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post #91 of 102
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Originally Posted by gayef View Post
It really isn't about just what the cat looks like ... individual breeds normally also possess similar behavioral traits. Sometimes people like to know that they will be getting an extremely active, athletic, vocal, full-of-pi$$-and-vinegar Seal Point Siamese cat because they had one they were particularly fond of as a young person or whatever. Looks are not the only thing that make up a breed.

Exactly. Many people are creatures of habit. Many grow up with a calico, a siamese, a tailless, a big shaggy lovebug of a cat with a tiny voice, etc. and seek that familiarity later in life.

Personally, I've found that I like fluffy (mediumhaired/single coated longhair), laid-back cats who aren't needy (is able to amuse itself whether or not I'm around, but is still affectionate), and aren't very vocal (or have soft voices when they are), and aren't overly dominant with other cats.

If given my pick of a roomful of cats, that is the one I would start out seeking every time.

It's not too different from breed preference/selection.
post #92 of 102
I finally figured out my point on breeders/breeding! Yeah me Takes me awhile sometimes. lol

How can you justify your own want and your own need to the fact that thousands of kittens/cat are being euthanized every single day in the US due to over population?

If I knew that fact alone ( which I do since I live it ) but if I was just an outsider in the world. If I knew that so many kittens/cats were being put down day after day..Then how could I just go out and "buy" a cat from a breeder knowing that fact alone. I would feel guilty, really guilty.

And I guess that is the part I really don't get.
post #93 of 102
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Originally Posted by gayef View Post
It really isn't about just what the cat looks like ... individual breeds normally also possess similar behavioral traits. Sometimes people like to know that they will be getting an extremely active, athletic, vocal, full-of-pi$$-and-vinegar Seal Point Siamese cat because they had one they were particularly fond of as a young person or whatever. Looks are not the only thing that make up a breed.
And, see, this is always my counter-point to that: I have an extremely vocal, active, lithe, full of pi$$-and-vinegar moggie. Cat breeds were developed, either naturally or through human intervention (and don't even get my started on how I feel about CREATING breeds), from the general felis silvestris catus population. Everything you can find in a purebred cat, from points to vocalization to color to hair length to activity level, you can find in a standard-breed domestic cat. This is also why I hate the language "mixed breed"....these cats are NOT mixes of purebreeds, but rather, just sort of stand alone domestic cats. Standard breeds.

So whenever anyone tries to make the point the Gaye is trying to make, I always tell tham about Raphael, the wannabe meezer. I still think breeding is wasteful. We just found 2 new ferals this morning trying to get into the attic, totally intact and totally terrified of people.
post #94 of 102
I am with Booktiger on the scanning issue... In my area only a few vets have scanners and only one of the shelters does... This is the only reason my girls arent microchipped... All are spayed ..lol.. I asked if you could spay a fish
post #95 of 102
Does anyone knows of a group in central Florida who spays and neuters cats to release them back.

I am affraid that if I catch a wild cat that is in my yard to spay her I will have to stay with her for at least a week before I can release her back. During such time, I know I am going to get attached to her or her to me. And when I release her back to my back yard she would want to come back inside the house.

I would feel so devestated if I see her with kittens again next year.

Hope you can help.
post #96 of 102
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Originally Posted by gayef View Post
It isn't an out-of-reach dream but there are currently problems with it. I have wanted to do this (as well as pediatric s/n) on the kittens leaving my home for a long time now. The problem currently in chipping my kittens with ~my~ information is that in just about every state in the US, the laws around the purchase of animals are such that it wouldn't be legal for me to do so. Once the new families take possession of the kitten, I can no longer claim ANY rights to it ~legally~. I do have them sign an agreement that they are to call me first in the event they find they cannot keep the kitten for whatever reason, and no questions asked, I will ALWAYS take it back into my home. I also have them sign the agreement that if they do decide to chip the kitten themselves, they will include my contact information as secondary point of contact.
That is really interesting, I never knew that. Every shelter/rescuer around here that microchips keeps the shelter/rescuer on as one of the contacts just in case. Not necessarily to claim ownership, but just to know and if the cat is sitting at the pound to be euthanized they can go and get it and contact the adopters and find out what happened. But in the few cases were another shelter picked up the animal, most are fine with returning it to the original shelter that adopted it out in the first place.

I have an opportunity to microchip all my cats next week for $10 each and I an debating whether or not I should do it.
post #97 of 102
yeah I totally agree with people being irresponsible pet owners, especially in cities. Lke they say, pets aren't christmas presents, they are for a lifetime.

Anyway now I've given my opinion, I'm still unsure to the procedure of spaying/neutering. I mean, is it 'humane'? Personally I'd be horrified if someone forced me to be 'spayed' (vasectomy in other words lol) without my consent. What do you guys think?
post #98 of 102
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Originally Posted by catsrcul View Post
yeah I totally agree with people being irresponsible pet owners, especially in cities. Lke they say, pets aren't christmas presents, they are for a lifetime.

Anyway now I've given my opinion, I'm still unsure to the procedure of spaying/neutering. I mean, is it 'humane'? Personally I'd be horrified if someone forced me to be 'spayed' (vasectomy in other words lol) without my consent. What do you guys think?
It is very humane .. since UNLIKE you and I cats dont go and find a partner for life or evan choose a mate... they go by smell and who is avail at there right time...
post #99 of 102
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Originally Posted by catsrcul View Post
yeah I totally agree with people being irresponsible pet owners, especially in cities. Lke they say, pets aren't christmas presents, they are for a lifetime.

Anyway now I've given my opinion, I'm still unsure to the procedure of spaying/neutering. I mean, is it 'humane'? Personally I'd be horrified if someone forced me to be 'spayed' (vasectomy in other words lol) without my consent. What do you guys think?
cats breed out of instinct, not choice, or for pleasure
post #100 of 102
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Originally Posted by catsrcul View Post
Anyway now I've given my opinion, I'm still unsure to the procedure of spaying/neutering. I mean, is it 'humane'? Personally I'd be horrified if someone forced me to be 'spayed' (vasectomy in other words lol) without my consent. What do you guys think?
It's less about you being 'forced' to be spayed and more about being forced to have child after child after child. My apologies for humanizing this but: Imagine that every time you finally gave birth you were pregnant again within a month. You can't help it, it's just in your nature. But eventually your body will get exhausted. If you didn't have children, you would suffer every month with your instinct to mate and going without becoming pregnant. You would get NO relief from your instincts. It sounds awful to me, personally, I'd much rather be spayed and live a happy comfy life without having to worry about things like that.

We have a responsibility to domestic cats (to all domestic animals) to keep them well and healthy by spaying and neutering them to control their population. I can assure you, my mother's boy kitties are HAPPY, HEALTHY, LOVING beasties who are clearly enjoying life in the lap of kitty luxury. And they were all neutered.

It means they don't feel compelled to go and fight for their food, their ladycats, their territory. Thankfully they don't feel the need to spray EVERYTHING.

In the end, spaying and neutering makes not only the cats happier but it also makes their people happier. I like having well adjusted cats and they like having me!
post #101 of 102
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Originally Posted by Breal76 View Post
How can you justify your own want and your own need to the fact that thousands of kittens/cat are being euthanized every single day in the US due to over population?
Sorry, just had to respond to this.

I think it's wrong to do ANY kind of charity or kindness that will eventually cause you to resent the ones you do charity for. Many people do charity work because they WANT to and it makes them feel fulfilled. Rescuing cats IS a want and need for some people.

Not everyone's wants and needs are the same. I want to rescue cats tons of cats. I wish I could take in dozens but I think my husband would leave me if I did that to him because that is simply not the life he envisioned for us. Is that selfish of me? Is it wrong to put my marriage before saving the life of a cat? How much should I sacrifice before my needs become important?

This is something I think others often overlook. I can promise you that almost every rescuer saves cats because they WANT and because they feel it is important. Not because they feel obligated to. I think very few people do charity work out of a sense of obligation. They do good because in turn it makes them feel good to help others.

Seriously, people can sacrifice until they are bled dry. It's a kindness to respect that not everyone's limits are the same. Hope that makes sense. I just think one has to respect the wants and needs of others. No one should be forced to adopt more cats out of a sense of obligation. It should be done because you want to.

Whew, I'm long winded, hope that makes sense. Again, this is just my opinion, I'm sure not everyone shares it.
post #102 of 102
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Originally Posted by catsrcul View Post
yeah I totally agree with people being irresponsible pet owners, especially in cities. Lke they say, pets aren't christmas presents, they are for a lifetime.

Anyway now I've given my opinion, I'm still unsure to the procedure of spaying/neutering. I mean, is it 'humane'? Personally I'd be horrified if someone forced me to be 'spayed' (vasectomy in other words lol) without my consent. What do you guys think?

Spaying is very humane, I took on a 14yo unspayed female a couple of years ago, and sadly, she had mammary cancer due to never being spayed, despite the fact her organs were in perfect condition for her age, I had to have her pts due to the cancer. Plus the fact I had to hear her go into heat on a regular basis, which isn't pleasant. Add to that, the other health implications such as pyometra (which can kill), uterine cancer, ovarian cancer, testicular cancer, prostrate cancer, and if they are out and mating, FIV, FeLV, abscesses, car injuries, getting lost, it is easy to see just how humane a simple operation is that will give them a good life rather than one fuelled by hormones.
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