573323.stm
I really expect most states will take a hard look at their current Medicaid policies and make the necessary changes.
post #15 of 20
Goodness why NOT free medication. We give them FREE education, FREE room and board, they get all the illicit drugs in prison they want or need, so why not FREE prescription drugs?

They get so much more than the people on the poverty line and starving kids - it's always been this way and not likely to change. Sad but true!
post #16 of 20
I am going to look at this at a slightly different angle. We all know they they dont need viagra. That has been said. What hasnt been said is that the other people on medicaid have to make choices between their meds and food. There are plenty of elderly people out that that have perscriptions that cost well over $200 a month. Medicaid does not pay for all of this. When they have to decide whether they want to take their heart meds or eat, that is where the problem is. Think about how many people in this situation that could be helped if the system wasnt being abused by people who shouldnt be taking drugs (like sex offenders and viagra). This is not an extreme case either, there are hundreds of elderly people who have to make these choices each and every month. I encourage you to look at that side as well. If there are 4 apples and group a takes 2 apples, and group b needs three apples it doesnt matter because group a took 2 apples. Here is the kicker, like the sex offenders dont need viagra, group a doesnt really need their apples, while group b hasnt eaten in three days. I may have just confused people but do you guys at least get my point?
post #17 of 20
To be a bit of a devil's advocate here, but not knowing the full story (I will withhold much of my judgement until I hear more to it than sensational headlines...)

I wonder if this is somehow related to treatment/medical condition...

Now before you all get your claws out! ....

Having worked in a sex offender unit (but also knowing that the system in the US is vastly different than ours), much has been discussed and studied regarding
'Chemical castration'....

Many of you may be thinking "chemical!! why it should be physical..off with it!!"

The problem there is 1) physical castration won't happen..and therefore its academic to dispute or rally for it. and 2) my main point--

Chemical castration has shown that in many violent offenders it can be more detrimental to the population at risk or for victims...If an offender is taking the chemical cocktail, but still has the same sexual urges but cannot act upon them (in any way, deviant or not), that offender is more likely to become violent due to extreme frustration.
In certain cases, its believed that offenders then have the potential to hurt far beyond, with potentially fatal consequences...

THUS, I wonder if the viagra is involved in their rehab therapy in terms of directing their attentions to healthy sexual outlets rather than deviant violent fantasies due to frustration or feeling of inadequacy??

For those of you who live in Canada, a good point to know here is that most offenders residing in jail are not offenders of children. They are offenders of adult women and or men.

I don't know if the system is mirrored in the US but I would venture to say that it is likely.

Simply put, children don't make good witnesses. It is much easier to put an offender of adults in jail than offenders of children...Sad, but true.

This may be just an idea way out on a limb but I do wonder.

Again, this is not to say I am for it or against it...Just throwing a different hat into the ring.
post #18 of 20
Good post, Lovey, however a gentle correction, if I may, castration would not be the removal of "it", but rather, "them".

You know, you also made another good point when you suggested that while the weapon of choice might be his own "equipment" and removal of or causing it to be rendered ineffective would likely cause the bad guy to use other means/weapons, you did not carry the situation to an acceptable point in the continuum of resolution, and that would be the total isolation of the offender from the rest of society.

I think it is time that the whole idea of our system of incarceration be re-thought, and a possible solution would be to pick an island that would support and sustain a population of, say, 100,000, and put all the really naughty persons on the island, for life (or death) and patrol the island with naval ships who, after all, have to be somewhere, so why not there, and if anyone tries to leave the island, then some target practice would be in order.

The best of the worst would immediately declare themselves King, but who cares ?

They would likely set up a Soylent factory, but again, who cares ?

Just so they are out of our hair (and pocketbook) would be great.

Leonard.
post #19 of 20
Thanks for the correction, Leonard.
You know, its been a problem since my youth when I visualized the act of castration as lopping "IT" off with some type of dull large mexican knife usually intended for hacking your way through dense brush...

Maybe I grew up in the Bobbitt era?

Your idea is not an uncommon one.
Though I wouldn't hesitate to remark that a US naval fleet, and a small island would cost equally as much if not more than a scrip for Viagra.

Though the Lord of the Flies kingdom you imagine would be an interesting study in Sociology, not to mention big bucks in the pockets of unscrupulous Reality TV producers.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by winwin
Good post, Lovey, however a gentle correction, if I may, castration would not be the removal of "it", but rather, "them".

Leonard.
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