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post #211 of 233
She's dying, and has been in a persistive vegatative state for 15 years. I think her looking "good" is all relative. When I hear the news saying things like "she's still responding to her parents" I keep thinking "I know it LOOKS like she was/is, but really, she never was." I know that sounds cold... I don't mean it to. It just goes to the heart of this whole battle -- that her parents have never been and still aren't ready to let go.

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ETA: Just a half hour after I wrote that, they were denied a hearing. Come on... how many times do they have to hear no before they focus their attention on saying goodbye to their daughter, instead of continuing to waste time and money?!
This is why I feel sorriest for them. In years to come, when reality sets in, they will regret not spending more time with their daughter and less time in the courts, giving press conferences, maintaining a website, giving speeches and lobbying senators and governors. They should be with their daughter.
post #212 of 233
http://www.indystar.com/articles/2/231000-9492-010.html
I am not sure if this is a repost, sorry if it is. I just want to voice my outrage out how religious people have gotten involved in a person's private life. This women is for all pratical purposes dead. Let it be over and stop trying to impose your viewpoints for all. This man loves his wife, he just wants her to be in peace,so lets respect this and end it. peace to all .
post #213 of 233
CNN has just reported that Terri has died.

May she rest in peace.
post #214 of 233
No matter whether you thought her husband or her parents were right, this is sad. A death is always mourned, or at least should be.

May Terri, Michael, and the Schindlers find peace.
post #215 of 233
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Originally Posted by valanhb
No matter whether you thought her husband or her parents were right, this is sad. A death is always mourned, or at least should be.

May Terri, Michael, and the Schindlers find peace.
Yes, definitely.

CNN is reporting that the parents weren't allowed to be by her side at the end (not sure if it was when she died or just in the morning). And Michael Schiavo is in charge of who gets to be with her. If this is true then maybe he wasn't a good guy after all, you know?
post #216 of 233
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Originally Posted by pinkdaisy226
Yes, definitely.

CNN is reporting that the parents weren't allowed to be by her side at the end (not sure if it was when she died or just in the morning). And Michael Schiavo is in charge of who gets to be with her. If this is true then maybe he wasn't a good guy after all, you know?
Just heard on the radio that apparently one of the spiritual advisors for the Schindlers went out and made an announcement that she was in her final hours. (I presume that didn't go over well with the Schiavo side.) The lawyers were trying to work out something to allow them to all be in the room, and didn't get it done in time.
post #217 of 233
ABC News reported that when it was obvious that Terri was close to death, there was a dispute as to who would be allowed into her room. Negotiations went on between lawyers for the two sides. In the end, Michael Schiavo, being Terri's "guardian" barred Terri's family from being with her in her final minutes. The "loving husband" and all-around good guy right to the end.

Schiavo got his wish (no legal documentation that it was Terri's, only his word) - Terri's gone. Her family endured almost 2 weeks of hell - can you for a moment TRULY imagine the agony of watching your child, your sister, die slowly of dehydration? But that's not enough for Schiavo. He wants Terri cremated and brought to Pennsylvania though the Schindlers want a traditional burial and would like to have a Catholic mass for her. Though clearly there's no love lost between him and the Schindlers, would it really hurt him at this point to defer to the Schindlers' wishes as to how and where Terri should be laid to rest? Has this family not been through enough already?
The Schindlers' clergyman was not at first even allowed to give Terri communion, only the hospice priest could. Bobby Schindler was interviewed last night on ABC, and said that the monsignor was finally allowed to give Terri communion but had to do it while *holding the hand* of the hospice priest in order to make it legal! Schiavo has taken every opportunity during this horror to make things as unpleasant and uncomfortable as possible for Terri's family. I wonder how Terri would feel about her "husband" putting her family, who she was very close to, through all this. Was it really Terri's wish to have her family suffer the way they have?

Schiavo's shenanigans aren't enough - his attorney, Felos, gets into the act. (Interesting man, Felos- he's written how a PVS woman's soul "spoke" to his and "cried out" to be allowed to die) He and his client got what they wanted. Could he keep a low profile now and stand quietly on the sidelines? Not him. He holds a press conference and gives a report about how "he's never seen Mrs. Schiavo have more of a look of peace and beauty upon her" and goes on to describe the lovely atmosphere of her room to try to distract us from the atrocity taking place there. So ladies, forget the moisturizers and facials, give dehydration a try. You'll never look lovelier.

Felos is attempting to improve his client's image by announcing that "Michael wants and has demanded an autopsy". What bullsh*t. The state of Florida makes an autospy *mandatory* before cremation. Felos and Schiavo are despicable.
post #218 of 233
I saw a CNN report that said the parents weren't at the hospice when she died, and hadn't been there since the weekend, because the mother became "physically ill" when she saw Terri, but her brother and sister were there with a priest, and were asked to leave the room ten minutes before she died.
post #219 of 233
Okay I'm not saying that I think he's best guy, because I don't know. And neither do you. Maybe it was selfish of him to want to be with Terri at the end.. but maybe it was selfishness that drove him (I can see why he wouldn't want to be with the parents after all that's been going on).

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Originally Posted by KTLynn
Schiavo got his wish (no legal documentation that it was Terri's, only his word) - Terri's gone.
Yes, there was no legal documentation. But it wasn't JUST his word... it was his word and a few of her friends' words... compared to her parents' words from when she was much younger. If it was just one person vs one person, I doubt the outcome would be the same.

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Originally Posted by KTLynn
Was it really Terri's wish to have her family suffer the way they have?
Was it really her wish to be fought over like this? Was it really her wish to have her parents spend tons of money to file appeal after appeal instead of spending time with her? Was it really her wish to be on camera looking the way she does? I've heard she was a private person, that she wouldn't want all this attention. Who brought all the attention? Certainly not Michael... it was her parents that continued to fight instead of accepting fate and saying goodbye. THEY caused themselves to suffer.

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Originally Posted by KTLynn
He holds a press conference and gives a report about how "he's never seen Mrs. Schiavo have more of a look of peace and beauty upon her" and goes on to describe the lovely atmosphere of her room to try to distract us from the atrocity taking place there.
You have one side saying that her skin is peeling, her lips are bleeding. Felos was saying that was a lie. At the end, the father was saying that she looked good. Obviously someone was lying... she can't be beautiful and have bleeding lips and peeling skin at the same time. And I tend to think it was the parents who were lying... especially because of what the father said at the end.

I don't think Michael is the best guy around. But I think the parents wasted a lot of time and put their daughter in the spotlight when, from all accounts, she probably just wanted to be left alone and die in peace. At the very least, she would not wanted to have been in the middle of a media circus. So the parents aren't perfect either and if you're going to point fingers at someone, point them at everyone.
post #220 of 233
It seems that we as a nation are becoming a “throw away†society. We “throw away†our pets, our unborn children, our disabled who can not speak for themselves. What is next? Will it come down to getting rid of anything and anyone who is not a fully useful part of society? What has happened to the compassion, ethics, morals and the conscience of our nation?

I hope Terri is at peace and that her parents and family are at least able to have a funeral mass to help them find some sort of closure.

I just saw a report on the news that everyone was barred from the room, even the doctors that were in the middle of a examination of her condition were told to leave. Only the "husband" was with her, he made sure of that.
post #221 of 233
Ari, you have a right to your perception of the Schiavo situation. I don't happen to agree with it.

We can go on all day about who said what - you say Terri's friends corroborated what Schaivo says. I've heard that actually it was Schaivo's brother and sister-in-law who backed him up. Terri's friends say she would not have wanted to die. As they say, we can agree to disagree.

There is, however, one incontrovertible fact in this case. Terri was sentenced to die on hearsay evidence. This type of evidence is inadmissable in many courts. When we're making decisions about life and death, hearsay evidence is not, and should never be, enough.

It still amazes me when people criticize the Schindlers for filing appeals. When you're a parent, you fight for your child. Whether they were misguided or not, the Schindlers believed that Terri had a chance to be rehabilitated, but was not given the opportunity for most of the past 15 years. If the state of Florida were trying to execute my child by dehydration, you'd better believe I'd be screaming about it to anyone who'd listen to me, even if that meant taking my private pain public.

As for Terri's appearance after more than a week without food or water ... does anyone with common sense really think that Terri looked beautiful? Her mom was so horrified at Terri's appearance that she got physically sick. I believe her dad was trying hard to hold on to the hope that there would be a successful last minute appeal. He tried to be as positive as possible about Terri's strength, her will to live, even her appearance, though in his heart he surely knew how much she was deteriorating.

Too many people have projected their own feelings on this case - *they* wouldn't want to live like Terri, she had "no quality of life", etc. Therefore we should "let her go". But Terri wasn't *going* anywhere - she wasn't dying. To "let her go", she had to be killed. Our government has killed a helpless, disabled woman by letting her dehydrate to death, and that should be horrifying to everyone, no matter what your opinion about Terri's condition.
post #222 of 233
Very well said, 8cats.
post #223 of 233
Amen!
catlover, not ALL religious people are involved and think her death is a travesty. I consider myself to be a good Christian, and I think it would be cruel to keep her alive as a vegetable. No one would want to be kept alive on machines like that.

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Originally Posted by catlover7731
http://www.indystar.com/articles/2/231000-9492-010.html
I am not sure if this is a repost, sorry if it is. I just want to voice my outrage out how religious people have gotten involved in a person's private life. This women is for all pratical purposes dead. Let it be over and stop trying to impose your viewpoints for all. This man loves his wife, he just wants her to be in peace,so lets respect this and end it. peace to all .
post #224 of 233
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Originally Posted by batgirl2good
Amen!
catlover, not ALL religious people are involved and think her death is a travesty. I consider myself to be a good Christian, and I think it would be cruel to keep her alive as a vegetable. No one would want to be kept alive on machines like that.
She was NOT kept alive by machines.
post #225 of 233
I thought she died when they took her off of the feeding tubes, etc. Is that not a machine?
In any case, i would not choose to live that way, being hooked up to feeding tubes, etc. She was and had been brain dead.
IMO, that is no way to live.

I have a living will stating that I do NOT want any feeding tubes, etc.
I choose to die before living a non-life, and in my opinion, she was not really living.

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Originally Posted by elizwithcat
She was NOT kept alive by machines.
post #226 of 233
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Originally Posted by batgirl2good
I thought she died when they took her off of the feeding tubes, etc. Is that not a machine?
In any case, i would not choose to live that way, being hooked up to feeding tubes, etc. She was and had been brain dead.
IMO, that is no way to live.

I have a living will stating that I do NOT want any feeding tubes, etc.
I choose to die before living a non-life, and in my opinion, she was not really living.

I watched my sis-in-laws 14 yr old Nephew in that state for some 9 years, the first time I went and saw him I bawled for all I really remembered of him was when he was a toddler with curley hair, I was just Heartbroken, I had to leave the room. And some 9 years like that never haven gotten any better, he couldn't even hardely move. could not eat, not speak, wore diapers, he died, and I actually felt releived for him, because I felt he had died some 9 years before, it's very sad and I know if it were someone you Loved Dearly perhaps one would feel differant.
post #227 of 233
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Originally Posted by batgirl2good
I thought she died when they took her off of the feeding tubes, etc. Is that not a machine?
In any case, i would not choose to live that way, being hooked up to feeding tubes, etc. She was and had been brain dead.
IMO, that is no way to live.

I have a living will stating that I do NOT want any feeding tubes, etc.
I choose to die before living a non-life, and in my opinion, she was not really living.
Feeding tube is not a machine. It's a tube, and it works by gravity.
She also wasn't brain dead. Brain dead people do not breathe on their own, and she did.
She also didn't have a living will stating anything. Her husband said that is what she would have wanted, but considering he has a girlfreind and two kids, I don't believe anything he said.
post #228 of 233
I don't like him, either, but I feel sorry for her, as she was. That would be no way to live. Maybe it was ok with her, though.

I just hope she is at peace.

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Originally Posted by elizwithcat
Feeding tube is not a machine. It's a tube, and it works by gravity.
She also wasn't brain dead. Brain dead people do not breathe on their own, and she did.
She also didn't have a living will stating anything. Her husband said that is what she would have wanted, but considering he has a girlfreind and two kids, I don't believe anything he said.
post #229 of 233
My identical twin sister died in 1990 with cancer. It was horrible watching her in the state she was in, towards the end. I prayed for her to die and be at peace, in heaven. It only lasted a few months, and I cannot imagine how hard it would be to watch it for years.

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Originally Posted by halfpint
I watched my sis-in-laws 14 yr old Nephew in that state for some 9 years, the first time I went and saw him I bawled for all I really remembered of him was when he was a toddler with curley hair, I was just Heartbroken, I had to leave the room. And some 9 years like that never haven gotten any better, he couldn't even hardely move. could not eat, not speak, wore diapers, he died, and I actually felt releived for him, because I felt he had died some 9 years before, it's very sad and I know if it were someone you Loved Dearly perhaps one would feel differant.
post #230 of 233
I agree with you. I cannot imagine anyone wanting to live like she was "living." I cannot imagine any parents wanting their child to be in the vegetative state she was in. To me, she was not really living; she was merely existing. She was being kept alive.
I would not want anyone whom I loved to be in the state that she was in. It would be selfish to want to have someone existing in that state.

I am sure there are people who would want to be kept alive in her state; I am not one of them. I would not want anyone whom I loved to have to see me like that, and I would never want anyone to spend thousands of dollars keeping me alive.

She is at peace now.
I hope she is happy and is in a beautiful place.


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Originally Posted by pinkdaisy226
Yes, there was no legal documentation. But it wasn't JUST his word... it was his word and a few of her friends' words... compared to her parents' words from when she was much younger. If it was just one person vs one person, I doubt the outcome would be the same.



Was it really her wish to be fought over like this? Was it really her wish to have her parents spend tons of money to file appeal after appeal instead of spending time with her? Was it really her wish to be on camera looking the way she does? I've heard she was a private person, that she wouldn't want all this attention. Who brought all the attention? Certainly not Michael... it was her parents that continued to fight instead of accepting fate and saying goodbye. THEY caused themselves to suffer.



You have one side saying that her skin is peeling, her lips are bleeding. Felos was saying that was a lie. At the end, the father was saying that she looked good. Obviously someone was lying... she can't be beautiful and have bleeding lips and peeling skin at the same time. And I tend to think it was the parents who were lying... especially because of what the father said at the end.

I don't think Michael is the best guy around. But I think the parents wasted a lot of time and put their daughter in the spotlight when, from all accounts, she probably just wanted to be left alone and die in peace. At the very least, she would not wanted to have been in the middle of a media circus. So the parents aren't perfect either and if you're going to point fingers at someone, point them at everyone.
post #231 of 233
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Originally Posted by batgirl2good
I don't like him, either, but I feel sorry for her, as she was. That would be no way to live. Maybe it was ok with her, though.

I just hope she is at peace.
That's no way to die either. Being starved and dehydrated-we would go to prison if we did it to our cats. Why, if the goal is for her to die, she couldn't have been given a lethal injection? Removing her feeding tube was going to kill her, everyone knew that. How hypocritical it is to make her to die slowly, when there are means to end it fast?
post #232 of 233
You are right.
I think that it would have been better to let her die years ago.
I would rather be starved to death than to have a feeding tube and to have been lying like a vegetable for 15 years. That is just my preference.


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Originally Posted by elizwithcat
That's no way to die either. Being starved and dehydrated-we would go to prison if we did it to our cats. Why, if the goal is for her to die, she couldn't have been given a lethal injection? Removing her feeding tube was going to kill her, everyone knew that. How hypocritical it is to make her to die slowly, when there are means to end it fast?
post #233 of 233
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Originally Posted by batgirl2good
My identical twin sister died in 1990 with cancer. It was horrible watching her in the state she was in, towards the end. I prayed for her to die and be at peace, in heaven. It only lasted a few months, and I cannot imagine how hard it would be to watch it for years.
I am so very sorry Batgirl.
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