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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I have not a clue what to do ..My older siamese is 16 and his back
legs are going...as he is in pain at times...my younger cat is a 10 year old
bengal ..they love each other sleep together..but he always sort of waks
over the siamese and bites him on the back..neck...or somewhere in
the area ...I have tried stuff but never works..he is not afraid of water
and the older cat know just screems for help....the bengal is not mean\\
but this is getting to much for the old guy...is there anything I can
put on his back to keep the other cat from doiing this ..that wont hurt
younger one I am afraid to go out and leave them ...since my siamese
has been in discomfort from his hind quarters ..locking them away
is not an option...i my situation..
thanks so much if you can advise anything..to put on my older cats back
post #2 of 19
What a sad situation for your older kitty. Do you know why his back legs are painful?
Has kidney disease been ruled out - it can sometimes affect the rear legs. If his legs bother him because of arthritis, ask your vet about glucosamine. It worked wonders for my 16 year old kitty, and pretty quickly, too. She takes 250 mg once per day (my vet said either the HCL or sulfate version is fine to use - both available at health food stores). Call your vet soon as possible, since if it is arthritis, you want to begin the glucosamine immediately.

My reason for asking you about the cause of his leg pain is I'm thinking that if you can alleviate some of the Siamese's pain, and he realizes he can move more easily without hurting, he may be able to fend off the Bengal kitty. Since you said they love each other, sounds like the Bengal just wants to play/wrestle, but the older one knows he isn't up to it and cries out. Maybe improving your Siamese's ability to use his legs (if possible) will lessen the stress level he feels when the younger cat gets too playful and may even allow him to play a little, too.

I can't think of anything you could put on your kitty's back to repel the other cat. Even if there was some type of repellent, it wouldn't be pleasant for the older cat to have on his fur and I don't think you'd want to stress him further by an unpleasant odor he couldn't get away from.

Since the older cat can't play well with his friend anymore, looks like you're going to have to "fill in" as playmate for him and have a couple of good play sessions per day to let the Bengal burn off some of his energy. I know you don't want to do this, but there may be times when you have to separate them when you're not at home, so that the Siamese is not upset or accidentally hurt by the younger cat. You don't want to take chances with this.

Please let us know how it's going.
post #3 of 19
Older cats really begin to crave more sleep, warmth and quiet conditions. They are tired and don't appreciate excitement. But you already know this!

I can't think of anything to put on the 16 year old's back, but I would make 2-3 hiding places or "rest stations" where the older cat can go to be alone if he just wants to relax in peace. His body is winding down and you just want to make his twilight years comfortable -- too bad the 10 year old loses his "playmate" but the 16 year old will now opt out of all rough-housing they might have enjoyed in the past.

Sorry I can't think of specific ideas.
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
my youg begal is a mess
My Siamese has been dealing with this for years..just
so afraid ...There is not much I can do about the rear leg prob..
I have been using glucos.ect..synflex...1/4 tsp the siamese
is about 25 lbs.. and the alt...are bad as nsids caused liver damage
I feel like I will never be the same...I love him and won't put him trough
any pain and suff he is eating and drinking not to much and goes to the
litter always..
Thanks for you responses...I feel like I am going crazy every
time the youger on gets over him and sinks his teeth into the old ones
back he just can't get him off.. I am really in a mess...
Thanks...so much again...Sh
post #5 of 19
Tajicat - What is the cause of your cat's leg problem? When is the last time he went to the vet - was complete bloodwork done? Since your cat is not eating and drinking much, he needs to be seen by a vet ASAP. Lack of food can cause liver damage, in addition to other more obvious problems.

You mention using glucosamine and synflex (not sure what that is) and also said something about "nsids caused liver damage". I don't understand what that means. Could you explain?

If the Bengal is actually sinking his teeth into the older cat, you must keep them separated. It's not fair to the older one who is unable to defend himself. If he's ill he is already stressed from that, and the Bengal jumping on him and biting him will greatly increase his stress level, as well as cause injury.

Please take your Siamese to the vet soon as possible, and let us know how he's doing.
post #6 of 19
You owe it to your senior cat to provide him a calm environment to grow old in. Is your bengal neutered?
post #7 of 19
I can sense this is a tough time for you and I do not want to "blast" you for trying to help... but please, if you have to keep them seperated or find him a new home where he is the only cat and able to finish growing old in peace.

Did you say the older cat is 25 pounds? Is it possible his weight is the cause of his back legs being a problem?

Is the biting going through his skin and into him or is the bengal just holding onto the scruff of his neck without serious damage, like a cat who wants sex?

Good luck.
post #8 of 19
Thread Starter 
[quote=KTLynn]Tajicat - What is the cause of your cat's leg problem? When is the last time he went to the vet - was complete bloodwork done? Since your cat is not eating and drinking much, he needs to be seen by a vet ASAP. Lack of food can cause liver damage, in addition to other more obvious problems.

You mention using glucosamine and synflex (not sure what that is) and also said something about "nsids caused liver damage". I don't understand what that means. Could you explain?

If the Bengal is actually sinking his teeth into the older cat, you must keep them separated. It's not fair to the older one who is unable to defend himself. If he's ill he is already stressed from that, and the Bengal jumping on him and biting him will greatly increase his stress level, as well as cause injury.

Please take your Siamese to the vet soon as possible, and let us know how he's doing.


No the older cat is eating well and drinking water!
I have a 2 fold problem...When I have taken him to the vet he
gets so stressed and because he is allergic to the vaciine for dist..est
he has never had his shots.. as a young cat he went almost paraly....

the other problem is that due to his age I won't put him thru any
more pain unless it gets really bad...I lost his brother at 6 1/2
due to ketonic diabetes.... 3500.00 dollars.. suffering and I lost him any
ways.. So I will not do that again....

Syn-flex is a high class of glucosamine complex great for joint and cartilage
protection and growth...look it up on internet...

this is what is supposed to be used by vets alot...my bengal is a mess
he will only eat 1 kind of food and and 1 kind of litter any change is
a disaster he will poop on my bed he has a wild streak however, very
sweet with people ... so I can't move him ...I don't have alot of space
and I will be punishing one of them..when I am out this bengal is
crazy..never in my life have I seen a cat like him he chases me around
and screems like a person...

I just feel like i AM GOING CRAZY! I love my crazy bengal but he is
really a mess.. I used to get out of the house just to get away from him
If I told you he won't poop unless I go stand by the littler I know
you would think me nuts...but it is tru.. if I don't he will run all over the
place knocking pictures.. ect.ect...I walk to the little and he goes like
a little truper....I am sending him to Irac They would send him back
in a minute...
Thanks for being there I so appreciate it..your all just wonderful!
SH
post #9 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cirque
I can sense this is a tough time for you and I do not want to "blast" you for trying to help... but please, if you have to keep them seperated or find him a new home where he is the only cat and able to finish growing old in peace.

Did you say the older cat is 25 pounds? Is it possible his weight is the cause of his back legs being a problem?

Is the biting going through his skin and into him or is the bengal just holding onto the scruff of his neck without serious damage, like a cat who wants sex?

Good luck.

Yes I think He might be doing just that..for 10 years..
The older cat loves him they usually sleep rolled up in a ball.
I love them both so much...they are around 6 years apart..and the
older one never bites him back ...he is really submissive


I have just got to find a solution..for this.. no one would put up with
my bengal his habits are horrible..
thanks so much for all your advice
post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hissy
You owe it to your senior cat to provide him a calm environment to grow old in. Is your bengal neutered?


Yes they are both done...
It does look like he is almost trying to mate him sort of walks over him
slow then sniffs and bites his neck... If you new him you would really
like them both...he is sweet to...but for this quirky habit

Ha! the problem is I need a place to grow old !
Sh
post #11 of 19
Hi Tajicat - Please bear with me, I'm trying to understand your situation, so I still have a couple of questions.

In your post (#4), you say something about "nsids caused liver damage". What are "nsids"? Does your Siamese have liver disease, and if so, what kind?

Has it been determined that the Siamese's leg problems are definitely from arthritis?
At 25 lbs. he's a very big boy. Is it possible the legs hurt because of a combination of arthritis and too much weight?

It seems that your main problem isn't your Siamese's health so much as the behavior of your Bengal. Have you had him to the vet to rule out any health problems that might be causing his "crazy" behavior? That's very important and it would be the first thing to do. If the vet doesn't find a medical cause, he may be able to prescribe meds that will calm him and hopefully, will only have to be given temporarily ( I had to do this for one of my cats).

You might post about the problem with your Bengal in the breeders forum. Maybe someone familiar with the breed can shed some light on this for you.

Please let us know what you're able to find out.
post #12 of 19
Bengals are very playful cats even when they are older. It sounds like your bengal probably needs a younger playmate. I know getting a kitten right now might not be an option for you but that might help with all the energy your bengal has, that way he can play with the younger cat and leave the old cat alone. Another suggestion-have you tried to leash train your bengal? Bengals are very eeasy to leash train and if you could take him for a walk every day that will also help you to get some energy out of him. My bengals are not hyper like that so I can't say it's the breed as a whole with this type of problem. I think it's just that particular cat. They are playful cats but that is rediculous. Can I ask, at what age was the bengal seperated from the litter and from the mother?
post #13 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hello,
I am having he worst problem...



I have a 15 year old siamese...and a 10 year old beautiful bengal


This is not a joke...both my cats are fixed..However,
The bengal is constantly trying to mount the older male
it used to be once in a while...but lately

it is more than 6 times a day...he mounts him and
really has what looks like an erection..when I yell at him to leave the other cat alone. and push him off...he yells at me...like he is very annoyed....as the siamese is old now and has bad hind quaters..he can't get him off so he screams for me...and it is driving me crazy...I don't know who to ask as maybe this is a bengal
issue ..

Please have you ever heard of this..?
or might you be able to tell me if this is normal >> AGAIN HE IS FIXED AT 8 MONTHS OF AGE..



I got my cat 10 years ago as a gift...from a friend..
I love him so much but he is really crazy in alot of way.s .you can't imagine won't even move his bowels with out me going to the littler pan with him...he is really nuts..

I am not a crazy person..and take wonderful care of my cats





THIS IS MY BENGAL HE IS Sbt 4 IF THAT MEANS
post #14 of 19
I would take him back to the vets and ask them to run a hormone check. Sometimes (rarely) but they miss and over time the testosterone can build up again. Generally it is more common in the females than the male, but it can happen.
post #15 of 19
Also, it could be that the Bengal is frustrated because his old playing buddy isn't up to playing anymore. Have you thought about getting a younger playmate for the Bengal? Not too young or rambunctious, as he would likely terrorize your older cat, but one say 9-16 months who demonstrates a calm and passive personality (important both to give your older cat some peace and to ease acceptance from your Bengal). I had a 22-year-old cat, and when her 15-year old companion passed, I got a younger cat (9 months). He was great, at first, but then he started getting his jowls and wanted to dominate her (I've noticed that a lot of alpha males seem to get a bug every once in a while to go pounce on another --usually female -- cat). I got him a younger playmate, and whenever he got rough with Lexi I would chase him away screaming, "No! Bad Cat!" and clapping in order to impress upon him that he had to leave her alone (this was the only time I ever acted threatening like this). He seemed to figure it out, and her twilight years were pretty peaceful. I agree that some easily accesible warm little hideouts for your older cat might be a good idea as well.
post #16 of 19
Some times cats that have grown up together or been together a long time are just like any other old married couple-they don't want to admit there is anything wrong with their lifelong pal and keep trying to act like everything is normal, including maybe trying to goad their older sicker playmate into roughhousing like they used to. My two cats used to roll around and fight to the point of tearing out clumps of hair, and hide on each other and ambush each other, with Indy occasionally riding Neko in a dominating sort of way even though they were both neutered female, it was pretty clear who the boss was. Indy stopped playing back about a month ago or more but my black cat kept trying up to the day before I took Indy to have her put down to play with her as usual, jumping her from behind the couch, swatting her on the head as she went by etc. It was only when I brought her home from the vet for that one last night that she really seemed to "get it"-I saw her standing behind Indy, who had not enough energy to walk, just sort of staring at her and sniffing her from a distance, then she walked away and never went near her again.
post #17 of 19
Quick piece of advice. My kitty Diablo is 15 has rear
leg arthritis from old car impact.

I have him on injectible glucosamine (can't take oral) and
Accupunture!! My vet comes to the house to do. Are there
any in your area that do this?

It has worked WONDERS for him. For pain control and mobility.
Also, it is known to help with CRF and other problems.

I also have a heat mat, and give Diablo full body massage
at night.

He gets glucosamine 1 every 4 wks and he gets accupunture
once every 4 weeks.

Note: Non steroidal pain killers (ibuprofen, acetometaphine etc..) should never be given to cats - they lack liver enzymes
and thus can't handle them ... many get liver damage...

For pain, the only reliable thing is to give 1 baby asprin every 3
days - they get one pain free day in 3. Works well. Use this
with vet approval however, and watch for blood clotting problems,
as in humans...

Try giving him his "own" room where mad bengal can't get
to him... (close the door and let him sleep). Get a nice heated
cat bed too...

Hope this helps!
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hi my brother just got me a new bengal kitten 5 months old
thinking my older bengal would play now I have a 3 fold problem

the kitten is a holy terror and got both older cats in a quarry

to top it off the kitten as brought me a present of Girardia..
now all 3 have it after 2 months here as the older guys never had dirr

I am so afraid the treatment might hurt my old 18 year old siamese
and I am freaking out having to pill them all 2 times a day..
do you have any advice how to get this done as I am scared to death
the baby will go nuts..I have been cutting his nails and he fights like
a bob cat..however, he knows it does not hurt..
its the Gireridia I am so concerned about
do you have any suggs..as to pilling with out tooo much stress..
I am alone and am truly freaking out to try to do this..
Thanks so very much in advance..Sherry
post #19 of 19
Tajicat--you'll be more likely to get useful responses if you start another thread with your problems.
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