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Plane just crashed into Queens!!!!!!!!!!!
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I just heard that also. It's a boeing 767 that was going to the Dominican Republic, with 246 people on board.
As far as they can tell, nobody know yet if it's related to the attack of 11th of September.
I don't know what to say... It's desperating!! And infuriating!
Anne-Claire
As far as they can tell, nobody know yet if it's related to the attack of 11th of September.
I don't know what to say... It's desperating!! And infuriating!
Anne-Claire
I just heard the same!! Apparently there is no known reason why the plane crashed as yet......who knows?!
They don't know yet Griffin - sorting out details. Hang in there + they will figure things out - NYC is 'locked down' per the TV. Just in case!
One eyewitness says that an "engine fell off" then 10-15 seconds later, it nosedived.
Another witness says that there was a noise and then it nosedived.
The pentagon just reported that the "military" was not aware of any emergency call prior to the crash.
There were 247 passengers, and 9 crew members.
Another witness says that there was a noise and then it nosedived.
The pentagon just reported that the "military" was not aware of any emergency call prior to the crash.
There were 247 passengers, and 9 crew members.
Just got this from CNN:
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NEW YORK (CNN) -- An American Airlines jet with 255 people on board crashed Monday in a residential neighborhood after taking off from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.
American Airlines Flight 587 went down at 9:17 a.m. EST in the Rockways section of the New York City borough of Queens about five miles from Kennedy Airport. Mayor Rudy Giuliani said there were two crash sites -- one where the plane landed and another where an engine landed. Both were about six blocks from a school building. The school was closed for the Veterans Day holiday.
The plane was scheduled to leave at 8:40 a.m. EST, but takeoff was delayed until 9:14 a.m. EST.
The plane, an Airbus A300, was en route from New York to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey said the plane was carrying 246 passengers and nine crew members.
An eyewitness told CNN, "I was in my kitchen.. and I saw the plane hit the house behind my house. It was so low, I was ducking almost, then huge fireballs and I jumped out of the ... window of my house.
"I ran right across the street ... it's unbelievable," she said, overcome by emotion. "It sounded like two planes. It was flying too low, and then it hit. It was like a bomb exploded."
Another eyewitness, Phyllis Paul, who lives near the crash site, said a "big, silvery piece of metal" fell behind her house before the plane went down.
"I was sitting having breakfast, and I heard the engines very loud," she said. "They were loud and low, and because of what happened September 11, it gave me a chill. ... I looked out of the window to see if I could see where it was."
Paul said she got her 10-year-old son and left the house.
"I didn't hear an explosion at first when I saw the metal fall. I heard an explosion about a minute and a half later," she said.
Asked if terrorism was suspected, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Bill Schumann said, "All options are open at this time. We have very limited information."
The Pentagon said surveillance fights were going on in the area and nothing unusual had been spotted.
At least four houses were on fire, and a huge plume of smoke could be seen rising from the site. The New York Fire Department dispatched 44 firetrucks and 200 firefighters to the scene.
All three New York City-area airports -- Kennedy, LaGuardia and Newark -- closed after the crash, along with all the city's bridges and tunnels. Giuliani declared a Level One emergency, mobilizing all available police, fire and emergency personnel.
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NEW YORK (CNN) -- An American Airlines jet with 255 people on board crashed Monday in a residential neighborhood after taking off from New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport.
American Airlines Flight 587 went down at 9:17 a.m. EST in the Rockways section of the New York City borough of Queens about five miles from Kennedy Airport. Mayor Rudy Giuliani said there were two crash sites -- one where the plane landed and another where an engine landed. Both were about six blocks from a school building. The school was closed for the Veterans Day holiday.
The plane was scheduled to leave at 8:40 a.m. EST, but takeoff was delayed until 9:14 a.m. EST.
The plane, an Airbus A300, was en route from New York to Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey said the plane was carrying 246 passengers and nine crew members.
An eyewitness told CNN, "I was in my kitchen.. and I saw the plane hit the house behind my house. It was so low, I was ducking almost, then huge fireballs and I jumped out of the ... window of my house.
"I ran right across the street ... it's unbelievable," she said, overcome by emotion. "It sounded like two planes. It was flying too low, and then it hit. It was like a bomb exploded."
Another eyewitness, Phyllis Paul, who lives near the crash site, said a "big, silvery piece of metal" fell behind her house before the plane went down.
"I was sitting having breakfast, and I heard the engines very loud," she said. "They were loud and low, and because of what happened September 11, it gave me a chill. ... I looked out of the window to see if I could see where it was."
Paul said she got her 10-year-old son and left the house.
"I didn't hear an explosion at first when I saw the metal fall. I heard an explosion about a minute and a half later," she said.
Asked if terrorism was suspected, Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Bill Schumann said, "All options are open at this time. We have very limited information."
The Pentagon said surveillance fights were going on in the area and nothing unusual had been spotted.
At least four houses were on fire, and a huge plume of smoke could be seen rising from the site. The New York Fire Department dispatched 44 firetrucks and 200 firefighters to the scene.
All three New York City-area airports -- Kennedy, LaGuardia and Newark -- closed after the crash, along with all the city's bridges and tunnels. Giuliani declared a Level One emergency, mobilizing all available police, fire and emergency personnel.
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More funerals for New York, my heart is weeping no matter what the cause. There are no known reasons for this crash yet, but from what the coverage is here they say there was an explosion and then the left engine fell off.
The FBI says there was an explosion on board before the plane went down. I hope the people on the ground got out of their homes. So sad, to see this happening again. Well, just the plane crash part.
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Yes this is so sad. I will be interested to know why the difference in the time the plane was scheduled to take off and the time it actually did take off!!!
My heart goes out to all these people and their loved ones.
Meme
My heart goes out to all these people and their loved ones.
Meme
I was at work when the crash happened, and I tried to stay informed thoughout the day. This afternoon someone said that they had heard that the plane flew into some birds and this is what caused the crash. I don't know if this is accurate information or not. Has anyone else heard anything similar?
I heard that the plane was on the ground for over an hour prior to taking off due to mechanical difficulties. How can this happen and then people allow this plane to take off?
I'm really upset for all the people in New York as well as all the people flying today. Can you imagine the fear these people are holding onto. My prayers go out to all those families. What a shame.
Love & Peace,
Catarina
I just heard that there were five babies on board that were not listed on the passenger lists since they didn't have reserved seats. This really makes it hit home. Babies...!
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Ok everyone...Here is a time line of events as copied from CNN online.
-- 8:40 a.m. EST -- Flight 587 scheduled for departure from Kennedy International Airport in New York.
-- 9:14 a.m. EST -- Flight 587 takes off.
-- 9:17 a.m. EST -- Flight 587 crashes five miles from Kennedy airport in the Rockaway section of New York borough of Queens.
-- 9:25 a.m. EST -- President Bush, in a National Security Council meeting, receives word of the crash.
New York declares Level One Alert; 44 fire trucks, 200 firefighters dispatched to scene.
Witnesses claim they heard an explosion and saw flames coming from the right side of the aircraft before it crashed.
-- 10:30 a.m. EST -- NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announces security measures being taken around the city, including the temporary shutdown of area airports. The city's tunnels and bridges are closed. They are later reopened for outbound traffic.
-- 12:07 p.m. EST -- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer holds news conference, saying "we have not ruled anything in, we have not ruled anything out" in the investigation.
-- 12:24 p.m. EST -- American Airlines holds news conference. Don Carty, CEO of AMR Corporation, calls Monday "an incredibly sad day."
-- 1:00 p.m. EST -- Giuliani holds news conference, telling people they should not "speculate" about the cause of the crash. Also, Giuliani says it appears there are no survivors in the wreckage.
-- 1:30 p.m. EST -- NTSB holds news conference. Marion Blakey, NTSB chairwoman, announces they have recovered flight data recorder from plane. Later, it was learned that it was the cockpit voice recorder that was found.
-- 2 p.m. EST -- NYC-area airports reopen, accepting incoming flights. LaGuardia and Newark also allowing departures.
-- 3:30 p.m. EST -- Mayor Giuliani, Gov. George Pataki hold news conference. Pataki says it appears the pilot "did dump fuel over Jamaica Bay before the crash, which is consistent with the pilot thinking that there was some failure."
Meme
-- 8:40 a.m. EST -- Flight 587 scheduled for departure from Kennedy International Airport in New York.
-- 9:14 a.m. EST -- Flight 587 takes off.
-- 9:17 a.m. EST -- Flight 587 crashes five miles from Kennedy airport in the Rockaway section of New York borough of Queens.
-- 9:25 a.m. EST -- President Bush, in a National Security Council meeting, receives word of the crash.
New York declares Level One Alert; 44 fire trucks, 200 firefighters dispatched to scene.
Witnesses claim they heard an explosion and saw flames coming from the right side of the aircraft before it crashed.
-- 10:30 a.m. EST -- NYC Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announces security measures being taken around the city, including the temporary shutdown of area airports. The city's tunnels and bridges are closed. They are later reopened for outbound traffic.
-- 12:07 p.m. EST -- White House spokesman Ari Fleischer holds news conference, saying "we have not ruled anything in, we have not ruled anything out" in the investigation.
-- 12:24 p.m. EST -- American Airlines holds news conference. Don Carty, CEO of AMR Corporation, calls Monday "an incredibly sad day."
-- 1:00 p.m. EST -- Giuliani holds news conference, telling people they should not "speculate" about the cause of the crash. Also, Giuliani says it appears there are no survivors in the wreckage.
-- 1:30 p.m. EST -- NTSB holds news conference. Marion Blakey, NTSB chairwoman, announces they have recovered flight data recorder from plane. Later, it was learned that it was the cockpit voice recorder that was found.
-- 2 p.m. EST -- NYC-area airports reopen, accepting incoming flights. LaGuardia and Newark also allowing departures.
-- 3:30 p.m. EST -- Mayor Giuliani, Gov. George Pataki hold news conference. Pataki says it appears the pilot "did dump fuel over Jamaica Bay before the crash, which is consistent with the pilot thinking that there was some failure."
Meme
They've recoverd 265 bodies
This is so heartbreaking. I watched some man on TV holding his tears back...it's just too much for me.
Signs Show Plane Crash Was Accident
The Associated Press
Nov 13 2001 11:35AM
WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal safety officials concluded a month ago there was an unsafe condition in the type of engine that powered an airliner that crashed in New York City, and started moving toward tougher inspections.
Investigators were treating Monday's crash of American Airlines Flight 587 as an accident. The chief reason, said George Black, an investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board, is the plane's cockpit voice recorder.
``It is absent of any extraneous noises or acts that we would not associate with a normal aviation environment,'' Black said on CBS' ``The Early Show.''
However, he added on NBC's ``Today'' that the evidence on the recorder does not rule out sabotage. ``We're not going to exclude that possibility until the investigation goes much further than this, but right now there's no evidence.''
A source close to the investigation said the board also was looking at whether the engines failed after ingesting birds. Kennedy Airport, running along Jamaica Bay, has had problems with birds on the runway.
``That's a runway that's prone to having birds loafing on it,'' aviation consultant Jim McKenna said. ``The Port Authority's always running trucks down the runway. They have fireworks cannons mounted along the length of the runway to scare the birds.''
Early evidence pointed to mechanical failure in the Airbus A300 - a plane whose CF6-80C2 engines have drawn close scrutiny since the spring of 2000, when planes reported engine failures that sent metal fragments flying.
After extensive review, the Federal Aviation Administration published a safety notice in the Federal Register on Oct. 5 stating there was a need for mandatory inspections of the CF6-80C2 engine because ``an unsafe condition has been identified.'' It gave the public 60 days, until Dec. 4, to comment before ordering the more extensive and more frequent inspections.
The CF6-80C2 that powered the ill-fated American plane is used on more than 1,000 aircraft worldwide, including the Boeing 747 jet used by President Bush.
General Electric, parent company for the engine maker, said it complied with all the government's repair orders and believed the engine was ``phenomenally reliable.''
GE has built 2,954 of these engines - first introduced in 1984 - and they are among the best-selling for wide-bodied aircraft.
The left engine that apparently failed in Monday's crash had been overhauled recently, while the right engine was due for an overhaul soon.
Mindful of the Sept. 11 suicide hijackings of four airliners, investigators looking at Monday's crash in the borough of Queens said the voice cockpit recorder, debris patterns and eyewitness reports all pointed toward an accident, not terrorism.
``All indications are it's an accident,'' said NTSB Chairwoman Marion Blakey.
With the holiday travel season approaching, officials in Washington sought to manage renewed anxiety about the safety and financial health of airlines already badly shaken by the terrorist attacks.
Top administration officials were quick to stress that an initial review of intelligence data had found no evidence that terrorism was involved in the crash, and that the NTSB, which investigates transportation accidents, was in charge. The FBI assisted, looking for any evidence of a crime.
``If we find out it is a tragic accident, everybody will give a collective sigh of relief, which really shows how much stress we're under since Sept. 11,'' said Darryl Jenkins, director of George Washington University's Aviation Institute.
Investigators, nonetheless, scoured records of who had access recently to the plane, which had routine maintenance the night before it departed New York's Kennedy Airport en route to the Dominican Republic.
The plane's tail fin was found in the waters of Jamaica Bay.
Investigators also had extensive descriptions from eyewitnesses, including a commercial pilot on the ground who reported one of the plane's engines caught fire during takeoff and eventually broke from the wing.
``When you see an engine separate like that and be visibly intact, it seems to point to mechanical failure,'' said aviation lawyer Don Nolan, whose Chicago-based firm represented victims of United Airlines Flight 232, which crashed in 1989 in Sioux City, Iowa, after an earlier version of General Electric's CF6 engine came apart in flight.
The Oct. 5 FAA order came after the FAA told airlines in June to begin other inspections of the same engines for cracks in certain rotor disks, a component within the engines.
A month earlier, a problem with the same type of engine forced the emergency landing of a Monarch Airlines passenger jet in Portugal.
Documents from the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch said a rotor blade snapped, puncturing the engine's housing with a 3-inch hole and causing minor damage to the wing.
The pilots reported dramatic vibration, and British officials reported there had been ``several similar failures prior to this event.''
In September 2000, part of a GE CF6 series engine was ejected and penetrated the left wing of a US Airways jet undergoing a maintenance run on the ground at Philadelphia International Airport. A loud explosion was heard, following by a fire.
``This incident raises serious safety concerns because, if it had occurred during flight rather than on the ground during maintenance, the airplane might not have been able to maintain safe flight,'' the NTSB said in December.
Last year, the FAA ordered airlines to replace a fuel tube within these engines to prevent high-pressure leaks that investigators warned could result in an engine fire and damage to the airplane. Also last year, the FAA ordered carriers to replace certain fan shafts earlier than planned to prevent possible catastrophic failure.
APO
The Associated Press
Nov 13 2001 11:35AM
WASHINGTON (AP) - Federal safety officials concluded a month ago there was an unsafe condition in the type of engine that powered an airliner that crashed in New York City, and started moving toward tougher inspections.
Investigators were treating Monday's crash of American Airlines Flight 587 as an accident. The chief reason, said George Black, an investigator with the National Transportation Safety Board, is the plane's cockpit voice recorder.
``It is absent of any extraneous noises or acts that we would not associate with a normal aviation environment,'' Black said on CBS' ``The Early Show.''
However, he added on NBC's ``Today'' that the evidence on the recorder does not rule out sabotage. ``We're not going to exclude that possibility until the investigation goes much further than this, but right now there's no evidence.''
A source close to the investigation said the board also was looking at whether the engines failed after ingesting birds. Kennedy Airport, running along Jamaica Bay, has had problems with birds on the runway.
``That's a runway that's prone to having birds loafing on it,'' aviation consultant Jim McKenna said. ``The Port Authority's always running trucks down the runway. They have fireworks cannons mounted along the length of the runway to scare the birds.''
Early evidence pointed to mechanical failure in the Airbus A300 - a plane whose CF6-80C2 engines have drawn close scrutiny since the spring of 2000, when planes reported engine failures that sent metal fragments flying.
After extensive review, the Federal Aviation Administration published a safety notice in the Federal Register on Oct. 5 stating there was a need for mandatory inspections of the CF6-80C2 engine because ``an unsafe condition has been identified.'' It gave the public 60 days, until Dec. 4, to comment before ordering the more extensive and more frequent inspections.
The CF6-80C2 that powered the ill-fated American plane is used on more than 1,000 aircraft worldwide, including the Boeing 747 jet used by President Bush.
General Electric, parent company for the engine maker, said it complied with all the government's repair orders and believed the engine was ``phenomenally reliable.''
GE has built 2,954 of these engines - first introduced in 1984 - and they are among the best-selling for wide-bodied aircraft.
The left engine that apparently failed in Monday's crash had been overhauled recently, while the right engine was due for an overhaul soon.
Mindful of the Sept. 11 suicide hijackings of four airliners, investigators looking at Monday's crash in the borough of Queens said the voice cockpit recorder, debris patterns and eyewitness reports all pointed toward an accident, not terrorism.
``All indications are it's an accident,'' said NTSB Chairwoman Marion Blakey.
With the holiday travel season approaching, officials in Washington sought to manage renewed anxiety about the safety and financial health of airlines already badly shaken by the terrorist attacks.
Top administration officials were quick to stress that an initial review of intelligence data had found no evidence that terrorism was involved in the crash, and that the NTSB, which investigates transportation accidents, was in charge. The FBI assisted, looking for any evidence of a crime.
``If we find out it is a tragic accident, everybody will give a collective sigh of relief, which really shows how much stress we're under since Sept. 11,'' said Darryl Jenkins, director of George Washington University's Aviation Institute.
Investigators, nonetheless, scoured records of who had access recently to the plane, which had routine maintenance the night before it departed New York's Kennedy Airport en route to the Dominican Republic.
The plane's tail fin was found in the waters of Jamaica Bay.
Investigators also had extensive descriptions from eyewitnesses, including a commercial pilot on the ground who reported one of the plane's engines caught fire during takeoff and eventually broke from the wing.
``When you see an engine separate like that and be visibly intact, it seems to point to mechanical failure,'' said aviation lawyer Don Nolan, whose Chicago-based firm represented victims of United Airlines Flight 232, which crashed in 1989 in Sioux City, Iowa, after an earlier version of General Electric's CF6 engine came apart in flight.
The Oct. 5 FAA order came after the FAA told airlines in June to begin other inspections of the same engines for cracks in certain rotor disks, a component within the engines.
A month earlier, a problem with the same type of engine forced the emergency landing of a Monarch Airlines passenger jet in Portugal.
Documents from the British Air Accidents Investigation Branch said a rotor blade snapped, puncturing the engine's housing with a 3-inch hole and causing minor damage to the wing.
The pilots reported dramatic vibration, and British officials reported there had been ``several similar failures prior to this event.''
In September 2000, part of a GE CF6 series engine was ejected and penetrated the left wing of a US Airways jet undergoing a maintenance run on the ground at Philadelphia International Airport. A loud explosion was heard, following by a fire.
``This incident raises serious safety concerns because, if it had occurred during flight rather than on the ground during maintenance, the airplane might not have been able to maintain safe flight,'' the NTSB said in December.
Last year, the FAA ordered airlines to replace a fuel tube within these engines to prevent high-pressure leaks that investigators warned could result in an engine fire and damage to the airplane. Also last year, the FAA ordered carriers to replace certain fan shafts earlier than planned to prevent possible catastrophic failure.
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