Originally Posted by Amy-DHH
I have to say, this conversation/debate has really confused me. If you're against PETA because of their stance on the keeping exotic animals as pets, that seems to be a whole other discussion. And now we're off into how HSUS sucks too.
Spaying and nuetering are ESSENTIAL, and when people can't be responsible enough to take care of dogs, cats and bunnies, it's hard for me to get behind their right to own exotics. I'm not talking about your specifically Amber, I'm only speaking in general.
Is there a list of animal organizations you ARE behind -- and not ones that are ONLY for protecting the rights of exotic pet owners? I'm not asking to be glib, I'd really like to hear them since PETA and HSUS are on the list of animal orgs that "suck" now.
Pretty sad when no matter how you look at an organization, you can only see bad...PETA is one such example of this. I'm against them for many different reasons, but mainly because of their stance on animals in captivity, domestic or exotic alike. HSUS is also of similar caliber, remember though that there is a difference between a Humane Society, and the Humane Society of the United States [HSUS]. Virtually all Humane Societies around the country, especially the ones that are not affiliated with HSUS, are founded on the basis of actually helping animals, not ending their existance in captivity. So yeah, PETA and HSUS "suck", but their in good company, as they are not the only orgs out there with a similar goal.
No argument against the benefits of S/N for the majority of animal owners. However, PETA and similar orgs, are pushing so hard for mandatory S/N of each and every animal in captivity, that if they ever get their way, there will be no more animals after but a few generations. The implications of no more breeding should be clear.
I'm absolutely dead serious with this statment on mandatory S/N. Going back to exotic ownership for a moment to make a point, a few years back now, PETA, HSUS and other AR orgs. proposed national legislation which blatently stated that all exotics in captivity should be neutered/spayed and that there should be no more of these animals bred. Their scope included many organizations which have been strong supporters of captive conservation of various endangered species of animals. Why did they do this...simple, Zoos and such organizations were exploiting the animals and even though some were quite successful at getting the animals to reproduce, they still were not providing them a totally perfect facimilie of their natural environment, so no matter how much good these groups were doing, in the eyes of these AR Organizations it wasn't good enough.
The bill in reference was informally known as the Shambala bill, every year many groups fought it, only to see it get watered down and reintroduced the next year, to have to be fought again. Eventually the bill was watered down enough that it prooved too hard to fight, and was passed. When it was passed it was known informally as the Captive Wildlife Protection Act [or something very similar]. Basically what this bill did was further hinder reputable organizations and responsible owners in their ability to acquire/have/exchange/sell these animals. A dear friend of mine, who is Federally Licensed to own Ocelots, has been breeding for decades now, with most of her animals going to various zoos and SSP programs around the nation. Well since the recent bill was passed, even in such a seemingly watered down version, this breeder is no longer able to exchange animals to keep healthy bloodlines, and after 7 generations of breeding Ocelots, has finally had to hang up her hat on the endeavor, It may not mean extinction....but its a step in that direction for this species.
AR organizations are not the friend of animals, AR groups are against any and all use of animals in captivity. IFAW is another AR group, though one which has a tendancy to stay behind the scenes and fund the actions of other AR groups.
Now you asked about what organizations are worth supporting?
Find a true Animal Welfare organization, such as NAIA or ASPCA. Many of these organizations support responsible ownership, they have a strong history of supporting education and funding animal shelters, low cost S/N clinics, and other such actions that Help animals. They support responsible breeders, and support the notion that humans and other animals can and do coexist peacefully in a mutually beneficial relationship with each other. These organizations support both captive conservation and do their best to support conservation of these animals in their native habitats. WWF is a good organization which fights valiantly to prevent extinction of a large variety of animals worldwide. These are just a few good organizations, there are plenty more of them out there, many that are much narrower in focus, but nonetheless good organizations. I could ramble off many more Good orgs, but I think I've said enough for this post to make it clear that there are plenty of orgs out there worth supporting [and plenty that AREN'T
PS A personal rule of thumb I use for a first impression on an organization, is how much they seem to be spending on publicity. For the most part, organizations that have immaculate PR departments, are usually some of the worst orgs out there. Not always true, but pretty accurate usually. Look at PETA's PR dept, Look at IFAW's PR dept, then Look at WWF's and ASPCA's. All are high caliber, but PETA and IFAW seem to go out of their way to demonstrate just how "right/good" they are.