Slight Rant, reminisce, need advice... ramble...LONG

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I'm not sure how much you all know about me and my relationship with my dad and his family. I'll be breif on the background. He and my mother divorced when I was 6 or so and he and I stopped seeing eachother when I was in 4th grade. He had remarried, the woman hated me, and there was just... stuff... He was an alcoholic, basically. I've never had clear memories of him or my childhood. My mother and her mother always told me stories and they sort of melted in my head and I haven't the foggiest clue what was true and what wasn't. To this day, I don't know. For the longest time, all I had was this negative side of him impressed on my mind. Quasi memories of him fighting with my mother, stuff like that.

Two Christmas's ago, his mother asked me down for Christmas. I didn't want to go, but thought maybe I should try and make peace with that side of the family. I had all this stuff jumbled in my head about what horrible people they were and such, and I thought I should try and sort that out. So I went. It was awkward and uncomfortable, and my father was there. We hadn't talked since 4th grade, so it was incredibly awkward. I got through it and went back to visit my granny later, to thank her for inviting me and giving me the chance to try and have some sort of relationship with her and my cousins. She asked that I please give my dad a chance and judge for myself. I couldn't say no, she is getting very old. So we started talking around October. The woman he had remarried after my mother, Carol, and him had gotten a divorce a few years back and she passed away around Halloween. I didn't understand why Granny was making such a big deal until I found out Dad and her were planning on getting back together. Anyway, this is all background.

So my dad and I are trying to get to know eachother again. Mother doesn't seem to happy about it and keeps telling me to "watch out" and "he's just playing pitiful". I don't think she should say this stuff to me, firstly, and secondly, I'm starting to have my doubts. When I started talking to him, all I had were these memories of bad stuff, that I wasn't even sure really happened. Now I am remembering good stuff, that I know for sure did in fact happen. Where there were only really bad hazy memories, I now remember better ones. I remember ice skating on the pond, fishing in the creek, building snowmen. I remember dad building me that huge playhouse in the yard, my bunnies. Little snippets of events. Like our first Christmas together, when granny made red hearts and lace to cover the tree in, and we spent the day decorating and setting up the train and village. I remember going to the dam and fishing and the fishing pole breaking... when we came home, we told mom a giant blue gill had broke it, even though it really was old and broke on a stick. Right after the divorce, mom would drop me off before school and dad would get me ready. All my stuff was gone and I cried, so dad and granny went to auctions and bought me stuff. A white princess bed with matching dresser and vanity with a stool. A desk, and shelves. The shelves were filled with stuffed animals, dozens and dozens of them. They bought me new clothes and books and an easy bake oven. And granny sewed me a pink lacey bedspread. I remember dad pushing me on the bull rope he put in down back. And the birthday party by the creek. There was a bonfire and THREE barbie doll cakes. I remember being allowed to stay up and watch Karate Kid on TV with him, and his Popeye impressions.
So now I have all these good memories, and I don't know how to feel about them. How to reconcile them to the old ones.

I also don't know how to deal with talking to him. We didn't talk for years and now we do. Its still awkward. I mean, what do you say to someone? Especially someone whose kinda been beaten around a bit. His wife died right before they got remarried, he can't work too much because he was a carpenter and fell off a roof and had the bones in his feet fused. He's a recovering alcoholic. I don't know. He seems to have aged a hundred years since I was 10. How do I deal with this? How do I fix that relationship? I mean, he has nothing. I know some of it is surely his fault, but still.

I dunno. Any sage bits of advice, wisdom, insight?

I was so upset tonight, too, because he called to tell me he sent me a check, part of the settlement he got when Carol passed away. I mean, the man has nothing and he sent me this? And then he was telling me last time we talked that he was going on a date last night with a friend's sister. Well they were to meet in Latrobe and he was at the place, she called and asked where he was. He told her he was there, she drove into the lot, waved and drove away. How horrible is that? My father, like I said, doesn't look that well, he's starting to look better, but to do that to someone? She could have at least called, answered his call, stopped and had the pizza and then said she wasn't interested. How shallow???? I was practically in tears and I am so furious that someone could do that to someone else. Ugh. Okay. Done ranting and rambling.

I praise whoever manages to read all this...
 

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Oh I just send you a huge hug. I can relate to a fair amount of this, and from that perspective, my advice is what I did...try to see the man for who he is now, through your own eyes. Realize he and your mom may have lingering unresolved issues but they are *their* issues, not yours. Your relationship is a very different one to both, you can love both, see the flaws and faults in both, and still care for both.

Sounds like your dad in sending you part of the settlement is showing you how much he cares or wishes he'd been more a part of your life all those years.

Take it slow, see how you feel and realize you may never be able to untangle the stories that your mom told you, which were from her experience, from your very different experience in relating to him as a child, not a wife. The truth of what happened may not be something you can ever figure out. I know I never did with my parents.

Enjoy that now you do have the chance to get to know him and to see how much time you two want to spend together. I am glad for you that you have this opportunity, even as uncomfortable as it is being right now.

I wish you all the best as you discover what relationship you both can have now,
 

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Amber,

My advice? Always go with your gut. If your initial feeling is that maybe your father isn't as bad as you your raised to believe he was, then give him a chance. I can see why these meetings could be uncomfortable for both of you. If he is sincere, then just being around you is probably all he needs right now. If you initial feeling is that you should pay attention to Mom's words, then heed her advice. Which ever way it goes, I hope everything turns out O.K. It would be tough to feel that you were stuck in the middle (between mom and dad) and my thoughts are with you.
 

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(((((((Amber)))))))

Just because everyone can use a good hug or two:-). I think you are wonderful for being so open minded and agreeing to allow your father and his side of the family a second chance. Divorces with children involved are so often very challenging because everyone is hurting one way or another and parents of young children are still often young themselves and don't always know how to deal with these deeply emotional issues so as to help their children cope, and sometimes they don't want to.

I have no advice but thought you might find something of value in this little story. My husband Joe had a daughter from his first marriage. He and his daughter's mother were both very young and for a variety of reasons the marriage didn't survive. The mother moved away taking the daughter with her but Joe did his best to keep in touch. He re-married a few years later and his second wife was extremely jealous of his daughter. Without going into all of the details, she became a barrier between Joe and his daughter and then when his daughter moved again he lost touch. When he divorced his second wife he began trying to find his daughter again and through some good detective work was able to track her down. She was now in her 30s, married and had 2 children of her own. Joe knew that she had been told a lot of things about him - many of them untrue - and didn't know if she would even see him. She was, and they visited. They were able to compare notes and discover stories that had been told to both of them about both of them by the two ex-wives and cleared up a lot of hurt and anger. They have re-established their relationship now as 'adults' not just as father and daughter. Both of them are letting the past be in the past and are learning who each other is in the present - and both of them are enjoying the experience very very much. They both realize that they can't change the choices and actions done by other people in their lives and that nothing will be able to bring back all of those years that they lost, but they are both working on discovering the present not just as family, but as friends.

I hope this helps you in your confusion. Good luck in whatever choices and decisions you make.

Kathryn
 

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Wow. You are dealing with alot. I have had alcoholism in my life both active and recovering and it is not as easy as it might seem. Especially the conflicting emotions that come with recovery such as you are now going through with your dad. I actually went to a therapist and used some other avenues to try and understand what was going on. If I can help in any way please let me know. Just send a private message through my user name if you have any questions that you would like to know about.
 

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Amber

It's great that you get a chance to know your dad and decide for yourself. It's natural that your mum won't feel too great towards your dad - they divorced after all. But that's their relationship not yours. It may be that some of what she says turns out to be true in some respects, but usually it takes two disenchanted parties to make a divorce and I'm sure there are things about your mum that your dad doesn't like too.

It's natural that you will want to see and get to know your dad. You don't have to worry about "repairing" the relationship lost in the past years - you can take your time to get to know each other and build the relationship from the people you are now.

Good luck - it's not an easy situation. Your mum will just have to step back and realise you have the right to build a relationship with your dad.

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Wow! That was a lot for someone to handle! I am going to go out on a limb here and make a suggestion. Maybe instead of trying to fix an old relationship, you could begin a new one. You and your dad have been through a lot, and it is now water under the bridge, and cannot be changed. You are grown now, and you are both different people. As a recovering alcoholic, he is trying to start anew, maybe you could start with him. Cherish the good memories, but make some new ones. It takes a big person to do this, but I think you have it in you. Good luck with this, sweetie, to you and your dad.
 

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How wonderful, Amber, that after all this time, you're choosing to forgive your Dad for his past behavior. Divorce is so nasty, and the children are often the ones who are most impacted. It really puts you in a bad position to feel that your Mom is upset about you having a relationship with him. Remember, the disputes between your parents are between the two of them and have nothing to do with you! It sounds as if your Dad is really wanting to be a part of your life now. Also, don't walk into this blindly. Trust your own instincts and feelings every little step of the way. You'll do the right thing.
I pray that you will have peace in your family.
 

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My mum is an alcoholic and i think its great that your dad is recovering.
It will take a while before his skin will get back to normal but IM proud of you for giving him another chance.
id say also to go with your gut, and that you should both start a new relationship instead of fixing the old one from when you were 10.
 

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oh amber, what a tough situation, but hang in there, sweetie


I was never in a situation like yours, my parents are still married, it's their 31st anniversary (yeah, HUGE)


I think you're on the right path, you should get to know your dad. You're about 22 now (from your profile) and i think you're tough and grown up, enough to realize that friendship with your dad is profoundly important in your life, even if your mom (very selfishly, i might add) wants to break this up.

I say you should go on, don't feel pity for him though, I always say: you can't help everyone. get to know him and feel good about what's going on now. your family will always be closer to you than any friends


good luck!
 

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Originally Posted by Grissom

I'm not sure how much you all know about me and my relationship with my dad and his family. I'll be breif on the background. He and my mother divorced when I was 6 or so and he and I stopped seeing eachother when I was in 4th grade. He had remarried, the woman hated me, and there was just... stuff... He was an alcoholic, basically. I've never had clear memories of him or my childhood. My mother and her mother always told me stories and they sort of melted in my head and I haven't the foggiest clue what was true and what wasn't. To this day, I don't know. For the longest time, all I had was this negative side of him impressed on my mind. Quasi memories of him fighting with my mother, stuff like that.

Two Christmas's ago, his mother asked me down for Christmas. I didn't want to go, but thought maybe I should try and make peace with that side of the family. I had all this stuff jumbled in my head about what horrible people they were and such, and I thought I should try and sort that out. So I went. It was awkward and uncomfortable, and my father was there. We hadn't talked since 4th grade, so it was incredibly awkward. I got through it and went back to visit my granny later, to thank her for inviting me and giving me the chance to try and have some sort of relationship with her and my cousins. She asked that I please give my dad a chance and judge for myself. I couldn't say no, she is getting very old. So we started talking around October. The woman he had remarried after my mother, Carol, and him had gotten a divorce a few years back and she passed away around Halloween. I didn't understand why Granny was making such a big deal until I found out Dad and her were planning on getting back together. Anyway, this is all background.

So my dad and I are trying to get to know eachother again. Mother doesn't seem to happy about it and keeps telling me to "watch out" and "he's just playing pitiful". I don't think she should say this stuff to me, firstly, and secondly, I'm starting to have my doubts. When I started talking to him, all I had were these memories of bad stuff, that I wasn't even sure really happened. Now I am remembering good stuff, that I know for sure did in fact happen. Where there were only really bad hazy memories, I now remember better ones. I remember ice skating on the pond, fishing in the creek, building snowmen. I remember dad building me that huge playhouse in the yard, my bunnies. Little snippets of events. Like our first Christmas together, when granny made red hearts and lace to cover the tree in, and we spent the day decorating and setting up the train and village. I remember going to the dam and fishing and the fishing pole breaking... when we came home, we told mom a giant blue gill had broke it, even though it really was old and broke on a stick. Right after the divorce, mom would drop me off before school and dad would get me ready. All my stuff was gone and I cried, so dad and granny went to auctions and bought me stuff. A white princess bed with matching dresser and vanity with a stool. A desk, and shelves. The shelves were filled with stuffed animals, dozens and dozens of them. They bought me new clothes and books and an easy bake oven. And granny sewed me a pink lacey bedspread. I remember dad pushing me on the bull rope he put in down back. And the birthday party by the creek. There was a bonfire and THREE barbie doll cakes. I remember being allowed to stay up and watch Karate Kid on TV with him, and his Popeye impressions.
So now I have all these good memories, and I don't know how to feel about them. How to reconcile them to the old ones.

I also don't know how to deal with talking to him. We didn't talk for years and now we do. Its still awkward. I mean, what do you say to someone? Especially someone whose kinda been beaten around a bit. His wife died right before they got remarried, he can't work too much because he was a carpenter and fell off a roof and had the bones in his feet fused. He's a recovering alcoholic. I don't know. He seems to have aged a hundred years since I was 10. How do I deal with this? How do I fix that relationship? I mean, he has nothing. I know some of it is surely his fault, but still.

I dunno. Any sage bits of advice, wisdom, insight?

I was so upset tonight, too, because he called to tell me he sent me a check, part of the settlement he got when Carol passed away. I mean, the man has nothing and he sent me this? And then he was telling me last time we talked that he was going on a date last night with a friend's sister. Well they were to meet in Latrobe and he was at the place, she called and asked where he was. He told her he was there, she drove into the lot, waved and drove away. How horrible is that? My father, like I said, doesn't look that well, he's starting to look better, but to do that to someone? She could have at least called, answered his call, stopped and had the pizza and then said she wasn't interested. How shallow???? I was practically in tears and I am so furious that someone could do that to someone else. Ugh. Okay. Done ranting and rambling.

I praise whoever manages to read all this...
Well!! What a huge amount you have on your shoulders! First off, I dont think divorces are ever easy on any party involved. And I think that your mother wanted you to believe all these years that your father was the bad guy. And the saddest part is that she didnt help you realize all the good. So, he was an alcoholic? He made that mistake, he paid the price, and chances are, hes still paying for it everyday. Nothing nor no one can ever give him back your years that he lost. And maybe having his wife die before they could remarry just reinforced in his mind how important you are to him. Maybe if you could tell him how you're feeling. Understanding is forgiving...and the both of you could probably give eachother what you need. But you have to talk to eachother first. And by what you wrote, theres so much confusion, and that wont go away...sometimes, it doesnt matter what happened before, its about what can happen now. And I think you want to know you father. You cant FIX what happened before. All you can do is overcome it, and move on. Maybe give yourself and your father some time to talk and sort stuff out. Maybe hear his side of the story. I dont want to make assumptions, but I didnt see where you mentioned why they divorced. Maybe you could talk to him also about why Carol (? is that her name??) didnt like you. Maybe she felt threatened by you, and figured she couldnt have the life she wanted as long as you were a permanent reminder of the ex-wife. And maybe she feared that you would go and gossip to your mother, like your mother sent you to spy. Some people do that because they are bitter. I doubt your mother did, but maybe Carol feared it.
I hope you can work this out, and realize how very important it may be for you to mend this broken relationship.
Good luck to you, and if you want, feel free to pm me.


Oh, and by the way, I get along great with my Dad, but was never really close to my Granny after about the age of 10, and sadly, she died in January. I regret not really knowing her. So, I tried to put your story in my life terms, and I hope that I helped, even if just a little.
 
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