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post #61 of 76
QUOTE:I'm sorry you're so negative about them now, but I've found them to be very good. END QUOTE

i think you misunderstand, i am NOT negative about the Salvation Army, not at all
they do things that no one else will.
they helped *me* when no one else would.


however, i *personally* will not donate to ANY charity when i do not have a good faith belief that the money will go people who really need it.
i am not talking about one or two people in line who clearly did not need the help, it was the vast majority of them, if not all.

now, if i am going to donate, it will be hand crocheted blanket, kids hats and scarves, things like that.

its great that the Salvation Army does what they do.
i have become a bit more cynical over the years, and prefer to be extra careful where my donations go
afterall, i am still quite poor myself and totally and permanently disabled.

but please do not think that i have any negative feelings toward the Salvation Army, that is not what i said nor what i meant.

althea
post #62 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
I see nothing wrong with giving money to those on the street, even if my money ends up going to alcohol or another drug. At least their drug of choice buys them some solace for a short period of time The way I see it, behind most of these addicts are people with a mental illness. A statement I can back up through my years in nursing, and the last fours years I have spent working with the homeless. Most of these folks have an illness that will never be addressed properly. Sure there are GOOD treatment programs, if you have the money or decent health insurance. The other programs are mostly outpatient, or if they have any inpatient it's a week or less. How do you solve a lifetime of addiction and mental illness in a week's time? Even last year when I was hospitalized for my bipolar disorder, my psychiatrist was on the phone for over an hour trying to get me admitted into NYU. And I have supposedly, good insurance.

The system really stinks. Even life in a shelter is precarious, dangerous and unsanitary. I can understand why many prefer the street.
Well, luckily I work at a community outpatient mental health clinic, so know that anyone in my community can get help even without insurance. We offer a sliding scale fee for those who can pay it. And for someone who is unable to negotiate trying to obtain gov't help, we have caseworkers to help walk them through the system. We give free samples of medications to those who need them, and help them send to the drug companies for long-term free meds.

No, it is not a cure-all. Like my previous story about the alcoholic-he has been out of treatment for his mental illness for about 2 years. Yet he remembers that we are a place to come for help, and he stops by every few months...still not ready for help. Finally, two weeks ago he came in, wanting to go into the hospital. I saw him once after he got out-he was clean, polite (which means sober), and doing great. Whether that continues or not will remain to be seen. I have worked with this man for over 6 years, at times talking with him several times a month. Needless to say, I truly care about him. I would never give him money when he was drinking, to me it would be the same as kicking him. If that seems judgemental, so be it. But in my mind it is mean to contribute to a person's problems.

That said, if you feel inclined to sometimes give cash, that's fine by me. Often we act based on how we view the situation, and maybe some of the people you are giving to are very different than the ones I am thinking of.
post #63 of 76
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Originally Posted by LaceyDF


I do wonder about a particular man who has been standing at the SAME corner (at the intersection by our expressway). He stands there EVERY day. I have only given him money once and have not since, because he has been there for SO long---long enough that he could have made enough money from contributions that he could have found a goodwill, or even wal-mart, bought an outfit, found a shelter, and got a job! He has spent entirely too much time (numerous months) at that intersection and I just know that by now he could have found a shelter/job.
The few things that I learn about the homeless.
1) Shelters: Not all wants to go there. There are several reasons but the main one is that there is quite a bit of theft at shelters thus homeless people may end up losing whatever meagre possessions they already have.
2) Same Place: A number of them actually stake out 'territories' and if another person comes into the territory they would not like it.
3) Food: A number of cities have a 'hot meals' program where people drive around and hand the homeless meals. This of course to a certain extent ties in with why some may always stay at the same place. And also to the extent that why some may not use the money to buy food.
post #64 of 76
Thread Starter 
Interesting and sad statistic 250,000 homeless in the United States are Vietnam Vets.
post #65 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arlyn
I feel bad for the homeless, I know that there are a lot that are homeless by choice, but the majority are generally mentally ill, hardly their fault.
I was homeless by choice for a few years, but it was a lot less dangerous in those days
I will help them when I am able, but never with money.
... I feel bad for they...
post #66 of 76
ahem, this thread seems to be getting "hot" mods please move this to imo
post #67 of 76
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Originally Posted by Aurora151989
ahem, this thread seems to be getting "hot" mods please move this to imo
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post #68 of 76
Thread Starter 
Ok this thread has been edited. This thread was started for a reason. I wanted to find out what cat lovers felt about the homeless, as it has been pointed out within this thread that we don't just throw kibble out to the strays, most of us also trap the cat(s) get them vetted and neutered/spayed and released. With the homeless man I saw, I gave him food- a sandwich and some crackers and cheese, and big box of them so he might share with his friends, I gave him 4 bottles of water and 3 apples. I did not give him money. I figured with what I had in my pocket, it wasn't enough to truly help him. I was going into costco so we had passed him on the corner going in and while I was shopping he was on my mind heavily. So I shopped for him too trying to get him something he needed if he were truly homeless. Before we saw him the song Don't Laugh At me was playing on the radio

I'm a little boy with glasses, the one they call a geek
a little girl who never smiles cuz I got braces on my teeth
and I know how it feels to cry myself to sleep
I'm that kid on every playground, whose always chosen last
a single teenage mother trying to overcome her past
You don’t have to be my friend if it's too much to ask
Don't laugh at me, don't call me names
Don't get your pleasure from my pain
In God's eyes we're all the same
some day we'll all have perfect Wings
Don’t laugh at me
I'm a cripple on the corner
You pass me on the street
I wouldn't be out here begging if I had enough to eat
and don't think I don’t notice that our eyes never meet
I lost my wife and little boy when someone crossed that yellow line
The day we layed 'em in the ground was the day I lost my mind
Right now I'm down to holding this little cardboard sign
Don't laugh at me, Don't call me names
Don't get your pleasure from my pain
In God's eyes we're all the same
Someday we'll all have perfect wings
Don’t laugh at me
I'm fat, I'm thin
I'm short, I'm tall
I'm deaf, I'm blind
Hey aren't we all
Don't laugh at me, Don't call me names
Don't get your pleasure from my pain
In God's eyes we're all the same
Someday we'll all have perfect wings
Don't laugh at me
post #69 of 76
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Originally Posted by hissy
Ok this thread has been edited. This thread was started for a reason. I wanted to find out what cat lovers felt about the homeless, as it has been pointed out within this thread that we don't just throw kibble out to the strays, most of us also trap the cat(s) get them vetted and neutered/spayed and released. With the homeless man I saw, I gave him food- a sandwich and some crackers and cheese, and big box of them so he might share with his friends, I gave him 4 bottles of water and 3 apples. I did not give him money. I figured with what I had in my pocket, it wasn't enough to truly help him. I was going into costco so we had passed him on the corner going in and while I was shopping he was on my mind heavily. So I shopped for him too trying to get him something he needed if he were truly homeless. Before we saw him the song Don't Laugh At me was playing on the radio

I'm a little boy with glasses, the one they call a geek
a little girl who never smiles cuz I got braces on my teeth
and I know how it feels to cry myself to sleep

I'm that kid on every playground, whose always chosen last
a single teenage mother trying to overcome her past
You don’t have to be my friend if it's too much to ask

Don't laugh at me, don't call me names
Don't get your pleasure from my pain
In God's eyes we're all the same
some day we'll all have perfect Wings
Don’t laugh at me

I'm a cripple on the corner
You pass me on the street
I wouldn't be out here begging if I had enough to eat
and don't think I don’t notice that our eyes never meet
I lost my wife and little boy when someone crossed that yellow line
The day we layed 'em in the ground was the day I lost my mind
Right now I'm down to holding this little cardboard sign

Don't laugh at me, Don't call me names
Don't get your pleasure from my pain
In God's eyes we're all the same
Someday we'll all have perfect wings
Don’t laugh at me

I'm fat, I'm thin
I'm short, I'm tall
I'm deaf, I'm blind
Hey aren't we all

Don't laugh at me, Don't call me names
Don't get your pleasure from my pain
In God's eyes we're all the same
Someday we'll all have perfect wings
Don't laugh at me
Mary Anne, would you mind if I copy those words you have written, into my computer? If I said they are a bit inspiring I would be saying a big understatement.
post #70 of 76
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
Remember, even the 'homeless' alcoholics on the street are someone's brother, sister, mother, daughter, wife, husband, son or father.



Thank you for saying that, a lot of people, maybe most forget that.
Alcoholism is a horrid disease, and yes it is a disease not a shortcoming. In its own way it's a contagious disease, since it effects the entire family, for generations upon generations.
I'm sorry for your loss.[/quote]


My mother is an alcoholic and i can guarantee anybody that im never going to be one, because i am so hurt by it. I wont be suprised if my mother dies any time soon but my heart will be torn into a 1,000 pieces and it will be really hard to put it back together again.
post #71 of 76
Hissy
that poem was beautiful it made me cry
post #72 of 76
Thread Starter 
The words above is a song, sung by many artists. I was listening to Peter Paul & Mary sing it on a CD- maybe that was why seeing this man hit me as hard as it did.
post #73 of 76
For those who are saying the homeless should clean themselves up and get a job, how many of you would hire someone who had no address? or who's address was a shelter?

There's a lot of us with skills and experience and a permanent address who can't find work. being homeless is just the kind of thng to make you unemployable.
post #74 of 76
Quote:
Originally Posted by hissy
Interesting and sad statistic 250,000 homeless in the United States are Vietnam Vets.
I am so angry about that, it's amoral, they should be set for basics for life as far as I'm concerned. And yet some vets will spend more time being angry with Jane Fonda than the idiots who don't help them out.
post #75 of 76
I went to Washington DC for spring break a couple of years ago on alternative spring break, we go somewhere do comunity service for a week and go home. I am from a small town in arkansas and we dont really have a problem. We dont have people on the streets, you never see anyone begging. I was exposed to the homeless for the first time during my trip. First we saw them on the street and it made me sad, then when we saw them in a shelter we were working at it made me uncomfortable. I didnt really know what to do about all of these people who were shouting at us, who had drug problems, or other things wrong. We painted the building, sorted out food donations, sorted clothes, and helped cook. During our break we went into the rec room and talked to them. This one guy showed me his needle track marks on his arms like he was proud of them. It was really scary. I have been really sheltered here in arkansas, and it really put me out of my comfort zone. It honestly scared me. I know that may sound mean, or even spoiled, but it is the honest truth. I didnt like being around those people, and the entire day we worked there I kept thinking how working tomorrow in the smithsonian zoo will be so much better. I did buy a bunch of hamburgers at mc donalds to hand out on my way back to where we were standing, but I was also scared someone was going to try to take me down and rob me (even though i was with a good size group) Because of this I could never live in a big city, I just couldnt handle it. I like to donations to goodwill and they can hand out my old coats gloves etc. as they see fit.
post #76 of 76
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Originally Posted by Marge
I am so angry about that, it's amoral, they should be set for basics for life as far as I'm concerned. And yet some vets will spend more time being angry with Jane Fonda than the idiots who don't help them out.
Absolutely.
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