Originally Posted by consumercity
Do we as humans have the right to use animals however we want for our own benefit? Is it really necessary to use animals for medical education? Why can't med school students observe operations on human patients as they are being performed by doctors? Wouldn't that be much more educational than subjecting animals to vivisections? I really can't understand how looking at the organs of a live animal under anesthesia is all that different from looking at the organs of a dead animal. Under anesthesia there couldn't be a very significant movement of the animal's organs.
so basically, someone who watches 'trauma:life in the er' on TLC could be a qualified surgeon then, if watching is just as educational as doing it... i couldnt have been a surgeon when i was 8!
however, that is not so, i dont know about you, but i wouldnt want someone cutting on me that doesnt have any hands on experience
this is a bit stronger than anesthesia, seeing as how it is not reversible... when we first did a frog, we opened it up and were examining everything, when we were done, we were instructed to completley remove the frogs heart... it was still beating, we were instructed to cut the heart into its four chambers.... it was still beating.... even under any kind of anesthesia, yes, organs slow, but they are still alive and functioning... you cannot examine and learn from a dead organ... it doesnt do anything...
i understand where everyone is coming from being angry that this happened... but the fact that i have done it multiple times, and i have full knowledge of why it is being done and what we are benefiting from doing it, i really dont understand why anyone could be against it...
and rockcat, you said you hope they are euthenized before they wake up... they never wake up... once this liquid is injected into them, they are done, there is no way to reverse it... i know at my college, when we are done with them... we sew them back up, and we give them another injection that does end their life, then we give them back to the spca or whoever to dispose of them like they normally would...
this has been happening forever, med-students have been cutting open animals since the dawn of time to learn about organ systems before they are given the go ahead to start slicing up humans, this is not a new thing
i dont understand, animals are not capable of making the decision to dontate themselves to a lab full of med students to learn from, so we make the decision for them... if the animal is going to be killed anyway, why not let someone benefit from learning before they are destroyed