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post #1 of 51
Thread Starter 
How many of you think that the Pledge of Allegiance should be brought back into the schools?

I remember when I went to school in the 60's and 70's, everyday before the start of school we stood up, placed our hands over our hearts and pledged allegiance to the US.

I'm curious to know what everyone thinks.

post #2 of 51
without knowing any legalities about this issue, my heart says yes, but I'm sure that there are a lot of rational arguements as to why it's not a good idea. But my heart says it's a good idea.
post #3 of 51
I graduated from High School in 96 and it is while I was in High School that I noticed we stopped saying the pledge of allegiance. I don't know if it is normal to phase it out in High School or what but in Elementary and Middle School we said it every single day, not to mention the Texas Pledge. Here in Texas you not only said the Pledge of Allegiance but the Texas Pledge and it went like this:

Honor the Texas flag
I pledge allegiance to thee
Texas, one, and indivisible

I remember when I moved to Texas from Michigan I thought that was really wierd. Well, I voted yes for the pledge. Is there anybody else out there who had to say a state pledge too?
post #4 of 51
In grade school and middle school, we said the pledge of alligence every morning. We didn't say it in high school. Also, in grade school, they taught us about the first U.S. flag made by Betsy Ross, and other historical information. I also learned how to handle the flag, and the reasons why we show respect to the flag. They did more than just teach us the pledge of alligence. I am voting yes.
post #5 of 51
post #6 of 51
I remember in grade school, we said it everyday at the start of class. In junior high and high school, we only did it during assembly or sports games. I want it back in school.
post #7 of 51
Our Daughter say the pledge of allegiance every morning at school. She's been doing it since kindergarten, in fact, it took Sandie and I the longest time to convince her that at the end, "Thank You, Have a Nice Day", was not part of the Pledge.

I think it's awesome they do this here, I wish more schools across the country would start it up again. And Yes, as I type this there is a little red tabby munchkin kitten on my shoulder.....

Life is indeed Grand.....

post #8 of 51
everyone who has posted so far says yes, so who was the one person who voted no?
post #9 of 51
Someone who intended to vote yes much have accidently voted no without realizing it.
post #10 of 51
I realize that, but if they did, they didn't post at all. just accidently hit no and then didn't post. There were 7 votes and 6 posts. Not that it's a big deal at all, I'm just interested in hearing the other side.
post #11 of 51
I vote yes!!!!
post #12 of 51
Oh I didn't vote... I didn't see it at the top..... until now anyway...

I'll go back and vote..

post #13 of 51
Yes, yes, emphatically yes, I believe the Pledge of Allegiance as well as the history of the flag and flag ettiquette belong in the classroom. I don`t believe that children should be REQUIRED to learn or recite the Pledge, though, because it is contrary to the religious beliefs of some,and those religious rights are protected by the country this flag symbolizes.
post #14 of 51
Thread Starter 

I also think children should be taught the history of the flag, what it means and how to handle and respect it. I also believe that if the pledge of allegiance goes against their religion or for whatever reason, then it's their choice not to recite the pledge. Plain and simple.

post #15 of 51
When did it ever leave?

I teach school, and we say the Pledge every day. I just checked with my middle school-age kids, and they say it every morning at their school, too. When my daughter was younger, she used to pledge on the weekends whenever she saw a flag.

In what part of this country has this been discontinued?

Just curious.

What needs to be brought back is kids learning all the patriotic songs, like "America", "America the Beautiful", "God Bless America", "You're a Grand Old Flag" etc. I began a campaign to teach our kids at school these songs after Sept. 11. Too many had never heard the songs we sang every day after the Pledge.
post #16 of 51
I thought it was still supposed to be said in school. I only graduated 3 years ago and we still did it. Did something change since then??

I Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America . . . with liberty and justice for all --- right?

We got in trouble if we didn't say it while we stood.
post #17 of 51

That's a great idea Deb. It's really been quite a long time since hearing school kids belt out America. I can remember we were allowed to vote for the song we would like to sing each week.

At the risk of sounding archaic here, I thought knowing the "Pledge of Alliegence" was required to get your citizenship.

Nevertheless, Yes, yes, a gazillion times yes

Love & Peace,
post #18 of 51
I vote "YES"

post #19 of 51
When did kids stop saying the Pledge of Allegience? (I know I spelled that wrong) And when did they stop learning all those old patriotic songs? At least I would think that if they learn other American folk songs (like Camptown Races or I've Been Working on the Railroad or Oh Suzanna) they would learn God Bless American at the same time. This Land is Your Land,
This Land is My Land is pretty contemporary folk music, Pete Seeger or someone else really well-known in the 60's. Goodness, I know I'm out of the loop, but this seems like a pretty big change to me . . .
post #20 of 51
it warms my heart that we are all in agreement about the pledge!
post #21 of 51
Yes, it should definitely be brought back and children should be required to recite it every morning in school, regardless of religion. It is bad enough that bleeding heart liberals finally got prayer out of school, the pledge has nothing to do with religion and should never have been removed from schools or public gatherings. One of my fondest memories of my school days was my 1st grade teacher leading us in The Lord's Prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance every morning before we began our lessons. It led to history lessons and learning what it meant to be proud to be an American. Thanks, Miss Edmonds, where ever you are!
post #22 of 51
Yes, yes, yes!!! I just did a speech in my speech class regarding separation of church and state and the TRUE intention of the writers of the constitutional ammendments. (Got an 'A' on the speech even though my professor didn't really agree... I had too much evidence supporting my side!) I personally think it's sad that just because the pledge contains the word 'God' it's considered offensive to some.
post #23 of 51
Especially now because there is such a surge of patriotism in the country and it is up everyone to keep it alive. I remember standing by the side of my desk, hand over my heart in homeroom saying the pledge every day. I also remember the freeze bell at recess and duck and cover drills too. Older than the hills, that's me...
post #24 of 51
At my son's school here in MA, they say the Pledge of Allegiance every day, and they also sing a patriotic song. I don't know if its mandatory here or not, but they do it.
post #25 of 51
Sunlion - actually folk music was made to protest the government, especially This Land is Your Land. Read the lyrics and you'll be very surprised. I'm taking a Rock and Roll history class and we just finished covering folk music.

words and music by Woody Guthrie

This land is your land, this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island
From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me

As I was walking a ribbon of highway
I saw above me an endless skyway
I saw below me a golden valley
This land was made for you and me


I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me


The sun comes shining as I was strolling
The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
This land was made for you and me


As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!


In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
If this land's still made for you and me.


Surprising, huh? I thought so the first time I read it.
post #26 of 51
At my school, we require all children to at least stand for the Pledge every day. Children of some faiths, Jehovah's Witness in particular, do not have to recite the Pledge, as it goes against their religious beliefs to do so.

All this loss of patriotism is not a recent development. A 28-year-old friend admitted to me that he doesn't even know the words to "God Bless America". He revealed that to me the day that Congress opened by singing it after Sept. 11. That gave me the idea to resurrect these songs at school.

Yesterday at school we had a rally for Veteran's Day. We gathered all the students and had a supposed sing-along of all the patriotic songs we had been learning. It bothered me that many (read most) of the teachers didn't even join in. I don't care how lousy I sing; you're gonna hear my voice. Guess I'm just a diehard American.

As to the prayer in schools issue, I spent a semester studying it in a School Law course. It is interesting stuff.
post #27 of 51
I'm not sure about prayer in school. I think since we are not such a Christian country any more, it's probably for the best. Otherwise to preserve equality you would have to have prayers from other religions too, at least you'd have to do different religions on different days, and someone would get offended. The first time a fundamentalist prayed for the conversion of non-believers, that would be a problem. Or someone would freak when it was the pagans' turn.

But patriotic songs should be okay. We are all Americans (not on this board, in the US) and the few students who aren't are still here because their family thinks the US is better than where they were. So you'd think more people would be familiar with the music.

I wonder why we are embarassed to feel patriotic? Is it such a simple emotion in this era of urbane cynicism? Is it because younger people see themselves as part of the world more than part of a specific country? Is the line too fine between patriotism and cliche or patriotism and imperialism (entitlement, colonialism, manifest destiny)? I would like to think we are modest, that we have become aware how much influence we have and are working to be inconspicuous, but I don't think that's accurate. I notice that people seem to mock sentimentality and I wonder if this is part of the same attitude.



Actually, I knew that. My parents were big folk music people so I grew up listening to that stuff. It has breatly affected both my politics and my taste in music. Darn parents! They didn't even know they were doing that! lol I'm embarassed that I couldn't come up with Woodie Guthrie's name on my own, though. I was like "I KNEW that!" It just seems that kids only learn the first 3 verses.
post #28 of 51

Just out of curiosity I took a look at the lyrics for America. I couldn't believe it but there were eight verses to that song. Katherine Lee Bates wrote that on a school day outing, where they rented a wagon train for a day! HAHAHA! It broke down..(damn rentals) and they headed up to the top of the mountain by mule trains (those mule trains are so much more reliable)...anyway, she was so overwhelmed when she got to the top of the mountain that she wrote the original in 1903. She revised it twice and the final version was written in 1913.

Wow, I sure learned alot just by checking out the lyrics!

Well, I gotta go catch a mule :laughing2...see ya later.

post #29 of 51
sun-- yeah - I grew up only learning the first few parts to that song and all this time I thought it was supposed to be "good." That is until this class. wow! I never realized it before this fall --- I always thought folk music was so layed back, but they (the singers and authors of the songs) were really a "stirred" up group.

Oh yeah, mule trains are much more reliable, I take one to work everyday - haha
post #30 of 51
I voted yes, and as usual, I have a comment to make, and danged if I'm not gonna make it....

Deb25......your comment I have copied and pasted is awesome....

Quote by Deb25..

What needs to be brought back is kids learning all the patriotic songs, like "America", "America the Beautiful", "God Bless America", "You're a Grand Old Flag" etc. I began a campaign to teach our kids at school these songs after Sept. 11. Too many had never heard the songs we sang every day after the Pledge.

and Sunlion, your comments,...
Quote by sunlion......

I'm not sure about prayer in school. I think since we are not such a Christian country any more, it's probably for the best.


Who says we are not such a Christian country???????? I would still like to think we are.

As opposed to what? An atheist country? I think not.
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