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Rescue cat having trouble with newborn kittens

post #1 of 31
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Hi there, I'm new to this site and already have a question I am seeking some suggestions or answers to. I run a small cat rescue in Alberta, Canada. I have been hand raising orphan kittens for 6 years but have never had a queen with kittens (dont' know how I avoided that!). This is in regards to a cat I rescued 1 week ago who is maybe 6 months old herself, she's quite young. Yesterday Buffy had her kittens, 7 of them. I have her isolated from our other cats in a large cattery. She ate one kitten, and overnight appears to have suffocated 2 more by laying on top of them. I have been checking her every few hours and every time I go in there I find a kitten stuck underneath her...she seems to have no sense of where the kittens are or what they are doing. This kitten was slightly cold so I warmed him up and he then started nursing and is fine now, she licked him and seemed unbothered. I am quite nervous about leaving these kittens with her, she is still a baby herself and I wish I could have rescued her sooner and had her spayed but being so close to her due date we felt it was best to let her have the kittens. My question is should I let her keep her babies and keep on trying but risk losing some because of her immaturity? Or should I try to take them away from her(which I think would be awful for her)? I would sleep in there with her but I am 6 months pregnant myself and can barely handle sleeping in my own bed. One other thing, this cat had never had human contact before me...she does however love my attention already, purring and rubbing herself all over me and allowing me to handle her babies and help them nurse from her. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, I look forward to reading and posting more in this forum!
post #2 of 31
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Originally Posted by HappyCats
Hi there, I'm new to this site and already have a question I am seeking some suggestions or answers to. I run a small cat rescue in Alberta, Canada. I have been hand raising orphan kittens for 6 years but have never had a queen with kittens (dont' know how I avoided that!). This is in regards to a cat I rescued 1 week ago who is maybe 6 months old herself, she's quite young. Yesterday Buffy had her kittens, 7 of them. I have her isolated from our other cats in a large cattery. She ate one kitten, and overnight appears to have suffocated 2 more by laying on top of them. I have been checking her every few hours and every time I go in there I find a kitten stuck underneath her...she seems to have no sense of where the kittens are or what they are doing. This kitten was slightly cold so I warmed him up and he then started nursing and is fine now, she licked him and seemed unbothered. I am quite nervous about leaving these kittens with her, she is still a baby herself and I wish I could have rescued her sooner and had her spayed but being so close to her due date we felt it was best to let her have the kittens. My question is should I let her keep her babies and keep on trying but risk losing some because of her immaturity? Or should I try to take them away from her(which I think would be awful for her)? I would sleep in there with her but I am 6 months pregnant myself and can barely handle sleeping in my own bed. One other thing, this cat had never had human contact before me...she does however love my attention already, purring and rubbing herself all over me and allowing me to handle her babies and help them nurse from her. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, I look forward to reading and posting more in this forum!
I had a cat very similar... outside cat, though a little older, and had already had one litter, but, she gave birth to 5, one was still born, another she laid on and suffocated, and another, she abandoned, but luckily we were able to save that one. We left two for her, which she was able to handle. Infact, after she only had two left, she became quite a good mother. If might be best to leave her just one or two kittens, and keep a close eye on them, and take the others away from her.
post #3 of 31
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Well, thank you for your suggestion. I went to check on Buffy and her 4 kittens , 2 hours after posting the original message and they all seemed ok, so I waited another 2 hours just incase she really was ok and I wish i hadn't because she had pushed one of the kittens away and it was already gone. It didn't have any superficial wounds so my thought here is that it was weak and mom knew better than me and jus let it be. The problem here is on top of the fact that she is so young, her kittens are a result of a colony of 5 siblings who before we were contacted to rescue, had already started to imbreed. So these kittens are imbred and to be honest, are not very vigorous at all. It takes work for me to even supplement them with some KMR every few hours, and I've hand raised probably 20-30 a year out here. I'm starting to wonder if this may be a genetic issue rather than a queen who doesn't know what she is doing.
post #4 of 31
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Originally Posted by HappyCats
Well, thank you for your suggestion. I went to check on Buffy and her 4 kittens , 2 hours after posting the original message and they all seemed ok, so I waited another 2 hours just incase she really was ok and I wish i hadn't because she had pushed one of the kittens away and it was already gone. It didn't have any superficial wounds so my thought here is that it was weak and mom knew better than me and jus let it be. The problem here is on top of the fact that she is so young, her kittens are a result of a colony of 5 siblings who before we were contacted to rescue, had already started to imbreed. So these kittens are imbred and to be honest, are not very vigorous at all. It takes work for me to even supplement them with some KMR every few hours, and I've hand raised probably 20-30 a year out here. I'm starting to wonder if this may be a genetic issue rather than a queen who doesn't know what she is doing.

Hmmm... some new queens, as I've been told, will kill off some of their young because it's too overwhelming, until they are left with what is comfortable.
post #5 of 31
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Oh I hope she's not killing them, she seems so comfortable when I am in there with her. She lays perfectly still for her kittens to nurse. It is 6:30pm, I am going to prepare a kitten nest in my bedroom and until I go to bed I am going to check on her like every hour the least and if I must I will take them all away and care for them overnight to see what happens. Maybe I should leave her with 1 if I do take them?
post #6 of 31
Chances are good that the ones she has destroyed were not right and would have eventually died. Momcats don't generally get overwhelmed by young unless they are really young themselves when they give birth.

Momcats will either destroy sickly kittens, or take them out of the nest and let the predators/elements have them. It is a matter of survival for the remaining litter- that also may be ill, just not as bad as the ones she has already taken care of. It sounds brutal, but it is nature's way and survival of the fittest- Keep a close watch on the remainder of the kittens and if you see any of them begin to falter take them away from mom and under your care www.kitten-rescue.com will help guide you-
post #7 of 31
Sorry to hear she has already lost four kittens, but hopefully the other three will hang on and get to normal health.

At this point I would leave them together and hope for the best. I would not separate babies from their mama unless the mother was pushing one of them away or a kitten had clearly been abandoned. At that point, I would take away the "discarded" kitten and try to save them myself with hand-feeding.

(I am not a cat expert but I am experienced with animals.)

Good luck, I know this must be a difficult situation.
post #8 of 31
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After my 3am check on mom everything still looked good, the 3 remaining kittens were sleeping and were nice and warm to the touch so I didn't bother them much more. I went back in to check at 6:30am and they were all still sleeping so to make sure they were ok I put them on mom. 2 started searching for a nipple right away, and one just kept dropping off, not even trying. To make a long story short, he was dehydrated and very very weak with a poor response to any stimulation. I am currently nursing him inside but he is not progressing as I had hoped after 2 hours. I took a look at the recommended website and it is a great source of info, I also have a entire book specifically on handraising orphans that is wonderful. I will keep trying here and hope for the best. My vet opens in an hour and I may stop by there to get another suggestion if needed.
post #9 of 31
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TROUBLE! I just went to check on mom and kitties when I saw they were covered in blood, I panicked and took them away but upon further checking I saw it was coming from mom. She has a lot of bleeding from her vagina, is this normal? I am trying to call the vet but they are still closed. She is also feral and only allows me to touch her, I don't think I can even transport her to the vet.
post #10 of 31
A lot of blood is not normal. If she is bleeding profusely, then the only thing you can do is catch her and get her into the vet.
post #11 of 31
If you can't get her to the vet... house call?
post #12 of 31
Please let us know what is going on. Hopefully you were able to rush the mom to the vet and she was able to be saved.
post #13 of 31
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Originally Posted by hissy
Please let us know what is going on. Hopefully you were able to rush the mom to the vet and she was able to be saved.
post #14 of 31
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UPDATE:
Just got back from the vet. I successfully caught her and she is obviously ill enough to let the vet fully examine her. She had a temp of 40.6 and the vet said her uterus was very large and she may have retained placenta in there and an obvious infection. She gave her a shot of oxytocin to stimulate her to expell the nasty stuff in there, as well as 300cc of sub-Q fluids and an antibiotic injection. She sent her home with me and I will continue the fluid therapy and antibiotics, this vet is on call all weekend if I am to have further problems. The kittens have been taken away from her and the vet showed me how to safely tube feed them as they are slightly weak. Turns out moms milk wasn't very sufficient and she showed lack of interest in her kittens anyways. So for now I am mommy, oh and one more thing...the vet believes these kittens are premature. Possibly momma gave birth too soon due to stress from being feral and then indoor, but most of the kittens were big enough to survive. Let's hope for the best for all of them, I am off to check on mom and then feed babies. I'll let you all know how it goes and thanks for the help!
post #15 of 31
my family is sending good vibes to you and the kitty clan! Good luck and keep us posted!
post #16 of 31
You made a smart choice by taking she and the kittens to the vet. I hope everything turns out great for you, the mom and the kittens!

Grace's situation was much like yours her first litter---she was much too young to carry and raise a litter or kittens and she had hers prematurely as well. She did not eat any of hers, but she did neglect a few of them and they died (she had them while no one was home, so we could not save them) and laid on/suffocated 2 of them when I left her alone with them for only 45 minutes.
post #17 of 31
Sorry to hear this bad news and it sounds like your current course of action is definitely most appropriate. You are making the right decisions and doing good work, so best wishes that mamacat and the kittens can make it.
post #18 of 31
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Here is a picture of one of the little babies. I hope this works and is not too large, if it is I will delete it and try again. They seem to be getting stronger and momma cat doesn't seem to be getting any worse.
post #19 of 31
OMG how sweet. You are a wonderful person for doing al that you are for momma and her babies. I wish you all well!
post #20 of 31
These babies have to be kept extremely warm. They are in a very fragile state right now. Please see the website www.kitten-rescue.com for information about preemies.

Thank you for taking on such a task, and for saving momcat as you did. Her death would have been slow and painful had you not intervened-
post #21 of 31
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The kittens are nice and warm, temp inside the nesting box I made them is exactly as it should be plus I have a ticking clock to resemble mom's heartbeat and a stuffed toy for them to snuggle up to. This pic was taken right after I fed and cleaned baby. I have done this so many times it's fun, I hope my efforts this time pay off! Thanks so much everyone! Momma just ate 1/4 can of chicken and rice food from the vet so it's looking good!
post #22 of 31
Thanks for the progress report
post #23 of 31
how wonderful!!! What a tiny percious baby!!! Please keep us updated!!!
post #24 of 31
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Hi everyone and thanks for the good wishes! Well, I've seen the vet every single day since this started. The kittens got little to no antibodies from moms milk in the beginning so they are really struggling. Being so premature and without an immune system is very difficult. The vet came over last night and we made an even better "nest" for the kittens, one with perfect humidity along with temperature. However her visit was not the happiest one as all 3 babies have respiratory infections. One went from pretty good to horrible in 2 hours and my vet felt he should be put to sleep. I was very sad by this. The 2 remaining are ok. They have a little bit of runny noses and I hear an occasional mini-sneeze. The vet gave me the tiniest dose of meds for them plus I am putting a tiny bit of yogurt in the tube-feeding mixture to help their tummys since they are on meds. They sure are fighters, everyone who has seen them is surprised they are still alive because they are so small, 2 ounces each. I have been watching them so closely, and my vet is so amazing too. She really enforces that I am doing everything I can for these little ones and it sure helps to know that. So lets all hope these babies can make it, they sure are precious...but aren't they all. Momma cat is perfectly fine now, no signs of illness but her milk never did drop so it's not even worth giving her these kittens back. She was too young anyways and having them prematurely caused a lack of hormone which stimulates her mothering instincts. It's too bad. I'll let you all know if anything else happens, thanks for the support!
post #25 of 31
Is mom spayed now? best of luck with the preemies, we have a preemie thread in SOS or Health, I can't remember. Let me see if I can find it, and if it survived our crash last year-

well this is the only thread that came up

Preemies
post #26 of 31
Sorry to hear about loss of another kitten but glad to hear the mama and two kittens are still hanging in there. Thanks for doing what you can for all of these kittens born prematurely and having such difficult circumstances.
post #27 of 31
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Momma cat will be spayed once her course of antibiotics is finished, she's already booked for surgery, it will be this coming Monday. I will check out the preemie thread as well, thanks for that. My 2 kittens so far today look good, the little black and white boy goes bonkers as soon as I put my hand in there, he crawls all over it and sucks it...so sweet! Take care everyone!
post #28 of 31
What a story... You are a great person for taking care of these kittens
post #29 of 31
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UPDATE! Well for anyone who may still check this thread I just wanted to give a quick update. Momma cat is now spayed and recovered and is such an amazing cat. She is definately one of the success stories you hear from time to time about taming feral cats, which is wonderful because now I can find her a great indoor home. As for her 2 kittens that are left I am still nursing them, they are both on the bottle and are doing pretty well. They are still so very tiny, they weigh about 100 grams(2.5 ounces approx) each at 2 weeks of age, which is usually what they weigh at birth but they are healthy and strong and vocal so the vet thinks they are just behind on growth and nothing serious is wrong. So I am keeping positive for these 2 babies. Well, as I can see from all the threads, kitten season is now here and in full effect. Goodluck everyone!
post #30 of 31
Oh you can rest assured people care and are checking this thread
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