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Provacative cheers may be illegal in TX

post #1 of 15
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And no, GWB has nothing to do with this one.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/05/ch...eut/index.html

I'm not a prude, but I'll admit that some of the "dance" moves I've seen cheerleaders do I think should be reserved for the bedroom, strip club or porn. And to see these middle and high school girls do it just doesn't sit right with me. And gee, then we wonder why so many men are seeing these young girls in a sexual way...

ETA, the law would only apply to school-aged cheerleaders, not pro-sports or college.
post #2 of 15
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Originally Posted by valanhb
And gee, then we wonder why so many men are seeing these young girls in a sexual way...
Hold it right there.

Most young girls who get knocked up do so with kids their own age, who would be after the girls no matter how little they wiggle during games; and most adult child molesters would be after the girls no matter how much they wiggle during games because, well, they're child molesters.

Men are not a giant hive of sexual predators, no matter what california law makes us out to be.

As for the law, can't say I'm against the idea, but in todays age of absurdly christian/republican "goodthink" a badly written law with broad enough statues (like I suspect this one is) could easily be used to destroy perfectly innocent parts of our culture that offend a hyper-sensitive southern baptist with juice in the legistlature.
post #3 of 15
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Originally Posted by brianlojeck
Hold it right there.

Most young girls who get knocked up do so with kids their own age, who would be after the girls no matter how little they wiggle during games; and most adult child molesters would be after the girls no matter how much they wiggle during games because, well, they're child molesters.

Men are not a giant hive of sexual predators, no matter what california law makes us out to be.

As for the law, can't say I'm against the idea, but in todays age of absurdly christian/republican "goodthink" a badly written law with broad enough statues (like I suspect this one is) could easily be used to destroy perfectly innocent parts of our culture that offend a hyper-sensitive southern baptist with juice in the legistlature.
Whoa whoa whoa! I did NOT say that MOST or ALL men are predators! I said "why so many..." which does not mean a generalization about ALL men!
Dang, was I the only person who actually saw the movie American Beauty?
post #4 of 15
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Originally Posted by valanhb
Dang, was I the only person who actually saw the movie American Beauty?
I saw it. But Mena Suvari was 20 when she wore those roses, even if the character wasn't, so any oogling that took place was pefectly legal and moral. ;-)

I'm not saying there are no attractive 17 year old girls in the world, or that many men didn't have a "britney spears turns 18" clock running in there heads.

I'm just doing my part to defend my gender. I'll pipe down now. ;-)
post #5 of 15
I agree that most men are neither predators or child molesters. That having been said, I think that it is disgusting that these young girls are so objectified by those that are, and are allowed to be in that position by parents that are not paying attention or don't care. I am not sure that making a law is the way to get it to stop. Though the way these young girls carry on like that is waaay out of line, it should be up to the parents and school systems to stop it. It has gotten so out of hand because nothing has been done for years. I don't think that a law is going to stop it, unless funds are cut off from schools that allow it to continue. That really does not seem fair either.
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by brianlojeck
Hold it right there.

Most young girls who get knocked up do so with kids their own age, who would be after the girls no matter how little they wiggle during games; and most adult child molesters would be after the girls no matter how much they wiggle during games because, well, they're child molesters.
If I recall, statistics show that at least with regards to teen pregnancy, 70% of them are fatherd by men above 20.
post #7 of 15
how would you judge what is too provacative? dancing by nature is provacative. i thin this law will be very difficult to enforce.
post #8 of 15
Maybe what's really bothering these guys is that the girls grow up so fast, and look so mature so early, but I don't think forcing them to cover up during cheerleading is going to stop that!

Sue
post #9 of 15
I think it will be very difficult to draw the line as to what is too provacative and what isn't. Personally, I would rather see young cheerleaders the way cheerleaders used to be and save the more suggestive moves for after high school. As for whether it should be a law or not... I'm undecided. Maybe schools should have a policy about that though.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by bumpy
If I recall, statistics show that at least with regards to teen pregnancy, 70% of them are fatherd by men above 20.
seriously?

freakin' sons of...
post #11 of 15
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Originally Posted by maverick_kitten
how would you judge what is too provacative? dancing by nature is provacative. i thin this law will be very difficult to enforce.
That's my issue with it. It won't be hard to ENFORCE, it'll be hard to DEFEND AGAINST.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
I think it will be very difficult to draw the line as to what is too provacative and what isn't. Personally, I would rather see young cheerleaders the way cheerleaders used to be and save the more suggestive moves for after high school. As for whether it should be a law or not... I'm undecided. Maybe schools should have a policy about that though.
Rockcat's thoughts made me curious. What did cheerleading uniforms look like years ago? I found a picture of cheerleaders in 1955, and one of high school cheerleaders in 2004.

Cheerleading today blends athletics/gymnastics with sex appeal. If it were only about athletics, they would wear sweatpants or shorts--not short short skirts. And the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders wouldn't be more popular than the team they cheer for! In the older days there was less athleticism and less sex appeal.

1955 High School Cheerleaders

2004 High School Cheerleaders
post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by maverick_kitten
how would you judge what is too provacative? dancing by nature is provacative. i thin this law will be very difficult to enforce.
I agree. Who's going to say what's to sexy and what's not. I've watched the natioanl cheerleading cometitions I see nothing wrong with it. I do have a problem with having 5 and 6 year olds cheer in the same way as high school kids.
post #14 of 15
I find the entire concept of cheerleading in skimpy outfits with suggestive "moves' offensive. It demeans women of all ages.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
I find the entire concept of cheerleading in skimpy outfits with suggestive "moves' offensive. It demeans women of all ages.
I agree Barbara. And to see such young girls dancing like strippers is horrible. When are they going to install the poles? I mean, College and Pro is one thing (they are at least legal), but a friends' daughter is in Middle School and a cheerleader, and I've seen her doing those kinds of moves.

For those who say it's too hard to define, I can say that getting down on all fours and bumping and grinding is too provacative. I think spreading their legs (at the knees) and grinding is too provacative. I think any dance moves that pretty much directly simulate sex are too provocative for school girls, especially in the skimpy outfits they wear.

What ever happened to cheerleaders actually cheering for the team and leading the crowd in cheers, anyway?
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