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post #1 of 26
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Ok,

Don't hate me for bringing this up, but last night I saw James Carville on Charlie Rose and also read Tim Russert both talk about the next election. And of course who would have thought Bush would be the nominee in 2000 so things can change on a dime, but apparenlty Hillary really is the front runner for Dems. Russert is certain she is running, "don't look at what they say look at what they do" and Hillary is going to all kind of religious events and midwest events.

My thoughts, if she runs it's 04 all over again as far as the vote. The US isn't really ready for a woman. And she is viewed as too liberal and not folksy.

I wonder who the repubs will run? Apparenlty it's the first itme in 56 years that the incombent Pres or Vice Pres hasn't run if Cheney really doesn't run.
post #2 of 26
Cheney won't run. He's not positioning himself to run, he's mainly out of the lime-light, and isn't seen making decisions.

I have to agree with you, though. If the Dems choose Hillary as their candidate in '08, it really doesn't matter who runs against her. As much as Bill was liked, she sure doesn't have that same charisma, flair, or ability to connect with the people. He was a good ol' boy, and she's an uptight, persnickity.... Well, it is how she is perceived. And she's already talking out of both sides of her mouth. One week she's pulling a Rodney King and saying how the parties should just get along and work together, the next she's talking about the "new age of extremism" on the part of the GOP. One week she's speaking at a pro-choice rally, but on the anniversary of Roe v. Wade she spoke at a pro-life rally.

And I also agree that the US isn't ready for a woman President, no matter who it is. Actually, the US isn't ready for anything other than a white, Christian man as President.

I still keep hearing names like McCain and Guilliani on the GOP side, but if recent history is any indication both of those men are way to middle-of-the-road to be nominated. The nomination process on both sides is one that chooses extremities of the parties...which isn't what the vast majority of Americans believe in. So we will, again, choose the lesser of two extremist evils in '08 and hope that Congress and the Legislature can keep them in check.
post #3 of 26
You know just once I would like for a President election to come and have someone I really want to vote for instead of just voting for the lessor of two evils so to speak. But I don't think that will happen for a while.
post #4 of 26
http://www.ciconline.org/eLECTIONS/

For you people who feels that any candidate does not really represent your opinion, here is an online game that allows you to run for President. You can play by yourself or with another as you pit head to head party to party. You can state you opinion in a real simple manner on issues 1) Health, 2) Education 3) Affirmative Action 4) Social Security 5) Tax 6) Same sex marriage 7) Alaska drilling 8) Capital Punishment 9) Patriot Act 10) Free Trade. You can decide which state to campaign in and which fund raisers to take part in. Enjoy playing!

I always wonder what if a husband is in one party and the wife is in another. And say if the Wife is the President and the Husband is Senate majority leader of the other party or vice versa. That would be interesting. Or if both husband and wife are fighting for Presidency. Am I the only person that thinks of this sort of things?
post #5 of 26
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Originally Posted by GrayKittenLove
You know just once I would like for a President election to come and have someone I really want to vote for instead of just voting for the lessor of two evils so to speak. But I don't think that will happen for a while.
Dreamer!
post #6 of 26
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The one I look up to , would change my life to work for is Barak Obama. He is smart, insightful, cares about people but is level headed. A hawk on terrorism but uses sense (sounds like I am working for him already...but really guys he is the real deal)

Anyways, he may be too young this time around, but he actually gives me hope.
post #7 of 26
This country (the U.S.) is in sorry, sad shape and decline. I honestly do not believe it will survive past 2008, but this being said, I will predict:

Al Gore 2008

Gore/Edwards
post #8 of 26
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Originally Posted by GrayKittenLove
You know just once I would like for a President election to come and have someone I really want to vote for instead of just voting for the lessor of two evils so to speak. But I don't think that will happen for a while.
I'm facing exactly the same poor choice in our own elections next month. Disheartening, isn't it?

Sue
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by Marge
The one I look up to , would change my life to work for is Barak Obama. He is smart, insightful, cares about people but is level headed. A hawk on terrorism but uses sense (sounds like I am working for him already...but really guys he is the real deal)

Anyways, he may be too young this time around, but he actually gives me hope.
Ah Marge, you beat me to the punch! I am a huge BO fan as well (oh boy, that didn't come out sounding right!). He'd give this country the change it so desperately needs!
BTW- I honestly wouldn't be terribly opposed if Joh McCain ran. Few people know this, but the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) was passed because of a speech that he made to Congress, believe it or not. Lots of people working with abuse victims have him to thank for their jobs!
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
Ah Marge, you beat me to the punch! I am a huge BO fan as well (oh boy, that didn't come out sounding right!). He'd give this country the change it so desperately needs!
BTW- I honestly wouldn't be terribly opposed if Joh McCain ran. Few people know this, but the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) was passed because of a speech that he made to Congress, believe it or not. Lots of people working with abuse victims have him to thank for their jobs!
Are the rumours true that congress may not renew VAWA when it expires this September because of political reasons?
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by bumpy
Are the rumours true that congress may not renew VAWA when it expires this September because of political reasons?
It is very true. Our wonderful administration ( ) cares very little for domestic violence issues, as evident in the budget cuts that have happened at domestic violence shelters across the country. I've heard horror stories of victims that have had to be turned away from seeking safe shelter because the money is now unavailable. It is tragic. Our administration cares so much about the foreign war on terror, but is turning its back on terrorism happening within our own homes!!! Our administration does not care for "people", just money and possibly zygotes. Yeah, I said it.
post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
Ah Marge, you beat me to the punch! I am a huge BO fan as well (oh boy, that didn't come out sounding right!). He'd give this country the change it so desperately needs!
BTW- I honestly wouldn't be terribly opposed if Joh McCain ran. Few people know this, but the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) was passed because of a speech that he made to Congress, believe it or not. Lots of people working with abuse victims have him to thank for their jobs!
I have always been open to McCain too. Note he is one Repub leader who is against this changing the fiibuster rule. He is always more reasonable. Why he campaigned for dippy I will never know. I really wish he HAD joined forces with Kerry and they were running the country now.
post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by Marge
I have always been open to McCain too. Note he is one Repub leader who is against this changing the fiibuster rule. He is always more reasonable. Why he campaigned for dippy I will never know. I really wish he HAD joined forces with Kerry and they were running the country now.
Again, fully agreed
post #14 of 26
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Originally Posted by millyanddaisy
I'm facing exactly the same poor choice in our own elections next month. Disheartening, isn't it?

Sue
Yeah what is it like to vote in the coming Brit elections? I thought Blaire was in trouble but he might win again? You are luckier than we are though, at least he has some brains and ideals.
post #15 of 26
McCain and Kerry couldn't have happened because of the politicos in power on both sides wouldn't have allowed it.

Overall I do like McCain, mainly because he isn't just a politcal party puppet and he practices what he preaches, even if it crosses party lines. He's one of the few politicians in Washington who truly has reached across party lines and made it work. The problem with McCain is that he isn't extreme enough to get the people who control the Primaries behind him, even though I think he would win in a landslide if they did nominate him (especially if the Dems put up Hillary to run against him!).
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by valanhb
McCain and Kerry couldn't have happened because of the politicos in power on both sides wouldn't have allowed it.

Overall I do like McCain, mainly because he isn't just a politcal party puppet and he practices what he preaches, even if it crosses party lines. He's one of the few politicians in Washington who truly has reached across party lines and made it work. The problem with McCain is that he isn't extreme enough to get the people who control the Primaries behind him, even though I think he would win in a landslide if they did nominate him (especially if the Dems put up Hillary to run against him!).
I agree it would have freaked people out too much to have a bipartisian ticket. But ah...wouldn't it have been nice?
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by Marge
I agree it would have freaked people out too much to have a bipartisian ticket. But ah...wouldn't it have been nice?
Very nice!
post #18 of 26
I don't know who will But I would like to see Hillary and that Baca Bama guy from Illinois I think, and Rice to run.
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by eburgess
I don't know who will But I would like to see Hillary and that Baca Bama guy from Illinois I think, and Rice to run.
I have no respect for Rice, she is a yes woman. I want women to achieve based on their own thougths, she achieves based on not rocking the boat.
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by valanhb
McCain and Kerry couldn't have happened because of the politicos in power on both sides wouldn't have allowed it.

Overall I do like McCain, mainly because he isn't just a politcal party puppet and he practices what he preaches, even if it crosses party lines. He's one of the few politicians in Washington who truly has reached across party lines and made it work. The problem with McCain is that he isn't extreme enough to get the people who control the Primaries behind him, even though I think he would win in a landslide if they did nominate him (especially if the Dems put up Hillary to run against him!).
Let's just hope the Republican Party wises up and realizes what they have in him, and doesn't decide to run somebody like DeLay!
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
It is very true. Our wonderful administration ( ) cares very little for domestic violence issues, as evident in the budget cuts that have happened at domestic violence shelters across the country. I've heard horror stories of victims that have had to be turned away from seeking safe shelter because the money is now unavailable. It is tragic. Our administration cares so much about the foreign war on terror, but is turning its back on terrorism happening within our own homes!!! Our administration does not care for "people", just money and possibly zygotes. Yeah, I said it.


Whatever happened to "family values"? Or is a battered woman who flees, perhaps with children in tow, somehow going against "family values", and therefore doesn't deserve protection?
post #22 of 26
I really wish Jay Rockefeller (Sen. W.VA) would run, unfortunately, he is Adlai Stevenson like, a real egg head...that's what I like about him though. He has always been a big advocate of REAL healthcare, vet benefits and the poor. Here's a bio. His age might be against him as well, but he is younger than Reagan..LOL!

http://rockefeller.senate.gov/about_jay/biography.htm
post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
It is very true. Our wonderful administration ( ) cares very little for domestic violence issues, as evident in the budget cuts that have happened at domestic violence shelters across the country. I've heard horror stories of victims that have had to be turned away from seeking safe shelter because the money is now unavailable. It is tragic. Our administration cares so much about the foreign war on terror, but is turning its back on terrorism happening within our own homes!!! Our administration does not care for "people", just money and possibly zygotes. Yeah, I said it.

You got that right!!!
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
I really wish Jay Rockefeller (Sen. W.VA) would run, unfortunately, he is Adlai Stevenson like, a real egg head...that's what I like about him though. He has always been a big advocate of REAL healthcare, vet benefits and the poor. Here's a bio. His age might be against him as well, but he is younger than Reagan..LOL!

http://rockefeller.senate.gov/about_jay/biography.htm
I'd vote for someone like JR in a heartbeat!
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by jcat


Whatever happened to "family values"? Or is a battered woman who flees, perhaps with children in tow, somehow going against "family values", and therefore doesn't deserve protection?
Bingo. AND all over the country, it is becoming harder and harder for people to divorce, with waiting periods of over a year. I have a client who was beaten and raped DAILY by her husband and we're looking at about 18 months before her divorce will go through (though we're looking at ways of speeding it up since she is most definitely a battered woman!). Thank you Shrub.
Oh, and let's not forget child support. A bill was recently passed her in GA that said that when determining child support, the judge must go by the income of both the legal parent and the non-custodial parent. So that means that a battered woman with 3 kids, who has to leave because her and her kids' lives are in danger, could get far less money from her batterer in child support because they now consider her income, too. Thank you Shrub's cronies in the GA legislature. It all makes me sick sick sick sick.
The saddest thing about this is: our country has gotten so swept up in the far-right, evangelical hoopla that I don't see a recess happening any time soon. (in my best Cheech Marin voice) Freaks me out, man.
post #26 of 26
if hillary runs, i'll vote for her, even though i'm a republican :wall:
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