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post #61 of 84
I have to say, this conversation/debate has really confused me. If you're against PETA because of their stance on the keeping exotic animals as pets, that seems to be a whole other discussion. And now we're off into how HSUS sucks too.

Spaying and nuetering are ESSENTIAL, and when people can't be responsible enough to take care of dogs, cats and bunnies, it's hard for me to get behind their right to own exotics. I'm not talking about your specifically Amber, I'm only speaking in general.

Is there a list of animal organizations you ARE behind -- and not ones that are ONLY for protecting the rights of exotic pet owners? I'm not asking to be glib, I'd really like to hear them since PETA and HSUS are on the list of animal orgs that "suck" now.
post #62 of 84
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Originally Posted by katl8e
If God hadn't meant for people to eat cows, chickens and pigs - He wouldn't have made them out of MEAT!
How come cats, dogs, and people don't get eaten? We and they are all made of meat, are we not?
post #63 of 84
Thread Starter 
I am not behind any AR groups, I am however, for animal welfare. For your information, most responsible people who own exotics are far more responsible than people who own domestics. This is a fact! The key word here is responsible owners. There are bad exotic owners as well, who own the animals for the wrong reasons. These people are not responsible and they are NOT the majority of exotic owners. These same people would not be a good domestic pet owner as well. Exotic cat owners do not let their animals run free, most if not all, get their cats spayed and neutered, unless they are a licensed breeder. As for groups I do support, I support our local shelters ( I adopted one of our cats from the shelter at 10 years of age. She is now 15 ), I also support Best Friends animal sanctuary (domestic animal no kill sanctuary). I am also a member of the FCF, Feline Conservation Federation and a member of OAAO, Ohio Association Of Animal Owners. I am also certified in wild feline husbandry ( I have the certificate to prove it ). The groups I belong to or give my money to, do not use it for burning buildings or causing other property damge. They use it for animal welfare, rescue, responsible ownership and education. I have worked with the FCF at events to encourage responsible ownership as well. Yes, HSUS is right up there with PETA, but not quite as bad. As Spotz pointed out, they do not give any money to shelters or to S/N clinics. Now, as for me and other exotic owners being behind our rights to own our animals, you should be thankful that we are out there fighting groups like PETA and HSUS to keep our rights. They use their money to lobby for ban laws instead of using that same money for animal welfare. When we lose our rights to own exotics, YOU WILL begin to lose your rights to own domestics. That, I hate to say, is the fact. Just look around, you will see it happening now. By the way, I must point out that HSUS should NOT be confused with you local humane society shelters.
post #64 of 84
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Originally Posted by Amy-DHH
I have to say, this conversation/debate has really confused me. If you're against PETA because of their stance on the keeping exotic animals as pets, that seems to be a whole other discussion. And now we're off into how HSUS sucks too.

Spaying and nuetering are ESSENTIAL, and when people can't be responsible enough to take care of dogs, cats and bunnies, it's hard for me to get behind their right to own exotics. I'm not talking about your specifically Amber, I'm only speaking in general.

Is there a list of animal organizations you ARE behind -- and not ones that are ONLY for protecting the rights of exotic pet owners? I'm not asking to be glib, I'd really like to hear them since PETA and HSUS are on the list of animal orgs that "suck" now.
Pretty sad when no matter how you look at an organization, you can only see bad...PETA is one such example of this. I'm against them for many different reasons, but mainly because of their stance on animals in captivity, domestic or exotic alike. HSUS is also of similar caliber, remember though that there is a difference between a Humane Society, and the Humane Society of the United States [HSUS]. Virtually all Humane Societies around the country, especially the ones that are not affiliated with HSUS, are founded on the basis of actually helping animals, not ending their existance in captivity. So yeah, PETA and HSUS "suck", but their in good company, as they are not the only orgs out there with a similar goal.

No argument against the benefits of S/N for the majority of animal owners. However, PETA and similar orgs, are pushing so hard for mandatory S/N of each and every animal in captivity, that if they ever get their way, there will be no more animals after but a few generations. The implications of no more breeding should be clear.

I'm absolutely dead serious with this statment on mandatory S/N. Going back to exotic ownership for a moment to make a point, a few years back now, PETA, HSUS and other AR orgs. proposed national legislation which blatently stated that all exotics in captivity should be neutered/spayed and that there should be no more of these animals bred. Their scope included many organizations which have been strong supporters of captive conservation of various endangered species of animals. Why did they do this...simple, Zoos and such organizations were exploiting the animals and even though some were quite successful at getting the animals to reproduce, they still were not providing them a totally perfect facimilie of their natural environment, so no matter how much good these groups were doing, in the eyes of these AR Organizations it wasn't good enough.

The bill in reference was informally known as the Shambala bill, every year many groups fought it, only to see it get watered down and reintroduced the next year, to have to be fought again. Eventually the bill was watered down enough that it prooved too hard to fight, and was passed. When it was passed it was known informally as the Captive Wildlife Protection Act [or something very similar]. Basically what this bill did was further hinder reputable organizations and responsible owners in their ability to acquire/have/exchange/sell these animals. A dear friend of mine, who is Federally Licensed to own Ocelots, has been breeding for decades now, with most of her animals going to various zoos and SSP programs around the nation. Well since the recent bill was passed, even in such a seemingly watered down version, this breeder is no longer able to exchange animals to keep healthy bloodlines, and after 7 generations of breeding Ocelots, has finally had to hang up her hat on the endeavor, It may not mean extinction....but its a step in that direction for this species.

AR organizations are not the friend of animals, AR groups are against any and all use of animals in captivity. IFAW is another AR group, though one which has a tendancy to stay behind the scenes and fund the actions of other AR groups.

Now you asked about what organizations are worth supporting?

Find a true Animal Welfare organization, such as NAIA or ASPCA. Many of these organizations support responsible ownership, they have a strong history of supporting education and funding animal shelters, low cost S/N clinics, and other such actions that Help animals. They support responsible breeders, and support the notion that humans and other animals can and do coexist peacefully in a mutually beneficial relationship with each other. These organizations support both captive conservation and do their best to support conservation of these animals in their native habitats. WWF is a good organization which fights valiantly to prevent extinction of a large variety of animals worldwide. These are just a few good organizations, there are plenty more of them out there, many that are much narrower in focus, but nonetheless good organizations. I could ramble off many more Good orgs, but I think I've said enough for this post to make it clear that there are plenty of orgs out there worth supporting [and plenty that AREN'T ]

Spotz
PS A personal rule of thumb I use for a first impression on an organization, is how much they seem to be spending on publicity. For the most part, organizations that have immaculate PR departments, are usually some of the worst orgs out there. Not always true, but pretty accurate usually. Look at PETA's PR dept, Look at IFAW's PR dept, then Look at WWF's and ASPCA's. All are high caliber, but PETA and IFAW seem to go out of their way to demonstrate just how "right/good" they are.
post #65 of 84
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Originally Posted by Aussie_Dog
How come cats, dogs, and people don't get eaten? We and they are all made of meat, are we not?
Good Point, and really a great rebuttal there.

But in all fairness...

Cats/Dogs are actually quite the common food source in some cultures and areas of the world...so technically, these animals do get eaten.

Cannabilism, while much more limited, does also occur, however this is much more an exception to the common rule.

Hmm....PETA Killing animals to People Eating People...maybe we're getting a bit off topic...then again, if it tastes like chicken, and you tell me it's chicken.......

Spotz
PS...Just kidding on the chicken bit
PPS...and no I wasn't talking about the chickens that PETA "saved" at KFC :P
post #66 of 84
Thread Starter 
Spotz, thanks for bringing up the ASPCA. That is another one of the groups that I support. I almost forgot about them The captive wildlife safety act is a terrible bill. I feel for your friend who can no longer breed Ocelots. IMO, this bill will see to it that there will no longer be captive Ocelots and no strong bloodlines. Of course, this bill does not only affect Ocelots, but all exotic cats. Many of these cats are threatened with extinction in the wild. Before long, there will be no such animals and that will truly be a sad day. Yes, there are animals that are abused in captivity, but there are many more of the same who are loved and well cared for in captivity. This goes for domestics as well as exotics. We should not suffer, because of the few who do not have the brains or the knowledge to treat animals responsibly. Yes IMO PETA, HSUS and AR groups just like them DO suck. Like I said, these AR groups spend TONS of money on getting these ban bills past, instead of using that same money to help animals and to educate people on responsible care of animals.
post #67 of 84
I'm not a PETA supporter, mostly because of what I learned from this site (this thread and others). I must say though, I do not believe that EVERYTHING about them is bad. There are many members and supporters whose hearts are in the right places. Unfortunately, there are too many terrorist types involved. Although I eat fish, I have no problem with an orgainzation promoting veganism. The problem with PETA is (as so many of you have pointed out) they take things to the extreme.

Amber, when you said if PETA knew where your bobcats were they would break into your house and set them free, my heart hurt for you. That would be terrible for you AND your cats. Do they even consider that the cats are HAPPY?

Spotz, thanks for the insight on what organizations are worth supporting! Valuable info!
post #68 of 84
>Do they even consider that the cats are HAPPY?

What in PETA's history makes you think they give a crap about the animals welfare or happiness?

(I know, I said that was my last post. I'll go now.)
post #69 of 84
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Originally Posted by Aussie_Dog
How come cats, dogs, and people don't get eaten? We and they are all made of meat, are we not?
Cats and Dogs don't get eating in THIS country because they are cute and we decided not to eat them. There's no reason we couldn't eat them, and many countries do. (I understand Saint Bernard's are quite tasty.)

People don't get eaten MUCH, again, because we're cute and we decided not to.

As an aside, I saw a documentary that talked about places where people had to become cannibals (like The Donner Party for those who know US history). Turns out by the time most people are hungry enough to become canibals the people they are eating are too starved to have any real nutritional value, so the secret to being a healthy canibal is start while your "food" is still healthy and well-fed. (gross, I know, but there's something funny about that to me...)
post #70 of 84
Thread Starter 
I really didn't want to start up this heated debate again, but here we are, the truth and pure facts. So much for the ETHICAL treament of animals PETA
PETA Kills animals--and it's a Felony<----First story

This is the second part.
Press Release: PETA Employees Face 31 Felony Animal-Cruelty Charges for Killing, Dumping Dogs
As stated on a very popular sci-fi TV seriesThe Truth is Out There!!
post #71 of 84
Thread Starter 
Here is another good slogan for PETA: People Executing Tamed Animals!!
post #72 of 84
i signed the petition! it's great to bring to light the truth behind organizations like this! thank you so much for your info
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post #74 of 84
I'm having a hard time reading that Hissy! Wow. I just keep getting images of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. That's just straight up disturbing. I wonder if it's for real? Honestly I wouldn't doubt it at this point.
post #75 of 84
I haven't a clue- I try and stay away from PETA I think they had a great idea in the beginning, but got circumvented by radicals and wackos and lost focus. Sort of like the Sierra Club did as years passed.
post #76 of 84
It's for real- I saw it on the PETA website. That woman is insane. She wants people to BBQ her???!!!??
post #77 of 84
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Originally Posted by esrgirl
It's for real- I saw it on the PETA website. That woman is insane. She wants people to BBQ her???!!!??
Based on her will, I would say the best place for her is in a mental institution. She sounds absolutely deranged.
post #78 of 84
After reading this all I can say is I think we should set her up with Michael Jackson!

How does she think that mutilating her corpse and sending peices of it throughout the world will prove that doing the same to animals is wrong.

It's kinda like killing people to prove killing is wrong!

Let's just hope and pray she doesn't decide to become an organ doner! Cause I certainly wouldn't want to know someone might end up with her brain!
post #79 of 84


I couldn't put that better myself!
post #80 of 84
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Originally Posted by hissy
IMO, it seems she is more interested in proving a point than anything else. If she really wanted to put her body to use, what about medical research to benefit animals?
post #81 of 84
bump
post #82 of 84
She obviously believes in "shock value"!
post #83 of 84
This comes from the anti-Peta site, but it has Peta documents to back it up.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
"Did You Know?
From July 1998 through the end of 2003, PETA killed over 10,000 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 85 percent of the animals it took in during 2003 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.
» read more

Animals Killed By PETA"

They took in 2,224 animals in 2003, and killed 1,911. Only adopted out 312 animals.

Here are the back-up docs
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/down...llsAnimals.pdf

I find this to be horrifying. I heard the guy from Peta Kills Animals on the radio, he said some of the owner-surrendered animals are killed in the van before they ever get to the Peta building. They kill multiple pets, not just ill or unadoptable animals.
Regardless of if you like some of what Peta does, the fact that they tell people they will rehome their pets, then euthanize them, shows they are wrong.
post #84 of 84
From the Peta site, re feral cats:
http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=120
"Homeless cats do not die of old age. Highly contagious diseases are common, as are infected puncture wounds, broken bones, urinary tract infections, brain damage, internal injuries, attacks by other animals or cruel humans, automobile accidents, and terrible living conditions like freezing or stifling temperatures, scrounging for food, and being considered a “nuisance,†through no fault of their own. Moreover, free-roaming cats also terrorize and kill countless birds and other wildlife who are not equipped to deal with such predators.



Having witnessed firsthand the gruesome things that can happen to feral cats and to the animals they prey on, PETA cannot in good conscience oppose euthanasia as a humane alternative to dealing with cat overpopulation. "

I personally AM opposed to euthansia as a way of dealing with cat overpopulation.
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