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Activist Bob Hunter dead at 63

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Environmentalist, writer, politician, and co-founder of Greenpeace died yesterday at age 63, following a fight with prostate cancer.

He was a bright light in Canadian and international environmental activism, and will surely be missed.

Headlines from around the world...

http://www.cbc.ca/story/arts/nationa...ter050502.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems...5/s1358504.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4507391.stm
post #2 of 15
How sad. He will surely be missed in this world.
post #3 of 15
What a horrible loss However, the legacy he leaves behind is nothing less than wonderful and inspiring.
post #4 of 15
I've never heard of him but I feel for his family
post #5 of 15
want to see something amazing? Penn and Teller have a show on Showtime called "B*llsh*t" where they debunk and discuss various things. One of the episodes (2nd season I think) covered Greenpeace, recycling, and that whole bit. They interviewed Bob Hunter, who explained that he felt Greenpeace had lost it's way and talked about why he turned his back on them and left the organization.

After hearing him speak, I'd have sided with him over Greenpeace any time...
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Originally Posted by brianlojeck
want to see something amazing? Penn and Teller have a show on Showtime called "B*llsh*t" where they debunk and discuss various things. One of the episodes (2nd season I think) covered Greenpeace, recycling, and that whole bit. They interviewed Bob Hunter, who explained that he felt Greenpeace had lost it's way and talked about why he turned his back on them and left the organization.

After hearing him speak, I'd have sided with him over Greenpeace any time...
I read an interview with him about a year ago, and have to agree with you, though I have to add that I feel it's important that an organization like Greenpeace continues to exist.
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by jcat
I read an interview with him about a year ago, and have to agree with you, though I have to add that I feel it's important that an organization like Greenpeace continues to exist.
An organization LIKE greenpeace, yes. But Greenpeace (and PETA for the record) have far overstepped their bounds and need to be dealt with. Greenpeace isn't even really dealing in reality any longer.

For instance, how many people belive that evil corporations are cutting down the rain forests to build houses, print newspapers, and make furniture while the native citizens cry and mourn the loss?

Truth is, the wood is cut down BY THE NATIVE PEOPLES for the most part because these countries are so poor that they need money to eat. The greatest reason for deforestation in the world is poor people trying to raise cattle or find something worth selling.

(most construction/project/home depot wood in this country is raised on farms specifically for the purpose of being cut down)

Helping poverty, not putting sugar in gas tanks and embedding rebar in trees, is the way to stop the rain forests from being cut down.

and I won't get started on PETA. I won't... I won't...
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by brianlojeck
An organization LIKE greenpeace, yes. But Greenpeace (and PETA for the record) have far overstepped their bounds and need to be dealt with. Greenpeace isn't even really dealing in reality any longer.

For instance, how many people belive that evil corporations are cutting down the rain forests to build houses, print newspapers, and make furniture while the native citizens cry and mourn the loss?

Truth is, the wood is cut down BY THE NATIVE PEOPLES for the most part because these countries are so poor that they need money to eat. The greatest reason for deforestation in the world is poor people trying to raise cattle or find something worth selling.

(most construction/project/home depot wood in this country is raised on farms specifically for the purpose of being cut down)

Helping poverty, not putting sugar in gas tanks and embedding rebar in trees, is the way to stop the rain forests from being cut down.

and I won't get started on PETA. I won't... I won't...
Both PETA and Greenpeace have in part been so successful because they understand human nature. It's so much easier to blame "big business" for the destruction of the environment and many species than to consider how your own habits, e.g., driving everywhere in your air conditioned SUV, or using an excess of chemicals in your household, contribute to the destruction.
post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by jcat
Both PETA and Greenpeace have in part been so successful because they understand human nature.
famous does not equal successful. How much deforestation has greenpeace prevented? Next to none. The people are still poor, so no matter how many lumberjacks greenpeace kills with rebar, the trees still get cut down.

How many animal-free alternatives to insulin has PETA helped develop? 0. In fact, one of their directors (2nd in command I think, have to look up her name) uses insulin made from animals. She says you shouldn't, though.

How many animals has PETA helped stay alive by adoption, spay/neuter/release? 0

How many endangered species has PETA helped with captive breeding programs? 0

They've put a bunch of animals to sleep though. After they "rescue" animals from pounds and labs they have to do something with them, and more then half get euthenized. Peta doesn't mention this when they are fire-bombing animal shelters or threatening the lives and families of shelter administrators though.

Most people on this board have done infinitly more good for animals in general then every single PETA member put together. We CARE for our animals, PETA uses them as political fodder.

I WILL NOT GET STARTED ON PETA! I WILL NOT GET STARTED ON PETA!
really.
post #10 of 15
Don't worry about it, Brian - PETA has more detractors than fans here.
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I figured (since we have pets and all...)... I just don't want to rant too much. This is a nice friendly board, and my opinions of PETA and Greenpeace are hard to express in polite company.
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by brianlojeck
I figured (since we have pets and all...)... I just don't want to rant too much. This is a nice friendly board, and my opinions of PETA and Greenpeace are hard to express in polite company.
You can always PM John (AmberThe Bobcat) - he would probably enjoy a good rant about PETA, as the policies they're pushing may very well affect his bobcats.
I'm a member of a few German boards, and PETA is really a pet peeve on them, too.
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
Jcat, I'm deleting your post for being off-topic. Just joking.
post #14 of 15
We grieve his loss, as his organization did a lot of good. PETA has made some good stands, but how do you reconcile someone who is almost a vegan and the owner of carnivore cats (me!)?

Yet, I try to eat less meat and I have stopped eating beef entirely. I seriously believe that the over consumption of red meat has led to heart disease and other health problems. And look at the epidemic of obesity in the U.S.

I still consume eggs, fish (they are now telling you to limit fish intake due to mercury contamination), cheese, chicken, turkey, and sausage or pork once in a while.

Since limiting the consumption of red meat, my blood pressure is lower now than when it was taken for my college physical. So this is good news.
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Originally Posted by vespacat
Jcat, I'm deleting your post for being off-topic. Just joking.
You're absolutely right - it is pretty much off topic!
The thread is pretty important for those who have concerns about the environment, so I'm trying to do my bit to keep the discussion going. That might sound like a "sorry excuse", but I think some discussion of Greenpeace/PETA is relevant.
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