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post #31 of 57
I would think that groomers are much less knowledgable about anaesthetic than vets are.
Sorry to hear you lost your dog...

But as to the question: Vaccines and anaesthesia are completely different ballparks.
CJandBilly: I would get a second opinion on getting the cat spayed.
post #32 of 57
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
I would think that groomers are much less knowledgable about anaesthetic than vets are.
Sorry to hear you lost your dog...

But as to the question: Vaccines and anaesthesia are completely different ballparks.
CJandBilly: I would get a second opinion on getting the cat spayed.
at are vets there a grooming system in it to she its the same ppl doing it
post #33 of 57
All I have left to say is that if you saw your cat the way I saw CJ, you would understand. To see your cat... day 1, won't eat, drink, and if you touch her, she screams in pain. Day 2, won't eat, drink, and if you touch her, she screams in pain. Day 3, sips a tiny bit of water once, nibbles a bit, and if you touch her, she screams in pain. Day 4, drinks more, eats a little more, and if you touch her she flinches away. Day 5, finally back to what would be considered a little less than normal, but finally I know she won't die.

I thought CJ was going to die. My parents did, too. I was scared for her life. She only got 1 series of her vaccinations, when she required two, because I am afraid to do it again. I know that anesthesia is not the same as vaccinations, but the reaction can be worse. I am frightened, and that's that. I'm not going to do something when I'm frightened, thinking death will be the outcome. That's that, I'm unsubscribing from this thread, because I don't want this to get heated. All I ask is that you don't judge me, because you just don't know all the facts. Good-bye, and good luck Jelani, with your cat and her kittens.

Cassie
post #34 of 57
think this post has gone of topic now
post #35 of 57
I understand that this post is way off-topic but I feel it necessary to respond to Cassie's statement that her cat will die under anaesthetic. This reasoning is absolutely false and not based in any kind of logic.

Vaccines are given to stimulate a response of the immune system. Pain at the injection site, fever, lethargy, and anorexia are all considered NORMAL reactions to a vaccine. Presence of these symptoms indicates an immune system response, thus, THE VACCINE WORKED! An animal that has had a NORMAL reaction to a vaccine has no higher a risk than any other animal.

Occasionally, animals (and People) have abnormal reactions such as anaphylaxis (hypotension, vomiting, extreme lethargy, facial swelling, or hives) to a vaccine. These occurances are rare and usually occur within the first 15-45 minutes post vaccination. With prompt veterinary care these animals recover. Future vaccines should be given with caution and spaced further apart. These animals are also no more at risk for anaesthesia.

If you are at all concerned about the risk your animal faces under anaesthesia you should discuss these concerns with your vet. Pre-anaesthetic bloodwork will increase safety as will having an IV catheter placed prior to the procedure.
post #36 of 57
[quote=Dr. Doolittle]I understand that this post is way off-topic but I feel it necessary to respond to Cassie's statement that her cat will die under anaesthetic. This reasoning is absolutely false and not based in any kind of logic.

if cassie has been told this by her vet who she sees ,then why should she have reason not to belive him/her as she trust him/her
post #37 of 57
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Originally Posted by Dr. Doolittle
If you are at all concerned about the risk your animal faces under anaesthesia you should discuss these concerns with your vet. Pre-anaesthetic bloodwork will increase safety as will having an IV catheter placed prior to the procedure.
Okay, CJ did have what I would consider extreme lethargy. When she sits in a corner for 3 days, and screams if you touch her, yeah... that's my definition of bad.
Also, I did talk to my vet, and she completely understands about it, and said that it's fine if I don't spay her, and that she understands. Someone here told me that they'd give her antihisemine to counter-act it (the vaccines)... well, they were wrong. I talked to her about that too. My vet doesn't seem concerned about the fact that CJ is not, and WILL NOT be spayed.

Like I said above, don't judge me when you don't know all the facts.

Now, can we please get back to the question initially asked by Jelani?
post #38 of 57
Cassie....electing not to have your cat spayed is your choice...I'm glad that Dr. Dolittle was able to clarify the difference between vaccines and anaesthesia. You will have to be incredibly vigilent from this point forward. Having the male cat neutered is only part of the issue...you will need to make sure your female has absolutely no way of getting out...ever.

Katie
post #39 of 57
i forgot what the question was now lol
post #40 of 57
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Originally Posted by jelani
Ok..My cat Princess was always skinnier than my other cat Scotty and never ever ate as much as Scotty...Slowly I've notices shes been getting bigger and bigger....Yesterday when I was rubbing her stomach I felt her nipples which I havent felt before. I've come to conclusion she is pregnant... The Cats are mine..im 17 and mom doenst like cats but i've convinced her to let me have them...I've created a small corner where the sleep and eat.. When she delivers...Is it wrong to give away her kittens? or is there a period of time they stay with her momma? Also her and Scotty are brother and sister..Is there any chance she reproduced together?
That's her question.
post #41 of 57
i think she trying to talk her mom in to letting her be spayed
post #42 of 57
Gailail- No where in Cassies posts did she state that her vet told her NOT to have the cat spayed. Her vet is understanding of her fears- I responded because these fears are not based in medical fact.

Cassie- By extreme lethargy I mean that the animal collapses in the reception area of the clinic or the parking lot. These reactions occur with in 15-45 minutes of the vaccine being administered and result in death without treatment. You cat had a normal vaccine reaction.
post #43 of 57
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Originally Posted by gailail
i think she trying to talk her mom in to letting her be spayed
I don't know... they way she said it, her mom was pretty adament about no abortions.
post #44 of 57
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Originally Posted by CJandBilly
That's her question.
That was addressed sometime back in the post....many posters suggested she get the female fixed. Her mom was against that..then there was a whole subset discussion about brother/sister mating that lead here. So, her initial questions were addressed.

Katie
post #45 of 57
Then why didn't Billy have anything like a reaction as CJ did? As far as I see it, CJ's reaction was not normal, no matter how many cats have bad reactions.
post #46 of 57
Every animal is different. It is possible that Billy had a similar reaction but his behaviour was different so you didn't notice. Some animals have a reaction on the first vaccine, some to their boosters.
When my tech class was vaccinated for rabies, some people never felt ill. Some got VERY sick. Some got sick on the virst vaccine, some on the second. I got really sick on the third and the symptoms lasted for a few days.
post #47 of 57
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Originally Posted by TNR1
That was addressed sometime back in the post....many posters suggested she get the female fixed. Her mom was against that..then there was a whole subset discussion about brother/sister mating that lead here. So, her initial questions were addressed.

Katie

in that case not you think its fair the have this thread closed as not fair on cassie everyone judging her
post #48 of 57
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Originally Posted by Dr. Doolittle
Every animal is different. It is possible that Billy had a similar reaction but his behaviour was different so you didn't notice. Some animals have a reaction on the first vaccine, some to their boosters.
When my tech class was vaccinated for rabies, some people never felt ill. Some got VERY sick. Some got sick on the virst vaccine, some on the second. I got really sick on the third and the symptoms lasted for a few days.

i do my jabs my self because you can do it uk i buy it from vet and give it to kittens at right time

and have all been fine
post #49 of 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Doolittle
Every animal is different. It is possible that Billy had a similar reaction but his behaviour was different so you didn't notice. Some animals have a reaction on the first vaccine, some to their boosters.
When my tech class was vaccinated for rabies, some people never felt ill. Some got VERY sick. Some got sick on the virst vaccine, some on the second. I got really sick on the third and the symptoms lasted for a few days.
Billy ran and jumped and skipped and played, and pigged out, and drank, and was perfectly normal. They are littermates, too. It's just how I feel. I don't want to get her spayed, so she will not get spayed because of the way I feel, and as far as I see it, she's my cat, and I will do how I feel. Not meaning it rudely, but, that's my view, here, and it's futile to convince me to do something that I feel endangers CJ's life.

So, Jelani, how's it all going? Have you and your mother made a decision yet?
post #50 of 57


sorry guys but i agree with cassie
post #51 of 57
yet let as know how shes going
post #52 of 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by gailail
i do my jabs my self because you can do it uk i buy it from vet and give it to kittens at right time

and have all been fine
Lucky you...I quit doing kitten shots soon after(when I was having litters as part of a breeding program) having a kitten (only one out of the 3 siblings I did that day reacted) have a reaction to his felv vaccine - high fever, extreme lethargy, rapid breathing - all in under an hour. He pulled through, and for the next couple of years, would receive vaccines at the vets, with benadryl (an antihistamine).

It just took one experience of almost losing one very special baby - who went on to have a major impact on his breed thanks to one son he sired - to decide I'd rather have shots at the vets and give my kitten buyers the knowledge that their babies had had several full exams.
post #53 of 57
There is concern in giving your own shots as well. VAS is a concern, certain vaccines should be introduced while at room temperature, are you giving live or dead vaccines? All those issues need to be researched prior to giving shots just to "save money." If it costs the life of the animal what have you gained?
post #54 of 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by gailail
i do my jabs my self because you can do it uk i buy it from vet and give it to kittens at right time

and have all been fine
*Cringes*
Definately NOT the safe way to go.
post #55 of 57
oh well all us breeders do it here its normal i was shown how to do it by vet first i didn't just buy them and do it and i have been doing it for years now and also i do my friends
post #56 of 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by gailail
oh well all us breeders do it here its normal i was shown how to do it by vet first i didn't just buy them and do it and i have been doing it for years now and also i do my friends
All breeders in England give their own vaccination shots?
That doesn't sound like a James Herriott story to me

But seriously, what do you do if a cat has a reaction within 10 minutes or so and the vet isn't there to treat?
post #57 of 57
Well, as this thread has gone quite off-topic now and since it has ceased to be about jelani's original questions, this thread is now closed.
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