One ****ty Kitty!

michele201 · Apr 27, 2005

Hello all, I'm so happy to find this forum.

I have a real problem on my hands and I'm looking for sound advice. I am the owner of two beautiful black cats. The oldest one is about 2 years old, we found her and nursed her back to health and she is a wonderful friend. (early on tho she was a vixen so I spend a lot of time saying "Bad kitty.....no! which she now answers to). My problem is with my new adoption, a lovely little black female who was named "Bad Kitty Deux" but now just gets called ****ty kitty because she literally poos everywhere in my apt.

I thought maybe she needed to be trained but I've seen her use the litter box. I've even gone as far as getting her a separate box and locking her in the bathroom to train her to use the box which she has used. Not one accident on the bathroom floor. But as soon as I let her out she runs to a random corner in the apt and poos on the carpet.

I've cleaned the spots with "natures miracle" promptly after each accident but still she does it. I've ordered a littermaid in hopes that maybe she just likes fresh litter.

Any suggestions before I launch her off the balcony?

okeefecl · Apr 27, 2005

Good morning and welcome to TCS! I've moved your thread to our Health forum, where you should get some good advice on how to deal with your problem.

fwan · Apr 27, 2005

it sounds like she is stressed.
Have you taken her to the vet?
I have to get my cat neutered asap because he has ruined literally everything in the house and im about to be in tears with all the new things i have to get.

rosiemac · Apr 27, 2005

I'd certainly have her seen by a vet just to have your mind put at rest, poor thing!

nano · Apr 27, 2005

How many litter boxes do you have?

If you have two cats, people will recommend that you keep three litter boxes available for them.

pat · Apr 27, 2005

I would def. have a vet exam - pooping in inappropriate places can be due to pain/gi distress.

hissy · Apr 27, 2005

First of all before you "launch her off your balcony" take her to the vet and have a complete physical done on her, including blood work. Usually when a cat is pooping out of the box it is because the cat is ill and trying to get your attention. A vet visit is always the first order of business, the sooner the better. Then if the vet gives you cat a clean bill of health- you look at other factors- the stress level in the home, the environment of the litter pan- how many pans this cat has- she should have two, ideally, three. There are sticky threads in the behavior forum about inappropriate pooping and ideas as to why it is happening. But please get this cat to to the vet.

michele201 · Apr 27, 2005

Originally Posted by fwan

it sounds like she is stressed.
Have you taken her to the vet?
I have to get my cat neutered asap because he has ruined literally everything in the house and im about to be in tears with all the new things i have to get.

We've been to the vet, he says she's in good health other than the diarreah. She's only 9 weeks old so the vet won't allow me to get her fixed.

michele201 · Apr 27, 2005

Originally Posted by hissy

First of all before you "launch her off your balcony" take her to the vet and have a complete physical done on her, including blood work. Usually when a cat is pooping out of the box it is because the cat is ill and trying to get your attention. A vet visit is always the first order of business, the sooner the better. Then if the vet gives you cat a clean bill of health- you look at other factors- the stress level in the home, the environment of the litter pan- how many pans this cat has- she should have two, ideally, three. There are sticky threads in the behavior forum about inappropriate pooping and ideas as to why it is happening. But please get this cat to to the vet.

When I got the kitten, I took her to the vet and he gave her a clean bill of health. I explained the diarreah and the pooping around my apt. and he said that if I could get a solid stool sample to bring it in and he'd test her for worms. Other than that he gave her a clean bill of health.

I have two litter boxes, one in the bathroom where she's been living for the past two days. Yesterday she used the box and had no accidents so I let her out this morning as a reward and she promptly went to a corner in the living room and pooed on the carpet. I put her back in the bathroom where she again used the litter box and only I found an accident on the bathroom floor which really scared me because there was a pile of pasty stool and I saw blood in it so I'm pretty worried.

I plan on calling the vet in the morning and asking for an emergency visit. Thanks so much for all the advice, (I wasn't really gonna launch her off the balcony).

hissy · Apr 27, 2005

She's only 9 weeks old? She should still be with mom and learning how to use the litter pan. Go to the grocery store and buy those disposable foil pans, the ones you can bake cakes in. Buy about four of these and put them around the room that you feed her in. She is simply to young , and so you need to provide her with more litter pans, until she gets the hang of it. Your other cat will be instrumental in teaching her how to use the litter pans. She is pooing on the same spots as before, because her scent is there and so it is "ok" for her to do so. You need to get rid of the smell and www.odordestroyer.com or www.urine-off.com have the products you need to break down the enzymes.

OOps, looks like odordestroyer is having problems with their server at the moment-

pat · Apr 27, 2005

Just a followup - the blood can just be irritation from the diarrhea - could she be reacting to the food - is this new food for her? Or she could have giardia - just a not fun to diagnose parasite because if not shedding at the time of the stool sample, no eggs will show up (as I recall...we had a go around with clearing this up in a cat years ago..it's also known as "beaver fever" as folks camping in the mountains who drink untreated stream water can get this..it also can show up in well water..just a nasty bugger.)

clixpix · Apr 27, 2005

One of my foster kittens last year, Pip, did the same thing. He'd poop in the pans, but also on the floor, any beds I bought, the windowsill...everywhere. He also got a clean bill of health when examined. When he was older, and got neutered, it was then that they saw he had a hernia, which was repaired. After that? No problem. I think Pip probably was having some gastro-intestinal pain that he was dealing with.

beckiboo · Apr 27, 2005

When my beloved Festus had worms real bad, after treating her she started pooing around the house. I finally figured out what was happening. She had diarrhea from the worms and medicine. It caused her to have very loud, very stinky poos in the litter box. Once I saw her poo, then run straight out of the litter box, scared by the noise of her loose stool.

Well, it just got worse. She was holding her poo in-you would see her belly get more round. Then I think she would be hiding in the corner of a bedroom, when out the poo came. She is normally very fastidious and neat, and I think she was just very upset by all the stink and mess, and scared by the loud noise.

After a week or so of poos under beds, in corners, etc, I locked her in a cage with her own litter box. I kept it very clean. She learned to trust the litterbox again very quickly. It may take your baby longer. (Fest was about 10 months old when this happened.) Keep her in the bathroom or a cage until the diarrhea clears up and she is using the litter box. Give her extra boxes, try different litters, etc.

It is very possible your kitty had a noisy poo that scared her, or stomach cramps when pooing in the litter box, and has learned not to trust it. But cats are naturally clean, and she doesn't want to poo all over. She can't help it, poor baby. Good luck with your little stinker. It was very annoying when Festie was pooing all over, but I already knew her to be neat. I think your kitty will learn, too.

rarepuss · Apr 27, 2005

welcome

Only 9 weeks? she's too young and may just need more training.. plus, you probably need more litter pans, because the kitten is young and may not hold the pee/poo long enough to get to a box.

Lots of good advice here.. good luck!

the bunchies · Apr 29, 2005

Michele201 said:
Hello all, I'm so happy to find this forum.

I have a real problem on my hands and I'm looking for sound advice. I am the owner of two beautiful black cats. The oldest one is about 2 years old, we found her and nursed her back to health and she is a wonderful friend. (early on tho she was a vixen so I spend a lot of time saying "Bad kitty.....no! which she now answers to). My problem is with my new adoption, a lovely little black female who was named "Bad Kitty Deux" but now just gets called ****ty kitty because she literally poos everywhere in my apt.

I thought maybe she needed to be trained but I've seen her use the litter box. I've even gone as far as getting her a separate box and locking her in the bathroom to train her to use the box which she has used. Not one accident on the bathroom floor. But as soon as I let her out she runs to a random corner in the apt and poos on the carpet.

I've cleaned the spots with "natures miracle" promptly after each accident but still she does it. I've ordered a littermaid in hopes that maybe she just likes fresh litter.

Any suggestions before I launch her off the balcony?

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Dear Sh**** Kitty's Mommy,
We can smile and joke but it is a heart breaking feeling and very frustrating when your babies are going "Outside the Box" I feel for you and wish I could make it go away. Once when I brought our "Wild Wilson" home as a tiny kitten, (he is another story I have to share with you later) one of the stinkers started pee peeing on the floor. Well, I got out the old black light and I sat in the middle of my living room and cried at all the bright yellow markings, they were everywhere. The first thing I did was take everyone to the vets and nothing was found wrong at that time, I pleaded with the vet and everyone else to please help me to make this go away, but it didn't until I did something and it took lots of love, patience and natures miracle, but finally it stopped. I had to retrain their behaviors and there was no quick cure. Now with poo poo I think it might be a different story, and actually I think its a little easier with poo poo at least you can see it and nothing rates as high on the stinky meter then cat urine! Not too long after all the tears and the messing stopped the real reason came out, it wasn't Wild Willy it was a very sick kitty that associated her pain with the place she went pee pee. See cats are a lot smarter the humans, if you go poo poo in a certain place and it hurts, it must be the place I left my little pile that makes it hurt.
This might not be what is happening, its just a suggestion, if SK is pee peeing in the box and doing poo poo in different places I would take SK to the vets and see if there is something near the poop shute that is irritated, or painful when she do the po, and she keeps going in different places so maybe the next place won't hurt.
Cats are naturally very clean animals and natural hunters, and this is why they bury their urine and poo poo, its instinctive and natural. Going "every where" is not natural and goes against their natural instinct. Hopefully you can get some help here because I know what you are feeling.
Love,
The Bunchies

meiam · Apr 29, 2005

Originally Posted by hissy

She's only 9 weeks old? She should still be with mom and learning how to use the litter pan. ... She is simply to young -

i got my kitten when she was 5 weeks old and she has used the litter box fine has never pooped on my floor

pat · Apr 29, 2005

Originally Posted by meiam

i got my kitten when she was 5 weeks old and she has used the litter box fine has never pooped on my floor

Honestly, you are both lucky and have perhaps you have an extra smart kitty who figured it out rather young

I would never, ever split a kitten away from it's mom and siblings at 5 weeks (I assume this was an orphan situation or simply someone who thought kittens were like puppies and ready to go by 6 weeks or so)..and they really do need the socialization they get from staying with mom, ideally, until 12 weeks...10 at the earliest.

Just my experience over the years with kittens,

loveysmummy · Apr 29, 2005

Originally Posted by Pat & Alix

simply someone who thought kittens were like puppies and ready to go by 6 weeks or so)..and they really do need the socialization they get from staying with mom, ideally, until 12 weeks...10 at the earliest.

Just my experience over the years with kittens,

Puppies shouldn't be separated at 6 weeks either..Way too young!
I agree..A 5 week old kitten shouldn't be without its mum

meiam · Apr 29, 2005

Originally Posted by Pat & Alix

Honestly, you are both lucky and have perhaps you have an extra smart kitty who figured it out rather young

I would never, ever split a kitten away from it's mom and siblings at 5 weeks (I assume this was an orphan situation or simply someone who thought kittens were like puppies and ready to go by 6 weeks or so)..and they really do need the socialization they get from staying with mom, ideally, until 12 weeks...10 at the earliest.

Just my experience over the years with kittens,

it was an orphan situation the mommy was killed, but the baby is 7 weeks now, very well adjusted and very happy!

and still always uses her litter box

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