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post #1 of 28
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Check this out: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...=1113241438218

All I have to say about this is: Oh, and I already hated Domino's Pizza anyway!
post #2 of 28
These people have a screwed interpitation of American History. We were founded by people wanting religious freedom, get rich quick, and criminals. This country has always had a diverse popuationand we should alway respect that.
These people have no respect for the privacy of others. Therefore they do not respect others. If they would listen to what they have been taught in sunday school they would realize that. Respect other regardless if you agree with them or not. Don't push your beliefs on others b/c you think it's right. Stay out of the personal lives of others it is none of you bisness what people do behind closed doors.
I'm not saying you people can't be religious, they can. If you don't agree with abortion, gay marriage... that's fine, but don't tell two people who have been together for 20+ years that they are wrong because they are gay. Don't tell a rape victum that she can't have an abortion if she so choses.
It's called respect and people need to start using it.
post #3 of 28
And why are they picking on John Lennon?
"It helps that Dominionists have a direct line to the White House: The Rev. Richard Land, top lobbyist for the 16-million-member Southern Baptist Convention, enjoys a weekly conference call with top Bush advisers including Karl Rove. "We've got the Holy Spirit's wind at our backs!" Land declares in an arm-waving, red-faced speech. He takes particular aim at the threat posed by John Lennon, denouncing "Imagine" as a "secular anthem" that envisions a future of "clone plantations, child sacrifice, legalized polygamy and hard-core porn."
I agree that Imagine is not a Christian song, but comeon!
BTW, I agree Amy, Domino's is the worst pizza available.
post #4 of 28
I don't believe in any of that Pilgrim or Puritan hokey-balony! The Pilgrims were most likely sent on the Mayflower as prisoners, the same as those sent to Australia. I can't imagine any group of people risking their lives and willingly traveling to an unknown land full of complete unknowns for religious freedom.

The Thanksgiving story that we learn in schools as part of "official" history is a complete myth.

Who founded this country? The American Indians are the native and indigenous people here. Then the British claimed it as their colony.
post #5 of 28
"It helps that Dominionists have a direct line to the White House: The Rev. Richard Land, top lobbyist for the 16-million-member Southern Baptist Convention, enjoys a weekly conference call with top Bush advisers including Karl Rove."
That makes me shudder. How do these people differ from the Taliban? Or Iran's late Ayatollah Khomeini? I'll bet Eric Rudolph is one of their heroes. If they want a theocracy, they can go to Iran. I came across one of these in a thread on Terri Schiavo on another site, and simply couldn't believe how she went on about true Christians being persecuted, etc.. It really nauseated me.
post #6 of 28
The only good of all this is it made me appreciate Reagan all that much more. Reagan at least had the sense to ignore these people after he courted them in 1980. He didn't accept their calls, as oppose to the current administration.

Oh their idiots, but every idiot has their day unfortunately.
post #7 of 28
One of my old anthro profs sent me this article in an email the other day- which ties in nicely I think-

Scott Ritter: "Neocons as Parasites" By Larisa Alexandrovna

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21631/

Scott Ritter is a former UN weapons inspector.

The neoconservative movement and the far Christian right certainly seem to be connected at the hip.

The amusing thing, I think, is that what was the Puritan church is now the United Church of Christ, one of the most liberal denominations in the world. They are open and affirming to GLBT persons and avid activists for peace and justice.

I just ordered Domino's pizza a couple of days ago. It makes me a little sick that Dr. Dobson is going to see some of my pizza money.
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*shudder*
post #9 of 28
Marge, That's what I don't get. Reagan was so obviously opposed to any former affliation that he had with these people, as was Bush Sr., yet they still cling to Reagan and so many Republicans are moving over to their side. It seems so very anti everything the Republican party has traditionally stood for, but they are the vehicle for making this happen.
post #10 of 28
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Originally Posted by esrgirl
One of my old anthro profs sent me this article in an email the other day- which ties in nicely I think-

Scott Ritter: "Neocons as Parasites" By Larisa Alexandrovna

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21631/

Scott Ritter is a former UN weapons inspector.

The neoconservative movement and the far Christian right certainly seem to be connected at the hip.
That's a very interesting interview with the same Scott Ritter the conservative media tried to paint as some sort of nut prior to the invasion of Iraq.
I didn't support Reagan, in particular because of his "voodoo economics", thought Bush Sr. was far better at foreign than domestic policy, and generally considered Gingrich a buffoon. I therefore switched my allegiance from the Republican to the Democratic Party, but can still vote for moderate Republican candidates. The problem is, there are few moderates in either major party.
I'm not the least bit happy with the current administration or Republican Congressional leaders (DeLay, Frist, et. al.), because my impression is that they're non-democratic ideologues intent on enriching themselves and their corporate backers, and, quite frankly, a danger to the United States. They've alienated so many countries and people that another 9/11, without the international outpouring of sympathy, seems almost inevitable. Ritter's assessment might appear a bit extreme to those who think an imperialist dictatorship would be impossible in the U.S., but they should consider that the defeat of the Axis powers came just 60 years ago.
The U.S. is currently perceived as a "bully", which is dangerous, because other countries (China, India) have bigger populations and higher economic growth. Instead of trying to reach compromises, the U.S., or I should say those in control right now, is/are trying to impose its/their interests on the rest of the world. I don't think it's going to work.
post #11 of 28
OUOTE/ The godfather of the Dominionists is D. James Kennedy, the most influential evangelical you've never heard of. A former Arthur Murray dance instructor, he launched his Florida ministry in 1959, when most evangelicals still followed Billy Graham's gospel of nonpartisan soul-saving.

I wish he would Cha-Cha his way out of everyone elses business and beliefs.
This country is getting scarier and scarier. And the buffoon at the top probably condones all this.
post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
OUOTE/ The godfather of the Dominionists is D. James Kennedy, the most influential evangelical you've never heard of. A former Arthur Murray dance instructor, he launched his Florida ministry in 1959, when most evangelicals still followed Billy Graham's gospel of nonpartisan soul-saving.

I wish he would Cha-Cha his way out of everyone elses business and beliefs.
This country is getting scarier and scarier. And the buffoon at the top probably condones all this.
You might be able to get political asylum in Canada or the European Union.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by esrgirl
One of my old anthro profs sent me this article in an email the other day- which ties in nicely I think-

Scott Ritter: "Neocons as Parasites" By Larisa Alexandrovna

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/21631/

Scott Ritter is a former UN weapons inspector.

The neoconservative movement and the far Christian right certainly seem to be connected at the hip.

The amusing thing, I think, is that what was the Puritan church is now the United Church of Christ, one of the most liberal denominations in the world. They are open and affirming to GLBT persons and avid activists for peace and justice.

I just ordered Domino's pizza a couple of days ago. It makes me a little sick that Dr. Dobson is going to see some of my pizza money.
Wow, that is a great article, I mean scary but good. It clears things up for me, the Rice thing, what a doofus she is. And I knew the clothes thing etc was set up. And Bolton just has to be stopped, I mean the UN may have some stuff to clear up lately BUT we need it. What organization doesn't have problems.
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by jcat
You might be able to get political asylum in Canada or the European Union.
Hmm,Tricia you got me thinking. Let's see, I already know all the words to O Canada, that's a good start. And from what I understand if you can prove a significant amount of Irish heritage you can get automatic citizenship in Ireland. That's 50% for me and I understand Kinsale, County Cork is lovely. I still have relatives in the Czech Republic, so that's an idea. They always told us in nursing school, you can get a job anywhere!
post #15 of 28
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Esrgirl, that link you provided was a great tie-in; man, more scary stuff to read though!
Mom of Franz, I'm definitely contemplating leaving the US one day, too. You get your home in Ireland, I'll get my home on the coast of Spain, and we can rent our homes to each other during the summer as time shares!
And to your question Renee: Why did they attack "Imagine"? Same stupid reason why they attacked Tinky Winky and Spongebob: because they're paranoid twits who think everything in the mainstream is anti-far-right Christian. If they keep it up, those opposed WILL look for ways to include anti-far-right messages in their music/cartoons/shows, etc. At least I would.
BTW, I'm coming out with an album called :Texas Called- Their Village Is Missing an Idiot. Any takers?
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
Esrgirl, that link you provided was a great tie-in; man, more scary stuff to read though!
Mom of Franz, I'm definitely contemplating leaving the US one day, too. You get your home in Ireland, I'll get my home on the coast of Spain, and we can rent our homes to each other during the summer as time shares!
And to your question Renee: Why did they attack "Imagine"? Same stupid reason why they attacked Tinky Winky and Spongebob: because they're paranoid twits who think everything in the mainstream is anti-far-right Christian. If they keep it up, those opposed WILL look for ways to include anti-far-right messages in their music/cartoons/shows, etc. At least I would.
BTW, I'm coming out with an album called :Texas Called- Their Village Is Missing an Idiot. Any takers?
Woo-Wheeee! Time share sounds good to me! I'll be first in line to buy your album...WHAT A GREAT TITLE. May I suggest another song track...It Takes an Idiot to Ruin a Village.
post #17 of 28
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Originally Posted by caterpillar
I don't believe in any of that Pilgrim or Puritan hokey-balony! The Pilgrims were most likely sent on the Mayflower as prisoners, the same as those sent to Australia. I can't imagine any group of people risking their lives and willingly traveling to an unknown land full of complete unknowns for religious freedom.

The Thanksgiving story that we learn in schools as part of "official" history is a complete myth.

Who founded this country? The American Indians are the native and indigenous people here. Then the British claimed it as their colony.
The Pilgrims left for the new world to escape religious intolerance in Europe. Australia was set up totally diferently the the American Colonies because of the American Revolution. They were not going to try to make a "new England" there too b/c of what happened here.
Believe it or not people have and did risk everything for religious freedom. Here they were free to worship in whatever way they wish without fear of jail time or even death. Sounds like a good reason to me.. And if I remember correctly, they were supose to work as indentured servents in Virginia but landed in Mass. instead. People risked thier lives for the chance to start over. things were not all that great in Birtian for the lower classes.
The thanksgiving story in not a "complete myth" Yes the colony needed help and yes the native americans helped, but sharing a meal with them is the myth. The colonies gave pots and pans and guns to the natives while getting furs and pelts in return. This country was unknow to Europe until 1492, everyone knows that story I think. It was founded in that sence.
The only Britsh coloney that was founded by crimnals was Gerogia. That was to provide a "buffer zone" from the American colonies and the Spanish in Flordia.
Yes myth has taken over some aspects of history, but not all. There is some truth to them, believe or not.
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
Esrgirl, that link you provided was a great tie-in; man, more scary stuff to read though!
Mom of Franz, I'm definitely contemplating leaving the US one day, too. You get your home in Ireland, I'll get my home on the coast of Spain, and we can rent our homes to each other during the summer as time shares!
And to your question Renee: Why did they attack "Imagine"? Same stupid reason why they attacked Tinky Winky and Spongebob: because they're paranoid twits who think everything in the mainstream is anti-far-right Christian. If they keep it up, those opposed WILL look for ways to include anti-far-right messages in their music/cartoons/shows, etc. At least I would.
BTW, I'm coming out with an album called :Texas Called- Their Village Is Missing an Idiot. Any takers?
And the release date is...?
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
And the release date is...?
Tee hee.

I was so annoyed recently, a friend of mine was telling about some article he read about Bush and how he may be considered a "great President" if things go well in the middle east. And I am happy that things are better but doesn't being called a "great President" have SOMETHING to do with domestic issues too? Is it just foreign policy? Cause the local folks are getting screwed right and left ...but the Iraqi's got the vote...what does this say?
post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by Marge
Tee hee.

I was so annoyed recently, a friend of mine was telling about some article he read about Bush and how he may be considered a "great President" if things go well in the middle east. And I am happy that things are better but doesn't being called a "great President" have SOMETHING to do with domestic issues too? Is it just foreign policy? Cause the local folks are getting screwed right and left ...but the Iraqi's got the vote...what does this say?
Don't you mean the local folks are getting screwed....left? Because as far as I can tell, the right is doing alright under this administration!
I agree though- what they're considering "success" in the middle east has cost so many lives and our nation is falling to pieces. Nope, Shrub needs to be planted back in Texas!
post #21 of 28
Now I just read this article.. These people just don't stop, do they?

A High-Tech Lynching in Prime Time- by Frank Rich

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/24/op...&ex=1114660800
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by esrgirl
Now I just read this article.. These people just don't stop, do they?

A High-Tech Lynching in Prime Time- by Frank Rich

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/24/op...&ex=1114660800
Excellent article! Who do they think they're fooling????
post #23 of 28
anyway regarding pizza
i used to like the dominoes pizza in england.
Last time i had it was when i was 5 though!
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by esrgirl
Now I just read this article.. These people just don't stop, do they?

A High-Tech Lynching in Prime Time- by Frank Rich

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/24/op...&ex=1114660800
Excellent editorial! I love the comparisons with George Wallace.
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For the most part I agree with that article, however I live in Indiana, which makes things a bit different. We have a church in my hometown that is on its way to becoming a Mega church that effectively managed to keep a local public college from presenting a play with gay characters. In my hometown you are much, much more likely to be argued with if you are for gay rights or if you are a progressive evangelical, than if you are a conservative evagelical who is opposed to gay rights. There is barely any intolerance of the conservative Christian ethic around here. They have the numbers when it comes to government, business, school boards, etc. The liberals are definitely the minority and from what I've been told it has always been that way. I think that to twist the idea of persecution and tout that conservative Christians are in some way being persecuted in this area would be ridiculous. I know many conservative Christians, many in my own family, who believe they are being persecuted on par with what the early Christians experienced because they can't put the ten commandments up in public government facilities. Dobson's comments aren't just fleeting and taken out of context. He has a history of making these sorts of comments. I've read several of his books, I used to have a subscription to his magazine.

There are obviously a lot of issues with both sides of the debate.

I think the best books that I've read recently that touched on the differences and problems between conservative and progressive evangelicals were writen by a man named Donald Miller. "Searching for God Knows What" and "Blue Like Jazz." In both he talks about the danger of pitting oneself against the religious right and somehow demonizing them.
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Originally Posted by Catfur
Interesting article. Knowing the National Review's bias, though, I have to ask what the author's agenda is.
post #28 of 28
One thing that I've noticed, going to a very liberal seminary attached to a very liberal undergraduate private school, is that there definitely is an overall tendency to to dismiss the fundementalist perspective and the people who support it. However, our sister seminary right next too us, where we share classes and curricula, has a number of conservative students. Some with GW stickers on their car, some who oppose GLBT rights. We are able to not just coexist, but to thrive together. I think this article misses that. And of course, it is the National Review, which is not any less biased or inflamatory than the authors it mentions in this article.
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