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post #31 of 48
I read the article, but am not familiar with the case. How did she get pregnant? was it a boyfriend? Why is a 13 yr old having sex?! I think she should be allowed this abortion and be put on some type of birth control (implants?) and be forced to take some more sex education classes.
post #32 of 48
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
I'll just add my two cents, which I think agrees with most of the people who have posted on this thread: the government should stay out of our wombs! Deciding to have an abortion is a terribly personal and difficult decision to make (a close friend of mine had one as a teenager). The (mostly) rich white men making the rules and sitting on court benches don't know a THING about the emotional and physical effects of rape, pregnancy, abortion, etc. and for them to decide who and who may not have an abortion is ludicrous.
IMO, we need to have sex ed (NOT "abstinence ed") spread throughout schools starting in middle school (yeah, I said it; look at how many kids in that age range are becoming pregnant!). Parents should also address the issue with their children in a kind, yet frank, way so that children are educated on the subject and feel that they can communicate with their parents about the subject with as little fear or embarrassment as possible.
But, by all means, keep the courts and lawmakers out of our wombs!!!!

i would say something about that statement of someone being molusted in their own home and there parents were had to know about it. just because it occurs in the same house as your parents doesnt mean they know about it and plus that person was family so there probably wasnt a reason not to trust this person with their daughter. and like i said earlier the odds are that this baby if born will be another ward of the state. i have known girls that got pregnant while in the system and they took their babies before they were a hour old. and the fact about women using abortions as a form of birth control i think thats bunch of crap im not saying there isnt some that do it but thats not its main reason. also i think if my states didnt have such strict rules about getting your tubes tied then maybe we wouldnt have that many unwanted babies.

and about the girl how do we know she wasnt a curious 13 yrold who happend to off gotten pregnant. not all of us got early sex ed classes. you could not imagine the things most girls of her age believe about getting pregnant. also we dont know if she used a condom or not. what is bad about this is she is more then likely being named some foul things all because the state wants to stick its nose in.
post #33 of 48
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Originally Posted by Loveysmummy
It just doesn't make sense for women to use it as birth control.
It does if the health insurance will cover abortions but not birth control...and I've had more than one insurance policy that does exactly that. And as a dependent, I know for a fact that my parent's insurance would cover a pregnancy/birth or abortion for a minor dependent, but not birth control.

If that isn't messed up, I don't know what is.
post #34 of 48
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Originally Posted by catlover7731
I read the article, but am not familiar with the case. How did she get pregnant? was it a boyfriend? Why is a 13 yr old having sex?! I think she should be allowed this abortion and be put on some type of birth control (implants?) and be forced to take some more sex education classes.
Due to privacy issues, the circumstances of the conception haven't been released. The girl ran away from a foster home and became pregnant, while out of the home.
post #35 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
Torri no reflection on you, but I don't consider the anti abortion folks to be "pro-life" they are anti choice. If they were pro-life they would care about the fetus AFTER it was born, And from where I sit working in health care and human services they sure don't. 17,000 children in NYC are homeless, where are those folks on that issue? Where is the out cry about that?
Hey thats not my Term its Theirs! I dont decide what groups call themselves, or how they conduct themselves,I just call it like it is. I've often wonderd why so called 'Pro life' groups bomb abortion clinics too!
post #36 of 48
This is all over the news here. The judge did rule that the 13 year old can have an abortion. He said it was safe for her physically and emotionally. Her mother is arguing that she should have to pay the consequences of her actions. She wants custody of the girl returned to her and wants to help her raise her baby. Here is one article I found:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/f...?storyid=36557

The state is refusing to over turn the judges order. She may have all ready had the abortion.
post #37 of 48
Valanhb, as someone who worked at an abortion clinic for nearly three years I must say, never once did I have a client who used their health insurance to pay for their abortion, and I probably talked to around 30-40 women per week. Those women who did have good health insurance were too ashamed to submit a claim.

As for abortion being used as a form of birth control, I've met fewer than a handful of women who were "regulars" at the clinic. I can really only think of two, but there may have been more. Most women were college aged to middle aged, but otherwise there was pretty equal representation with race, previous pregnancy to term, and varying incomes.

It is definitely suprising what young girls think about sex. I shadowed a social worker at a community health clinic once who told me about how often she gets girls coming in with torn-up vaginas because they think they can use foil as a condom. There was one young woman who was convinced she had gotten pregnant from anal sex because her partner pulled out. While I was an RA in college a lot of my residents thought that you could just take birth control pills right before sex, or that you could trade them with friends, thus missing your dose and your period.

There is always the infamous jelly lady who sued a contraceptive jelly company because she put the jelly on her toast and ate it, and of course got pregnant.

At the clinic I spoke with two women who had admitted they were raped and several others who would not admit they were raped, but by law they had been.

I hope that this girl was able to figure out what was best for herself and I hope that someone is able to care for her the way that she needs it so that this doesn't happen to her again.
post #38 of 48
I can only speak to what was in the various insurance policies that I've had, and what was and wasn't covered. I just always thought it was screwy and stupid that they wouldn't cover birth control but would cover all the options if you did get pregnant. It seemed like the insurance companies would rather not do any preventive medicine (birth control, weight control, stop smoking meds, etc.) and would rather deal with the more expensive consequences.

Thank you for sharing your experience, esrgirl.
post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by squirtle
This is all over the news here. The judge did rule that the 13 year old can have an abortion. He said it was safe for her physically and emotionally. Her mother is arguing that she should have to pay the consequences of her actions. She wants custody of the girl returned to her and wants to help her raise her baby. Here is one article I found:

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/f...?storyid=36557

The state is refusing to over turn the judges order. She may have all ready had the abortion.
Thanx for the update!
post #40 of 48
[quote=misstorri]Hey thats not my Term its Theirs! I dont decide what groups call themselves, or how they conduct themselves,I just call it like it is. I've often wonderd why so called 'Pro life' groups bomb abortion clinics too![/QUOT


Excuse me, but I don't think you read my post very carefully. I did say 'no reflection on you' in regards to the use of the term pro-life.
post #41 of 48
I also think it's pretty stupid that insurance companies won't cover BC but they will cover abortion. My mom's insurance company wouldn't even cover the pill for my endometriosis when I was a teenager. Even the prices for birth control at Planned Parenthood have gone up to $14-16 a month, depending on how many months worth you purchase. It is getting progressively more difficult for women to even get access to birth control, unless we happen to be lucky enough to live near a Title X clinic.
post #42 of 48
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Originally Posted by esrgirl
I also think it's pretty stupid that insurance companies won't cover BC but they will cover abortion. My mom's insurance company wouldn't even cover the pill for my endometriosis when I was a teenager. Even the prices for birth control at Planned Parenthood have gone up to $14-16 a month, depending on how many months worth you purchase. It is getting progressively more difficult for women to even get access to birth control, unless we happen to be lucky enough to live near a Title X clinic.
And yet some insurance companies will cover the cost of Viagra because it's being prescribed for a disorder...impotence! Does anyone still think it's NOT a male dominated world?
post #43 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
And yet some insurance companies will cover the cost of Viagra because it's being prescribed for a disorder...impotence! Does anyone still think it's NOT a male dominated world?
Only men, apparently.... They'll pay for you to make babies and have babies, but not to KEEP from having them, and then complain when you have to take time off work!

You know, I am really lucky. My insurance covers the Pill.
But, since I take the brand rather than the generic (on my doctor's advice), I have to pay triple the co-pay. Thank goodness it's on doctor's orders, otherwise I'd have to pay the difference in cost between the generic and brand, ON TOP OF my co-pay. Oh, and my insurance has a "preferred drug list", which means that you can get those brand drugs at the generic copay. Well, my brand isn't on that list. Talked to the doc to see what she thought of changing my scrip..she said no way, I was on the dose that I need to be on. Insurance doesn't seem to get that BC isn't a one-size-fits-all medicine.
post #44 of 48
i Heard that they were raising up the prices in germany for BC because they want young stupid people to have kids...
But yet not provide so much money to us, when we have the kids because we would be too young to even get a job with out any qualification
post #45 of 48
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Originally Posted by bumpy
From your position I would assume that you are against abortion save in instance of rape. If it is so, it should be pointed out that such a position undercuts the general anti-abortion position that on the 'sanctity of life' because why is the fetus of a person who is raped any less than a fetus that was conceived naturally.

But I would submit that because of her age, any sex she have would be considered as statutory rape therefore, therefore it cannot be considered as voluntary.

The thing is that even if the court decides that she is too immature to act, I fail to see how her guardian (state), which is supposed to act in her best interest can claim that it is in the interest of the girl to keep a child given her age.
I myself am pro-life. If I were raped I would still have the baby. As far as it being statutory rape, how old is the father of this baby? We need more details of what actually is going on. You would be amazed at how some thirteen year olds think and what they know. She could've known abortion was an option if she did get pregnant. If that is the case, then I weep for the future and what it will bring.
post #46 of 48
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Originally Posted by valanhb
It does if the health insurance will cover abortions but not birth control...and I've had more than one insurance policy that does exactly that. And as a dependent, I know for a fact that my parent's insurance would cover a pregnancy/birth or abortion for a minor dependent, but not birth control.

If that isn't messed up, I don't know what is.
In Canada, its free to have an abortion in a hospital.
And people aren't clamoring to use them as birth control.
You only have to pay to have one done in a private clinic (benefit there is shorter waiting times and the cost is about $500)

But that being said, I still think that there are psychological reasons behind not using birth control, rather than necessarily financial ones.
People that are reckless tend to be of the "i'm invincible, it won't happen to me" types. They generally learn that they aren't when they wind up pregnant.

Those women that are mature, even if financially strapped, WILL find a way to secure birth control.
There are also emergency methods available such as the morning after pill.
Also, even in the US, there are free condoms available everywhere.

I would suggest that most women, reckless or not, are not so mentally deficient to go through the physical and mental stress involved in having an abortion many times because they can't afford birth control.

Just my two cents.
post #47 of 48
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Originally Posted by valanhb
I can only speak to what was in the various insurance policies that I've had, and what was and wasn't covered. I just always thought it was screwy and stupid that they wouldn't cover birth control but would cover all the options if you did get pregnant. It seemed like the insurance companies would rather not do any preventive medicine (birth control, weight control, stop smoking meds, etc.) and would rather deal with the more expensive consequences.

Thank you for sharing your experience, esrgirl.
I agree, Heidi...That does not make sense whatsoever.
Perhaps they counted on these woman not wanting to submit a claim for this very personal and stigmatic procedure?
It would be smart if them if this was behind the reason, from a business side of things!!
post #48 of 48
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
And yet some insurance companies will cover the cost of Viagra because it's being prescribed for a disorder...impotence! Does anyone still think it's NOT a male dominated world?
I agree with you....I find it interesting that pharmasists are able to get away with dening a women birth control but if they were to denie a man viagra it's "different". My parents are pharmasists and they are not happy with thier collegues who refuse to fill birth control. They are not doctors and have no right in desciding what is in the best interest of the patient, that's the doctor's job.
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