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post #31 of 42
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Originally Posted by misstorri
It sound to me like these people are inconvienced by the son that God gave them. This is the most ridiculus thing I have ever heard , these people are selfish and arrogant to even think that they woulld've aborted a child b/c of his incappabilities. Apparently they don't love their child and only see him as a nusence.What about before this testing was available? What would they have done then,their lucky that there are so many more resorces for diabled children than there were 20 years ago! One of my clients just adopted a baby with down syndrome b/c of people like this,It just makes me sick!
Granted, I don't know this couple either...but I find it unbelievingly incredible that some people here have the gall to call this couple selfish and arrogant when they don't no jack about them, or their motives. Talk about judgmental, that is beyond IMO, that's downright rude and ungracious. While I have the opposite opinion of some, you don't see me tagging them with attributes, like loving and caring...like everyone else here...I DON'T KNOW THEM. One or two articles do not make a whole story. I think this is one of the main problems in this world, we judge at the drop of a hat...absolutely shameful. As for adopting babies with down's syndrome, that's wonderful, I congratulate the couple who gave up the child. It showed maturity on their part, that they knew they could not handle the child emotionally. Isn't the child better off with parents who can, the birth parents aren't monsters they are wise, just like the teen who gives up her child, knowing it will have a better life.
post #32 of 42
They should never have gone and had a biological child... I am single and in my mid/late 20s have decided not to have children due to an imunne disorder I have ... It is genetic and I wont play russian rullette with a living being ..
post #33 of 42
I have a gene that i can pass on to my children of them becoming deaf.
I know that if my child was disabled like mental or handicapped i couldnt continue with the pregnancy, because i couldnt cope it with mentally.

But i couldnt terminate a pregnancy if my child was deaf because it would be an insult to my family, and if it was possible id scrap all of the penny's i could for it to have surgery.

I told my bf that he would be an excellent father and ive seen him try to teach my parents how to pronounce words ect. but he just doesnt want to hear about babies
post #34 of 42
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Originally Posted by fwan
I have a gene that i can pass on to my children of them becoming deaf.
I know that if my child was disabled like mental or handicapped i couldnt continue with the pregnancy, because i couldnt cope it with mentally.

But i couldnt terminate a pregnancy if my child was deaf because it would be an insult to my family, and if it was possible id scrap all of the penny's i could for it to have surgery.

I told my bf that he would be an excellent father and ive seen him try to teach my parents how to pronounce words ect. but he just doesnt want to hear about babies
fwan, after decades of being told that my increasing hearing loss was due to ear infections, I was recently told that it's genetic (my dad and both uncles also lost their hearing). We're waiting to see if any of my sister's kids have the disorder. As you know from growing up with deaf parents, the deaf can lead a pretty normal life, particularly with today's technology, so I wouldn't let it stop you from having kids.
Ben probably just isn't ready yet.

I don't know enough about this case to pass any judgment on the parents, but I can see why they would try to get help with covering the medical expenses, for their own sakes and their son's.
post #35 of 42
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
Granted, I don't know this couple either...but I find it unbelievingly incredible that some people here have the gall to call this couple selfish and arrogant when they don't no jack about them, or their motives. Talk about judgmental, that is beyond IMO, that's downright rude and ungracious. While I have the opposite opinion of some, you don't see me tagging them with attributes, like loving and caring...like everyone else here...I DON'T KNOW THEM. One or two articles do not make a whole story. I think this is one of the main problems in this world, we judge at the drop of a hat...absolutely shameful. As for adopting babies with down's syndrome, that's wonderful, I congratulate the couple who gave up the child. It showed maturity on their part, that they knew they could not handle the child emotionally. Isn't the child better off with parents who can, the birth parents aren't monsters they are wise, just like the teen who gives up her child, knowing it will have a better life.
The couple who adopted out their child to my clients had stated that 'once they had a normal child they would use the babies toys and clothing for him/her" this was appauling to me, I fully understand that they may not have had the time or resources to care for this child I'm certianly glad they didnt abrort b/c of the downs syndrome but that is my problem with the other couple, It just doesnt sit right with me to think that they would've aborted the child just b/c of his special needs.My problem is not so much with the couple as it is their choice they wouldve made. I work with many special needs people and have seen how they can grow and thrive on the resources available to them.
post #36 of 42
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Originally Posted by misstorri
The couple who adopted out their child to my clients had stated that 'once they had a normal child they would use the babies toys and clothing for him/her" this was appauling to me, I fully understand that they may not have had the time or resources to care for this child I'm certianly glad they didnt abrort b/c of the downs syndrome but that is my problem with the other couple, It just doesnt sit right with me to think that they would've aborted the child just b/c of his special needs.My problem is not so much with the couple as it is their choice they wouldve made. I work with many special needs people and have seen how they can grow and thrive on the resources available to them.
The article stated that the child was severely mentally retarded. IMO and being a nurse, I think the most humane thing to do is abort. I hope this does not become anti abortion and pro choice thread because that would be a no win conversation.
post #37 of 42
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Originally Posted by misstorri
The couple who adopted out their child to my clients had stated that 'once they had a normal child they would use the babies toys and clothing for him/her" this was appauling to me, I fully understand that they may not have had the time or resources to care for this child I'm certianly glad they didnt abrort b/c of the downs syndrome but that is my problem with the other couple, It just doesnt sit right with me to think that they would've aborted the child just b/c of his special needs.My problem is not so much with the couple as it is their choice they wouldve made. I work with many special needs people and have seen how they can grow and thrive on the resources available to them.
From the article:
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....he had severe mental and physical impairments that, even at age six - when the suit was filed in 2003 - made him unable to feed or bathe himself, speak, stand or crawl.
From that information, it seems like a quality of life issue. Of course some MR people can and do have very good lives...but those who aren't really aware and can't even move around...what kind of life is it if you don't even know you're alive and can't communicate with those around you?
post #38 of 42
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
Granted, I don't know this couple either...but I find it unbelievingly incredible that some people here have the gall to call this couple selfish and arrogant when they don't no jack about them, or their motives. Talk about judgmental, that is beyond IMO, that's downright rude and ungracious. While I have the opposite opinion of some, you don't see me tagging them with attributes, like loving and caring...like everyone else here...I DON'T KNOW THEM. One or two articles do not make a whole story. I think this is one of the main problems in this world, we judge at the drop of a hat...absolutely shameful. As for adopting babies with down's syndrome, that's wonderful, I congratulate the couple who gave up the child. It showed maturity on their part, that they knew they could not handle the child emotionally. Isn't the child better off with parents who can, the birth parents aren't monsters they are wise, just like the teen who gives up her child, knowing it will have a better life.
i am not here to pass judgement. this article only brings questions to my mind. i dont know the parents reasoning i dont know the doctors i only know what the article says. this are the questions i have in regarding this issues Why did the parents make the decision to abort if the child were to have this disease? Why did the parents to decide to keep the child? no one hear can call them horrible parents just the same no one can praise them for what they are doing when we do not know there reasons. they could of fallen in love with this child and decided that aborting this child would of been wrong or the could want money. i am interested to know how this all turns out i would like to be a fly on the wall in that courtroom. my IMO is that there is not enough informations for someone to pass judgemetn and honestly it is only gods job to pass judgement.
post #39 of 42
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
The article stated that the child was severely mentally retarded. IMO and being a nurse, I think the most humane thing to do is abort. I hope this does not become anti abortion and pro choice thread because that would be a no win conversation.
I totally agree,(to the abortion topic) the whole situation is very sad,but Imo there are new resources and tecnological advances every day, even if my child was severly retarded I would love that child and nurture him/her like there was no tomorrow, but thats me, I guess everyone is different and seeing this child everyday breaks their heart.
post #40 of 42
I thought really hard about not responding in this thread as it has been dormant a few days, but I wanted to add something. I have not yet seen any conclusive (or even convincing) evidence that any test was botched, or that any lab or any doctors made any mistakes in this case and here is why. Testing of the fetus often meets with inconclusive results. Samples of tissue or fluid are removed from the womb, and it is not rare that maternal tissues end up being the ones examined. The sample from the womb must be grown in a lab to have "enough" for an analysis. They may have obtained a DNA sample of the mother or the placentae, which would correctily identify as female and inactive carrier. ANY mother undergoing CV sampling or Amniocentesis FOR SURE is told before the procedure takes place that is IS NOT 100% (and if not, it would have been filed as a medical malpractice suit, not a wrongful life suit). The thing is, outside of that, even if it was a botched false test result, I think its super sketchy for the parents to BLAME the doctors for the misfortune of their son, and as a result, themselves. I researched for about 35 seconds and found this article on trisomy 22 mosaic (is full compatible with life???)
http://www.medgen.ubc.ca/wrobinson/mosaic/trisomy22.htm
I invite anyone to check it out. You will see that trisomy 22 is NOT able to be reliably tested for. 2 points that I feel need making,
1) The article clearly states that trisomy 22 MAY be diagnosed prenatally and can show up from placental or fetal tissue. If placental, the fetus MAY BE NORMAL, if fetal the outcome is VARIABLE. Think about this in terms of how the parents made their decision. Seems they were ONLY willing to accept a COMPLETELY normal child. What does this say?
2) In 4/6 cases where the prenatal tests diagnosed Trisomy 22, the child showed NO anomalies at birth. A reverse result is also presented.

So, I read one article that has led me to think that a single test for this is not enough to be conclusive about the resulting child, not by far. How is it do you think, that the parents thought different?

There are many questionable circumstances from all sides about this case that I have seen thus far.
post #41 of 42
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Originally Posted by Februa
I thought really hard about not responding in this thread as it has been dormant a few days, but I wanted to add something. I have not yet seen any conclusive (or even convincing) evidence that any test was botched, or that any lab or any doctors made any mistakes in this case and here is why. Testing of the fetus often meets with inconclusive results. Samples of tissue or fluid are removed from the womb, and it is not rare that maternal tissues end up being the ones examined. The sample from the womb must be grown in a lab to have "enough" for an analysis. They may have obtained a DNA sample of the mother or the placentae, which would correctily identify as female and inactive carrier. ANY mother undergoing CV sampling or Amniocentesis FOR SURE is told before the procedure takes place that is IS NOT 100% (and if not, it would have been filed as a medical malpractice suit, not a wrongful life suit). The thing is, outside of that, even if it was a botched false test result, I think its super sketchy for the parents to BLAME the doctors for the misfortune of their son, and as a result, themselves. I researched for about 35 seconds and found this article on trisomy 22 mosaic (is full compatible with life???)
http://www.medgen.ubc.ca/wrobinson/mosaic/trisomy22.htm
I invite anyone to check it out. You will see that trisomy 22 is NOT able to be reliably tested for. 2 points that I feel need making,
1) The article clearly states that trisomy 22 MAY be diagnosed prenatally and can show up from placental or fetal tissue. If placental, the fetus MAY BE NORMAL, if fetal the outcome is VARIABLE. Think about this in terms of how the parents made their decision. Seems they were ONLY willing to accept a COMPLETELY normal child. What does this say?
2) In 4/6 cases where the prenatal tests diagnosed Trisomy 22, the child showed NO anomalies at birth. A reverse result is also presented.

So, I read one article that has led me to think that a single test for this is not enough to be conclusive about the resulting child, not by far. How is it do you think, that the parents thought different?

There are many questionable circumstances from all sides about this case that I have seen thus far.
post #42 of 42
[quote=Februa]
I invite anyone to check it out. You will see that trisomy 22 is NOT able to be reliably tested for. 2 points that I feel need making,
.[/QUOTE

Yet another question for this case. Were the parents told about the unreliability of the test? In my experience doctors love to hard sell the latest in medical technology whether it be a test or treatment or a magic pill.
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