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Should Moussaoui get the death penalty?

post #1 of 16
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http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/22/moussaoui/index.html I'm leaning towards "no", for two reasons. I think the death penalty is overused, and should be restricted to serial killers or actual mass murderers like Timothy McVeigh. I also think the guilty plea should be taken into account. On the other hand, this guy shows no remorse, and he did conspire to mass murder.
post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by jcat
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/22/moussaoui/index.html I'm leaning towards "no", for two reasons. I think the death penalty is overused, and should be restricted to serial killers or actual mass murderers like Timothy McVeigh. I also think the guilty plea should be taken into account. On the other hand, this guy shows no remorse, and he did conspire to mass murder.
I'm against the death penalty, but also in this case I understand he isn't fully with it and the story could all be lies. We will never know.
post #3 of 16
I think he should be sentanced to death. but that's just me
post #4 of 16
I think rotting away in a jail cell for life is the harsher treatment. Besides wouldn't he think death is a glorious way to go..a martyr's death as in the suicide/homicide bombers? Tricia as a side note, I first read the thread's title as--Should Mussolini get the Death Penalty..lol! I thought, doesn't Tricia know he's dead already? Strung up by his toes I think.
post #5 of 16
i think giving this man the death penalty would be an easy way out for him.

Spending the rest of his life rotting away in jail would surely be more punishment?!
post #6 of 16
I believe in "an eye for an eye". It would be fitting if he could die once for every life he's taken. It's very unfortunate that he can only die once.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by Kellyyfaber
I believe in "an eye for an eye". It would be fitting if he could die once for every life he's taken. It's very unfortunate that he can only die once.
That's the big question. Other people in custody and awaiting trial for planning 9/11 say he wasn't involved in those attacks, and he claims he was supposed to mount a separate attack on the White House at a later/earlier date. So has he actually taken any lives, or will he be put to death because Bin Laden got away, and the 9/11 terrorists are for the most part dead?
He's certainly not innocent, but should he be put to death for a planned attack on the White House, or for crimes he may not have been involved in?
There hasn't been a trial, and now there won't be, so nothing has actually been proven before a court of law.
I don't have a problem with Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh getting the death penalty, as they probably will once they've been tried, because they helped plan 9/11.
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Originally Posted by jcat
That's the big question. Other people in custody and awaiting trial for planning 9/11 say he wasn't involved in those attacks, and he claims he was supposed to mount a separate attack on the White House at a later/earlier date. So has he actually taken any lives, or will he be put to death because Bin Laden got away, and the 9/11 terrorists are for the most part dead?
He's certainly not innocent, but should he be put to death for a planned attack on the White House, or for crimes he may not have been involved in?
There hasn't been a trial, and now there won't be, so nothing has actually been proven before a court of law.
I don't have a problem with Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi Binalshibh getting the death penalty, as they probably will once they've been tried, because they helped plan 9/11.
Al Quaeda (sp?) is responsible for many other attacks, though. Isn't he pleading guilty, though? I'm rethinking the death penalty thing now, I don't want to make him a martyr.
post #9 of 16
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Al Quaeda (sp?) is responsible for many other attacks, though. Isn't he pleading guilty, though? I'm rethinking the death penalty thing now, I don't want to make him a martyr.
That's what some of the 9/11 victims' families have said, i.e., that it's not a good idea to make a martyr out of him.
As I said, I'm still trying to think this through. Al Qaeda is a pretty big organization, which has carried out several successful attacks, with a horrifying number of victims. The same could be said of the Ku Klux Klan. So should all members of either organization, whether they were active or behind-the scene participants in specific attacks leading to death and destruction or not, be eligible for the death penalty?
And, as Marge said, this guy doesn't seem to be fully with it. Was he caught because he acted stupidly, or did he act stupidly in order to get caught and not have to die a martyr? Did he decide to plead guilty in order to become a martyr to the cause? Or in an attempt to escape the death penalty?
post #10 of 16
I suspect he does things mostly to be defiant. So I suspect he wanted to be able to say "yeah I did it" and be sort of puffed up. I don't believe anything he says.
post #11 of 16
I don't know about you folks, but I'm pretty sick and tired of my tax dollars providing prisoners with better meals than most little poor children, extended learning paid for with my tax dollars, i.e., university degrees (Karla Holmalka is a good example), small sentences (she only got 12 years).

I say if these people are not serving a decent place in society, get rid of them and save that money or give it to the poor.

Ok- time to get off my box now.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by jcat
That's what some of the 9/11 victims' families have said, i.e., that it's not a good idea to make a martyr out of him.
As I said, I'm still trying to think this through. Al Qaeda is a pretty big organization, which has carried out several successful attacks, with a horrifying number of victims. The same could be said of the Ku Klux Klan. So should all members of either organization, whether they were active or behind-the scene participants in specific attacks leading to death and destruction or not, be eligible for the death penalty?
And, as Marge said, this guy doesn't seem to be fully with it. Was he caught because he acted stupidly, or did he act stupidly in order to get caught and not have to die a martyr? Did he decide to plead guilty in order to become a martyr to the cause? Or in an attempt to escape the death penalty?
All good points!! Boy, I'm glad I'm not responsible for what happens to him. It's a real dilemma. I trust that justice, whatever form that is, will be served.
post #13 of 16
[quote=Yosemite]I don't know about you folks, but I'm pretty sick and tired of my tax dollars providing prisoners with better meals than most little poor children, extended learning paid for with my tax dollars, i.e., university degrees (Karla Holmalka is a good example), small sentences (she only got 12 years).

I say if these people are not serving a decent place in society, get rid of them and save that money or give it to the poor.

Actually, it costs MORE to execute than life in prison, due to the appeals system. To change that we have to change the appeals system. I don't see that happening any time soon. Here's one article about it.


http://www.mindspring.com/~phporter/econ.html
post #14 of 16
If it costs more to excute someone than let them spend life in prision then the system needs to be revamped I'm afraid.

As far as what this guy deserves? He deserves to be given to the families of those that died in the 9-11 attacks and let them do what they will. I know that it won't happen but it would be nice. Death is too good for him and his like but a lifetime of torture would be just fine. As it is, I'd like him to get life in prision but I want him to be in the general population, I'm not sure he'd last long but hey it would be cheap.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
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Actually, it costs MORE to execute than life in prison, due to the appeals system. To change that we have to change the appeals system. I don't see that happening any time soon. Here's one article about it.[/b]


http://www.mindspring.com/~phporter/econ.html
Further PROOF that our North American justice system is no system at all. I feel bad for our police who daily put their lives on the line to nab the bad guys only to see the "system" lets them go with a slap on the wrist. Makes me burn - and no I know no police, have no relatives who are police or friends who are police. I just support these courageous men and women.
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by jcat
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/04/22/moussaoui/index.html I'm leaning towards "no", for two reasons. I think the death penalty is overused, and should be restricted to serial killers or actual mass murderers like Timothy McVeigh. I also think the guilty plea should be taken into account. On the other hand, this guy shows no remorse, and he did conspire to mass murder.
Im not against the death penalty but I dont know why, If when you die you meet the great creator then death is to beautiful for people like him! I think he should grow very old in a very small jail cell,with a best friend named Bubba!
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