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Bbc And Itv Project Tony Blair's Labour Party Has Won Re-election In Britain
post #2 of 26
Oh wonderful!!

I had a feeling he would stay in
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Originally Posted by rosiemac
Oh wonderful!!

I had a feeling he would stay in
I take it you didn't vote for him? How did he win after the strong opposition to the war? I mean it was stronger than over here...No good alternative candidate?
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Originally Posted by Marge
I take it you didn't vote for him? How did he win after the strong opposition to the war? I mean it was stronger than over here...No good alternative candidate?
From what I gather, while the opposition to it is strong, if you ask people to rank their priorities, health, education, EU, Iraq, etc, Iraq for many people does not feature too high on the list although it may produce some shocks.

If I was there, I think I may also have selected Labour, specifically New Labour type policies. Thus in US it would be great to have a party that combines your traditional Democrat social policies coupled with Republican business agenda.

By the way, another reason for this the UK system. The percentage of the votes is:
Labour: 36%
Conservatives: 33%
Lib Dem: 23:
Others: 12%
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Originally Posted by Marge
I take it you didn't vote for him? How did he win after the strong opposition to the war? I mean it was stronger than over here...No good alternative candidate?
No i didn't vote for him Marge, and i think he's been lucky this time in getting in again because they lost a lot of seats.

The situation over the war didn't bother me, and if anything i backed him up on that one, but what i am against are the immigrants that he's letting into this country, plus i see so many of them getting our benefits, housing etc.... and theres hardly any that i see that are even trying to speak our language!, so if their willing to take our benefits etc... they should be willing to at least try and speak the Queens English in my books!. You've heard that saying?, "When in Rome do as the Romans do!".

The other thing i was against him for was the price of our taxes that we have to pay on our homes which is shocking.

Right!, off my soap box!!
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I didn't vote for Tony either

The first time I voted (when I was just 18) I did vote for him because I felt that the conservatives had been in power for too long and the country needed a change in government (which I am sure many ppl felt). I also never forgave Maggie Thatcher for taking my school milk away from me.... !

Oh well, 4 more years of rising taxes, falling employment - I see trouble ahead....

I voted Liberal Democrats... but Labour still got in again in my borough
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Originally Posted by rosiemac
The other thing i was against him for was the price of our taxes that we have to pay on our homes which is shocking.
as well! Now that I own my own home I have to be extra careful to make sure that I pay the mortgage each moth etc. If they put taxes / rates up etc it's going to be scary. I dunno how first time buyers are expected to be able to afford their own homes and pay the mortgage when there is so much extra added on top. My council tax has just gone up and with single person discount I am paying £82 a month! He HAS to sort this out otherwise people will be living at home until they are about 40!
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Originally Posted by Gilly
as well! Now that I own my own home I have to be extra careful to make sure that I pay the mortgage each moth etc. If they put taxes / rates up etc it's going to be scary. I dunno how first time buyers are expected to be able to afford their own homes and pay the mortgage when there is so much extra added on top. My council tax has just gone up and with single person discount I am paying £82 a month! He HAS to sort this out otherwise people will be living at home until they are about 40!
Is that how much you pay for your council tax Gilly?! i pay £62 a month but i know it's a lot more expensive down south where you are, but it's still a lot!

I voted Lib Dem in all the local elections, but voted Conservative yesterday, only because they were going to reduce the council taxes.

I think Labour is in for it's last term to be honest, because this is the same way the Tories went when Labour won.

At the end of the day their all as bad as each other!.
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i think bush and blair shouldnt even be able to stay as governments
NEITHER IS JOHN HOWARD!

I dont have to vote untill my dad leaves the consulate
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Originally Posted by rosiemac
Is that how much you pay for your council tax Gilly?! i pay £62 a month but i know it's a lot more expensive down south where you are, but it's still a lot!
ha! My council tax is one of cheapest compared to other areas near to where I live. It's all classed in what band you live in and I am apparently living in one of the lower bands. What really annoys me is that my parents, who live in a large 3 bedroom house 10 mins up the road from me, yet I live in a 1 bedroom maisonette, pay the same as me!!!!

My turn to jump on the soapbox now... I also hate paying the £21 a month for water which is the same as a family of 4 pay when it's only me and my cat! I don't use that much water as I tend to shower more than bath! And I can't get a water meter because I live in a flat....

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Originally Posted by rosiemac
At the end of the day their all as bad as each other!.
Yeah, you are right on that one. I was tempted not to bother voting at all, but as a women, I feel I should vote seeing as at one point, we did not have that right!
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South Tyneside where i live is the cheapest in our area as well.

My Directors daughter who i work with bought a town house in the city centre where it's more expensive, but is only about 15 minutes from my area, and she pays £150.00 a month!!!

My water rates are just over £19 a month, but when i was with my husband, the house i used to live in had a water meter because it was newly built, and it was brilliant!.

Mind you my friend who lived down the street had really high water bills because there was 4 of them

Something has to be done about these taxes because it's ridiculous!!.
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Well I am glad that I don't pay £150 a month It is nice to hear about what other ppl pay in other parts of the country. My friend in Somerset bought herself a 3 bedroom house for 85K. I nearly fainted. My 1 bedroom place was 130K!!! I sometimes think about moving out of London but after all my life here it would be a major change in lifestyle etc

Oh and about the water again, blooming Thames Water have reduced water pressure as well in the areas that it supplies. So not only are they charging us silly money, they are also cutting the amount coming out of the taps so sometimes, when I have a shower it is lovely and othertimes I have just a few dribbles coming out!

lol I wish I was a cat!
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I guess you should count yourself lucky if you got to even vote! I heard on the radio that some people who turned up to vote were told they couldnt cos they had registered to vote by post even though they hadnt! One of them was a Radio 4 presenter who totally disagrees with postal voting (as do I) so there was no way he would of registered. Until they get the postal vote system sorted out I cant see the general election as free and fair. I think that some folk just take a block of names and get them registered thus denying them the opportunity to vote in person. (A guy at work didnt vote either cos their candidate died last week so there voting has been postponed- whats that all about-seems to me a dead person could do better than this lot) and no I didnt vote for Tony.
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haha Did you see that 18 month old who got sent a polling card?

Classic!
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Ohhh! Just heard that Micheal Howard is going to step down!!!
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i didnt vote. i feel bad for not voting but at the end of the day with such bad choices i couldnt choose.
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Originally Posted by Gilly
Ohhh! Just heard that Micheal Howard is going to step down!!!
Has it said why Gilly?
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Originally Posted by rosiemac
Has it said why Gilly?
I read it on BBC news: Basically, he thinks that he is getting too old and by the time there is another election he will be in his late 60's!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...ge/4521941.stm
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Originally Posted by Gilly
I read it on BBC news: Basically, he thinks that he is getting too old and by the time there is another election he will be in his late 60's!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...ge/4521941.stm
Fair comment i suppose?!
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Hubby and I had discussed the Michael Howard appointment often since he was appointed leader of the party. We were both of the view that he was a "nightwatchman" holding the hand of the party to get them through the election. Knowing that he was not overly popular and that the Conservatives were pretty sure to lose the election, we thought that they wouldn't want to taint a new leader who they had plans for, with an election defeat.

Individuals like David Davies must be in the running for leadership and I thought they would want him to start with a clean slate, not an election defeat.

So it was no surprise today to see Michael Howard announce that he would be standing down.
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Originally Posted by fwan
i think bush and blair shouldnt even be able to stay as governments
Fran, you are one right-on chick!
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I can't believe how much you are paying for your council tax!! My house is rated as 'average' (band D) and I'm paying £130 per month (when we moved here in '97 it was £55 per month - how about that for inflation!!). I think this is excessive, especially as we receive very little in exchange for it. Our local council is useless to the extreme.

I think we're about due for electoral reform of some kind. If it weren't for the apathy of most of the voters in this country we'd have had it before. How can this be called democracy when the party in control can do this on thirty-something percent of the vote (and that's thirty-something percent of those who bothered to vote)?

Sue
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Originally Posted by rosiemac
The situation over the war didn't bother me, and if anything i backed him up on that one, but what i am against are the immigrants that he's letting into this country, plus i see so many of them getting our benefits, housing etc.... and theres hardly any that i see that are even trying to speak our language!, so if their willing to take our benefits etc... they should be willing to at least try and speak the Queens English in my books!. You've heard that saying?, "When in Rome do as the Romans do!".
While this is not an immigration thread, I have to ask whether is such fears justified or is someone trying to target a group of people to gain support. I find that countries or places that restricts immigration seem to have a lower economic growth rates. The financial power of London stems from the high number of immigrants and foreigners coming to work there. Of all the European capitals, London is the only one that is still growing. Similarly in the US, half of their engineering and science students are from overseas and of the people pursuing their PhDs more than half comes from first or second generation immigrants. Also there is the higher end immigrants, which can have quite a significant impact as seen by the number of property owned in London by Asians.

But one might argue we only target those very poor and uneducated people not high valued immigrants. Is that true or does it really matter in practical terms. Hostility is created against the visible minorities which may affect the attractiveness of these high valued immigrants. Also lower valued immigrants can have a positive impact on the economy. Furthermore if one is lucky one may even get a gem, like this person who came to UK and worked as a toilet cleaner but later became a millionaire through his cleaning services company.

Now while there is a need to ensure they 'integrate' there is no need for them to lose their identity in the process too! In fact it would be detrimental. Imagine if the Indians completely assimilated when they came to UK and never introduced Indian Food to the UK public.

So while there may be some who abuse the system the same could be said of the locals. And in seeking to throw out the dirty water one may end up throwing out the baby with it too.
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Note to non-Brits: "council tax" = property tax. I find some of the amounts quoted here very high in comparison to Germany, but rather low in comparison to some U.S. states, i.e., those I'm familiar with. On the other hand, the water bills seem ridiculously low to me.
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Originally Posted by bumpy
While this is not an immigration thread, I have to ask whether is such fears justified or is someone trying to target a group of people to gain support. I find that countries or places that restricts immigration seem to have a lower economic growth rates. The financial power of London stems from the high number of immigrants and foreigners coming to work there. Of all the European capitals, London is the only one that is still growing. Similarly in the US, half of their engineering and science students are from overseas and of the people pursuing their PhDs more than half comes from first or second generation immigrants. Also there is the higher end immigrants, which can have quite a significant impact as seen by the number of property owned in London by Asians.

But one might argue we only target those very poor and uneducated people not high valued immigrants. Is that true or does it really matter in practical terms. Hostility is created against the visible minorities which may affect the attractiveness of these high valued immigrants. Also lower valued immigrants can have a positive impact on the economy. Furthermore if one is lucky one may even get a gem, like this person who came to UK and worked as a toilet cleaner but later became a millionaire through his cleaning services company.

Now while there is a need to ensure they 'integrate' there is no need for them to lose their identity in the process too! In fact it would be detrimental. Imagine if the Indians completely assimilated when they came to UK and never introduced Indian Food to the UK public.

So while there may be some who abuse the system the same could be said of the locals. And in seeking to throw out the dirty water one may end up throwing out the baby with it too.
I won't answer this, and this is why i don't do politics, the biggest cause of arguments
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