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post #31 of 59
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Originally Posted by valanhb
The thread was about a Viet Nam Veteran who made a statement, albeit a rather gross one from her side, against Jane Fonda. So we talk about Jane Fonda.

My honest opinion? Speaking only from the basis of those men that I know personally who served in that era, they don't feel abandoned. They didn't expect the government to give them hand-outs for the rest of their lives, they didn't expect someone else to take care of them. Those who were injured are being compensated with monthly checks if they qualify and apply. Again, the simple answer is that they don't see things in the same way that you do. Neither right nor wrong, just different.
All right Heidi, really, it's their business if they feel this way. It's a pretty big elephant though, if you care to even attempt to see the point I am making, that waiting 3 decades to look for MIA's, or cutting much deserved pensions is just ok and Fonda is the devil. Ok? That's all I am saying. Ok? Can I say it?
post #32 of 59
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Originally Posted by Marge
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory?id=688111

You know I think it's time to let the Jane Fonda thing go. It was so damn long ago and I for one am sick and tired of reading things about it.
Gee, seems to me the title is "Man spits on Jane Fonda" and I thought you wanted to " let the Jane Fonda thing go"...I must have missed something there
post #33 of 59
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Originally Posted by Marge
All right Heidi, really, it's their business if they feel this way. It's a pretty big elephant though, if you care to even attempt to see the point I am making, that waiting 3 decades to look for MIA's, or cutting much deserved pensions is just ok and Fonda is the devil. Ok? That's all I am saying. Ok? Can I say it?
All I'm saying is that if you want to talk about that, then make a thread about it, but don't expect that when you start a thread about Jane Fonda that everyone is going to start complaining about the government. For once we were actually staying on topic.

Sure, OK, yes...many Veterans are upset about things well beyond Jane Fonda. But they are ALSO still pissed about how they were treated by the public on their return, and Jane Fonda, being the most recognized and vocal of those, takes the brunt of that resentment even after 30 years. I said in my first or second post that she is a scapegoat.
post #34 of 59
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Originally Posted by valanhb
All I'm saying is that if you want to talk about that, then make a thread about it, but don't expect that when you start a thread about Jane Fonda that everyone is going to start complaining about the government. For once we were actually staying on topic.

Sure, OK, yes...many Veterans are upset about things well beyond Jane Fonda. But they are ALSO still pissed about how they were treated by the public on their return, and Jane Fonda, being the most recognized and vocal of those, takes the brunt of that resentment even after 30 years. I said in my first or second post that she is a scapegoat.
Thanks, that is all I wanted to point out.
post #35 of 59
Marge, I'm with you on this one. My husband was drafted right out of high school and served in a colonial war named Vietnam. How fair was it that if you went to college, you could get a deferment and not be drafted? How fair was it that if your daddy or your family had big bucks, you could join the National Guard and not be sent there?

My husband has always been ashamed of his service. He would never tell me why, but I found out.
post #36 of 59
Of course they are angry at those that did this to them. From their captors on down to the politicians that did little or nothing to improve their plight there, or when they came home from war to be spat upon and labelled as baby killers. That is why many of them are so political, and I do not personally know a single one that does not vote their conscience, whichever side it falls on.
Most of the people that they are angry at have died, faded into obscurity, or are inaccessible. Jane Fonda just keeps sticking her head out to be fired upon, reminding them what they went through, and how she in her own way, contributed to it. She relishes the attention, good or bad. Having that guy spit on her probably made her day.
post #37 of 59
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Originally Posted by caterpillar
Marge, I'm with you on this one. My husband was drafted right out of high school and served in a colonial war named Vietnam. How fair was it that if you went to college, you could get a deferment and not be drafted? How fair was it that if your daddy or your family had big bucks, you could join the National Guard and not be sent there?

My husband has always been ashamed of his service. He would never tell me why, but I found out.
Yeah the whole college thing was so wrong. I hope your husband doesn't carry shame that isn't his though.
post #38 of 59
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Originally Posted by rapunzel47
Gee, seems to me the title is "Man spits on Jane Fonda" and I thought you wanted to " let the Jane Fonda thing go"...I must have missed something there
Me too. I thought most of this was covered in the LAST Jane Fonda thread. I don't hate the woman, but I can surely understand why veterans and their loved ones dislike her. For the record and to stay on topic, I don't condone the spitting.
post #39 of 59
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2
Of course they are angry at those that did this to them. From their captors on down to the politicians that did little or nothing to improve their plight there, or when they came home from war to be spat upon and labelled as baby killers. That is why many of them are so political, and I do not personally know a single one that does not vote their conscience, whichever side it falls on.
Most of the people that they are angry at have died, faded into obscurity, or are inaccessible. Jane Fonda just keeps sticking her head out to be fired upon, reminding them what they went through, and how she in her own way, contributed to it. She relishes the attention, good or bad. Having that guy spit on her probably made her day.
Well we don't really know what she relishes or what she doesn't.
post #40 of 59
It appears to me that she relishes the attention. If she didn't, she would just shut up about it. She has done a lot of other things she could run her mouth about. She could talk about the mediocre movies she made, or how she rode other family member's coat tails to her career, or how she is gold digging Ted Turner.
post #41 of 59
I guess some people ust can't let things go. It was 40 years ago. He could have handled things alot differently. If he disagreed with her that much, he could of just said so in a clam manner. Spitting is not only disgusting, it's rude. If I was ralated to him I would be ashamed.
post #42 of 59
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2
It appears to me that she relishes the attention. If she didn't, she would just shut up about it. She has done a lot of other things she could run her mouth about. She could talk about the mediocre movies she made, or how she rode other family member's coat tails to her career, or how she is gold digging Ted Turner.
MEDIOCRE MOVIES? Well let's see between winning two academy awards for Klute and Coming Home she made:

On Golden Pond
Julia
The China Syndrome
Agnes of God
They Shoot Horse Don't They

And that's just what I can recalll off the top of my head.

You may not like her politics, but I doubt many would call her acting career mediocre. As to gold digging, never mind her film career, she made millions upon millions with her workrout videos. I heard that after the rube spat at her, she wiped off the spittle and went back to what she was doing. Good for her. And as far as enjoying attention, I would venture to say that is a normal human want...who among us wants to be ignored.
post #43 of 59
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Originally Posted by Marge
All right Heidi, really, it's their business if they feel this way. It's a pretty big elephant though, if you care to even attempt to see the point I am making, that waiting 3 decades to look for MIA's, or cutting much deserved pensions is just ok and Fonda is the devil. Ok? That's all I am saying. Ok? Can I say it?
Marge, no one seems to want to address the SERIOUS issues you point out because blaming Fonda is a lot more fun and easier too. Comparing what Fonda did almost 40 yrs ago, to what our government did then and continues to do is utterly ridiculous. While I'm sure there are some very generous souls here, how many have written letters to their legislators about let's say homeless and/or mentally ill vets? Not many I'd venture. The vets I've spoken to have never mentioned Fonda to me, what they talk about is the sense of betrayal the feel from their government.
post #44 of 59
58,000+ U.S. soldiers died in Vietnam. The Brits were asked by the U.S. to serve, but their PM and government refused to send a single soldier to that war. 100,000+ Vietnamese died.

How many U.S. soldiers and Vietnamese people were wounded, maimed, poisoned, and still suffering the ill effects of that war? My girlfriend recently lost her husband to liver cancer. He was a medic who helped wounded soldiers in Vietnam and she attributed his death to the extensive use of Agent Orange, napalm, and other carcinogenic, poisonous chemicals that were dumped on the Vietnamese countryside and jungles.


http://www.democracynow.org/article....e=thread&tid=5
post #45 of 59
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
Marge, no one seems to want to address the SERIOUS issues you point out because blaming Fonda is a lot more fun and easier too. Comparing what Fonda did almost 40 yrs ago, to what our government did then and continues to do is utterly ridiculous. While I'm sure there are some very generous souls here, how many have written letters to their legislators about let's say homeless and/or mentally ill vets? Not many I'd venture. The vets I've spoken to have never mentioned Fonda to me, what they talk about is the sense of betrayal the feel from their government.
So - as it has been said before, if there are issues about the Vietnam war and its aftermath that you want to discuss, WHY DON'T YOU START A THREAD ABOUT IT?????????????
THIS one is about Jane Fonda.
post #46 of 59
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
So - as it has been said before, if there are issues about the Vietnam war and its aftermath that you want to discuss, WHY DON'T YOU START A THREAD ABOUT IT?????????????
THIS one is about Jane Fonda.
But how can one talk about Jane Fonda specifically with regards to her actions in Vietnam War without talking about the war itself. One can talk about the war without her but to not talk about the war when one is referring to her actions in the war seems odd. It is akin to someone talking about President's Bush policy on WMD held by rogue nations and actions to take without talking about Iraq. One can talk about Iraq without WMD but to talk about WMD in that specific context without Iraq seems odd.

Example:
Jane Fonda should not have done things that support the enemy from vietnam.
1) No talk about vietnam
Jane Fonda should not have done things that support the enemy
2) No talk on issues: So one cannot talk about what Jane Fonda did for what she did is wrapped up in the issues
Do do things that support enemy
3) Enemy: But what if the person feel the war is unjustified?: No talk on enemy
So what is left is: "Do not do any bad things" with the qualified statement of, whatever your definition of bad things is.
post #47 of 59
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Originally Posted by bumpy
But how can one talk about Jane Fonda specifically with regards to her actions in Vietnam War without talking about the war itself. One can talk about the war without her but to not talk about the war when one is referring to her actions in the war seems odd. It is akin to someone talking about President's Bush policy on WMD held by rogue nations and actions to take without talking about Iraq. One can talk about Iraq without WMD but to talk about WMD in that specific context without Iraq seems odd.

Example:
Jane Fonda should not have done things that support the enemy from vietnam.
1) No talk about vietnam
Jane Fonda should not have done things that support the enemy
2) No talk on issues: So one cannot talk about what Jane Fonda did for what she did is wrapped up in the issues
Do do things that support enemy
3) Enemy: But what if the person feel the war is unjustified?: No talk on enemy
So what is left is: "Do not do any bad things" with the qualified statement of, whatever your definition of bad things is.
Ok, that's fine, but why start a thread about Jane Fonda and then complain when people are talking about...JANE FONDA???????????
post #48 of 59
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Originally Posted by Me-n-my guys
Wonder what it feels like to be a veteran of a foreign war, & after serving your country you return home only to be spit on at the airport. Hmmm. Maybe those guys can't let go, & I really don't blame them.
And to top that off, they are seeing the support that the country is giving to the troops in the Middle East-you know that is breeding resentment somewhere..
Our country turned their back on Vietnam Vets, they are not going to forget it now that we are all waving flags & acting like it's o.k.
Jane Fonda is scraping for MORE money & all those guys may have are their bad memories.
TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN! YOU ARE SOOOOOOO RIGHT!
post #49 of 59
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Originally Posted by Rockcat
So - as it has been said before, if there are issues about the Vietnam war and its aftermath that you want to discuss, WHY DON'T YOU START A THREAD ABOUT IT?????????????
THIS one is about Jane Fonda.
I see a direct correlation between these two issues, and I think SOME others do as well. Sorry you don't. The majority may not see it that way, but I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. You certainly have the right to but me on "ignore" if you'd like to.
post #50 of 59
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I too don't see how a thread about Jane Fonda and some guy spitting on her about her actions regarding Vietnam cannot include a discussion about Vietnam? Why is this OT?
post #51 of 59
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2
It appears to me that she relishes the attention. If she didn't, she would just shut up about it. She has done a lot of other things she could run her mouth about. She could talk about the mediocre movies she made, or how she rode other family member's coat tails to her career, or how she is gold digging Ted Turner.
Bingo!
Why DOESN'T she just shut up about it? Hmmm. Let's analyze this..
It's perfectly O.K. for this woman to drag the Vietnam skeletons out of the closet to finance her next face-lift, but it's NOT o.k. for people to be pissed off about it? Am I missing something here? If Jane Fonda is allowed to discuss Vietnam, why can't we? Or, if she crawled out from under her rock to grovel for more money to finance her opulent lifestle at the expense of so many who didn't have rich daddies, leaving herself open for anger & criticism, what do people expect? I might not condone the spitter, but really in my heart, I can't blame him, either.
post #52 of 59
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Originally Posted by Me-n-my guys
Bingo!
Why DOESN'T she just shut up about it? Hmmm. .
The number one reason she keeps speaking about "it" is that the press keeps asking her about it. That's their job. When you write a book you go on book tours, the reporter asks the questions that will generate the most buzz. She certainly had a reason to write about it, it is after all her life, an autobiography. If she had left it out of her book, there would be a lot of fingerpointing from the press and the public about whitewashing her career.

Additionally, I don't think she wrote her book to finance another face lift. I'm sure she had enough money before the book to finance face-lifts for a large family. Jeez, how ridiculous can you get.
post #53 of 59
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Originally Posted by Me-n-my guys
Bingo!
Why DOESN'T she just shut up about it? Hmmm. Let's analyze this..
It's perfectly O.K. for this woman to drag the Vietnam skeletons out of the closet to finance her next face-lift, but it's NOT o.k. for people to be pissed off about it? Am I missing something here? If Jane Fonda is allowed to discuss Vietnam, why can't we? Or, if she crawled out from under her rock to grovel for more money to finance her opulent lifestle at the expense of so many who didn't have rich daddies, leaving herself open for anger & criticism, what do people expect? I might not condone the spitter, but really in my heart, I can't blame him, either.
Actually, her latest movie and book is to raise money for G-CAPP. An organisation to prevent teen pregnancies and to help teen mothers have a second chance. The organisation requires more than $4million a year to run. With all the hatred directed at her, she seems quite brave to come out again into the spotlight just to raise money for these teens and to give them a second chance.
post #54 of 59
If the press keeps asking her about it, she could decline to discuss it. After all, as everyone keeps reminding us, it was a long time ago. But if she did that, no one would ask her much of anything. Wouldn't that be nice?
post #55 of 59
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Originally Posted by bumpy
Actually, her latest movie and book is to raise money for G-CAPP. An organisation to prevent teen pregnancies and to help teen mothers have a second chance. The organisation requires more than $4million a year to run. With all the hatred directed at her, she seems quite brave to come out again into the spotlight just to raise money for these teens and to give them a second chance.
She has also done a lot of work to help out the women who have to deal with that bizarre amputation of a "certain part of a certain body part" thing in Africa. She really helped that cause.
post #56 of 59
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Originally Posted by krazy kat2
If the press keeps asking her about it, she could decline to discuss it. After all, as everyone keeps reminding us, it was a long time ago. But if she did that, no one would ask her much of anything. Wouldn't that be nice?


She has had a long and fruitful acting career, a very interesting family, famous husbands, as well as a controversial life in politics. The press has plenty of subjects to grill her on and they are.
post #57 of 59
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You know people forget how (gotta be careful here...) how unwise young people can be. I can''t imagine being held to things I did in my early 20's. i have two young friends who are really great people, very privaleged, and yet trash their government all the time, not even realizing how ironic it is that here they live in complete comfort becuase of this government and yet poo poo it all the time. But they're kids, they don't know much yet. I'm not saying don't question things, but they demonize things like parts of American history that are actually not that bad.
post #58 of 59
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
I see a direct correlation between these two issues, and I think SOME others do as well. Sorry you don't. The majority may not see it that way, but I'm not trying to win a popularity contest. You certainly have the right to but me on "ignore" if you'd like to.
I see the correlation. Its not so much that the Vietmam discussion came up. What I object to is the complaints that we are talking about Jane Fonda. Its not only you and I'm sorry if I made it sound like that. I have nothing against you or anyone else who had made this point. You can put me on ignore if you like as well, but I hope you don't. Just because we dont agree doesn't mean I don't like you (any of y'all). My goodness, we are all cat people here just having a discussion. Sometimes I (and I'm not the only one either) get a little emphatic, but if we all agreed, there would be no reason for IMO threads. I guess I felt like you (plural) were putting those of us down who were talking about Jane Fonda for NOT discussing Vietnam.
post #59 of 59
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
[b][i]Additionally, I don't think she wrote her book to finance another face lift. I'm sure she had enough money before the book to finance face-lifts for a large family. Jeez, how ridiculous can you get.
Oh, I guess it's o.k for some to be sarcastic here, & not others. Count me out of the Jane Fonda clique, then.
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