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Fester Made The Newspaper!

post #1 of 26
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Hey Gang!
Fester made the local newspaper again and I didn't make anyone mad, wasn't arrested, indicted, suspected or named as "a person of interest".
You'll like this one, TRUST ME.

http://epilot.hamptonroads.com/Repos...500&ChunkNum=0
post #2 of 26
Oh Jimmy! That's wonderful!
post #3 of 26
That's great that adoptions are up.

Hopefully at some point they will be able to spay/neuter the animals prior to them going into homes.

Katie
post #4 of 26
That's pretty neat -!
post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TNR1
That's great that adoptions are up.

Hopefully at some point they will be able to spay/neuter the animals prior to them going into homes.

Katie
Donate a Vet Clinic and/or the money to open one or provide this service and we'll be happy to, until then the best we can do is the $10.00 off certificate for spay/neuter services at the Norfolk SPCA.
With the rebate we already offer, the service will cost all of about $5.00 on a male cat, maybe 10 or 15 on a female.
There aren't many better deals around.

If you have any better ideas on how we can accomplish this without the money it would cost, I'd love to hear it.
If you look at the demographics and average medium income of the City of Portsmouth and the lack of major corporate sponsorship, I'd say that taking even the smallest steps forward is still heading in the right direction.

You know Katie, getting them out the front door with a new owner and a chance at a happy life is still preferable to sending them out the back door in plastic bags.
post #6 of 26
Very nice article..well done!
post #7 of 26
Terrific, Jimmy - congratulations! It must be a great feeling to know that your hard work has made such a difference. So how come you're not up for adoption?
post #8 of 26
Uh-oh, Tricia! You know there are a lot a folks here who would adopt Jimmy!

Way to go, Jimmy!
post #9 of 26
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fester
You know Katie, getting them out the front door with a new owner and a chance at a happy life is still preferable to sending them out the back door in plastic bags.
You see a dog going home...I see a potential breeder....both sides of that thinking are true. If you noticed...I said...hopefully at some point the dogs and cats will be fixed before going to homes. I believe that is a respectful way to express my concern. Does the shelter at least do follow ups and ensure that every dog/cat/kitten and puppy adopted are fixed?? Is the compliance rate 100%?? A great deal on spaying/neutering isn't truly a deal if it isn't being used.

I agree...increased adoptions is fabulous..especially since we are still euthanizing around 60,000 dogs and 70,000 cats. However, if the goal is to impact the numbers of animals that come into the shelter..then certainly spaying/neutering prior to adoption is a goal that is worthy to pursue.

Katie

BTW..this is my pet peeve in general regarding Virginia shelters and rescues that do not spay/neuter prior to adoption. Even the rescue group I volunteer with used to give out spay certificates (the spay/neuter was covered as part of the fee)...however we found that even people with the best intentions have things that happen to them....their cat gets out prior to being spayed, gets pregnant and then they would bring this now pregnant cat back to us to place. That is why we now spay/neuter every animal before it is placed.

And just a personal story....my friend adopted her cat from a local shelter under a spay contract...before she finally got it fixed...her cat had a total of 6 litters. She had no follow up call from the shelter. 2 of the kittens from her 5th litter are now my 2 cats (yes..they are fixed). If I had known about the overpopulation..I would have taken this cat to the vet myself. This is part of why I'm passionate about spaying/neutering.
post #10 of 26
Fantastic, Jimmy! Congratulations!
post #11 of 26
gee Jimmy looks just like ya!

You did a good thing here, and I am glad you were acknowledged for it-
post #12 of 26
Thread Starter 
Well Katie, it seems to me like you're long on complaints and short, very short on solutions.
Spaying and Neutering cost money.
Vet's to perform the operations cost money.
Medical Supplies cost money.
People to care for all these post-op animals cost money.
We're at our manpower limits and our Volunteers are doing all they can.

To spay and neuter EVERY pet that we have adopted would cost, even at a modest fee of $40.00 would cost us TWICE what the entire yearly budget for the entire shelter is.
Add to this the extra care these animals would require and the people we would need to accomplish this, I would ask How are we going to make payroll, insurance, utilities and other expenses?

What do you suggest, Katie? We have no magic wand to wave and make the problem disappear.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how we cough up the over $114,000 it would cost to alter all these pets before all of our other expenses are even addressed when our shelter's entire annual budget is just a shade over $50,000.00.

Our follow-up could be better, but in all fairness it has improved a great deal and is far and away better than it once was.
Perhaps we could forward you the phone numbers of all the people who have adopted from us and you could do our follow-ups, Lord knows you'd make them want to get the animal altered.

You know Katie, the Director and I are doing the best we can with what we have to work with, as time goes on, we're getting better and learning together.
However, if our learning curve means that a few get out the door and their offspring come back, we'll just keep trying until we find a solution that does work within our means.
That's where the good relationship we are cultivating with our local rescues is coming in handy, they're helping us and we're helping them.
Sure, it'd be nice if we had the resources to alter every animal that we take in but until we do, all we can do is the best we can.
I'm sorry that isn't enough to satisfy you.
post #13 of 26
well done. great article
post #14 of 26
I'm sorry we cannot have a civil discussion on this topic. To say that I am long in complaints and very short in solutions implies that I haven't been reaching out to the various groups and individuals I know to see if they can assist you (which is what I have been doing since my initial post). Or that I'm not doing all I can in my area to be part of the solution....from volunteering to fostering to running my website to answering ads to helping people rehome animals to educating people about TNR to participating in monthly TNR clinics. I do contribute monthly to spaying/neutering..both towards shelters and TNR groups.

I realize there are no magic wands. I know you are doing all you can. I could certainly perform follow up calls for the Humane Society if you believe that would help. I would have to fit that in between some of the other calls and emails that I make daily (follow ups for adoptions, rehome and TNR questions)...but I could certainly find time.

Katie
post #15 of 26
Woah woah woah! Katie's right - the ideal situation would be for every animal adopted out from shelters to already be spayed or neutered. In fact, studies show that when that does happen the number of animals both in the front and "out the back" door goes down dramatically. That's why some places are making it a law.

Of course, in the microcosm of a single shelter, Jimmy is right too. Money is always an issue. It may not be possible at this point in time for this particular organization. However, I don't think that should preclude the shelter from having that goal of desexing all animal prior to adoption. And that's all Katie was suggestion, from what I read.
post #16 of 26
And isn't Katie in the area? If she can do follow-up calls I can think of no one more persuasive to do this and encourage those who adopt out to spay and neuter. She is queen of research in this community and I can only imagine that her skills in real life equal what she has shown us here.
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by hissy
And isn't Katie in the area? If she can do follow-up calls I can think of no one more persuasive to do this and encourage those who adopt out to spay and neuter. She is queen of research in this community and I can only imagine that her skills in real life equal what she has shown us here.
MA...thanks for the vote of confidence...this shelter is actually South of me (like several hours drive south)...so I wouldn't be able to go to the homes of those who hadn't complied to perform in person follow ups...but I can certainly free up a volunteer's time by doing the initial calls.

Katie
post #18 of 26
I'm not sure if this suggestion would be helpful, but I'll make it anyway. I'm a member of a cat rescue organization that definitely doesn't have the money to neuter all the cats and kittens it seeks homes for. What it does is have all adopters sign a contract requiring proof of inoculations, neutering and tattooing/microchipping within a month for adult cats, and by the age of six months for kittens. The organization retains "title" to the cats until such proof is given, and removes cats from any homes where the requirements haven't been met. That can entail legal fees, but most adopters abide by the contracts. Basically, the organization is the legal owner of the cats until they've been inoculated, neutered, and chipped. The contracts also require that the cats be returned to the organization should the new owner not be able to keep the cat for any reason whatsoever.
post #19 of 26
Nice article. I often wonder if those truckstops and motels know just what that follically challenged guy is really doing on his PC in those wee hours.. Grin.. It shows that some of us talk (me most of the time) and some of us do. Jimmy definitely is in the "do" category but he occassionally lapses into retort mode.

Anything that improves the ability of a shelter to place animals for adoption is a plus. While it isn't 100% effective, the compliance rates and follow up cases are improving. Both the shelter I left and the operation I now work for CRIMINALLY prosecute violators. The Peninsula SPCA has near 99% compliance with this through a combination of pre-release S/N, cooperative agreements with local vets, and some really amazing staff who spend a great deal of time calling and dealing with deadbeats! As for the "spat", Jimmy's got a point & so does Katie. Someone bury the hatchet (preferably not in my pointy head) and get one with what we all do best -helping the lot of animals in whatever way we can.

And Mark steps down off his soapbox and goes back to lurking in the dimly lit webspace he calls his den....
post #20 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Kumpf
Nice article. I often wonder if those truckstops and motels know just what that follically challenged guy is really doing on his PC in those wee hours.. Grin.. It shows that some of us talk (me most of the time) and some of us do. Jimmy definitely is in the "do" category but he occassionally lapses into retort mode.

Anything that improves the ability of a shelter to place animals for adoption is a plus. While it isn't 100% effective, the compliance rates and follow up cases are improving. Both the shelter I left and the operation I now work for CRIMINALLY prosecute violators. The Peninsula SPCA has near 99% compliance with this through a combination of pre-release S/N, cooperative agreements with local vets, and some really amazing staff who spend a great deal of time calling and dealing with deadbeats! As for the "spat", Jimmy's got a point & so does Katie. Someone bury the hatchet (preferably not in my pointy head) and get one with what we all do best -helping the lot of animals in whatever way we can.

And Mark steps down off his soapbox and goes back to lurking in the dimly lit webspace he calls his den....
Mark...good to see you posting. Yes...I believe that the hachet is buried. My offer still stands to make phone calls....however the enforcement will have to be left to someone else. BTW..good to hear about the Peninsula SPCA.

Katie
post #21 of 26
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To be quite honest, I don't get to the shelter much at all. I left out from home on February 8th and won't be home until sometime around mid-May.
I do however think that Katie is missing the point of the article.
What I hoped to accomplish was to call attention to the fact that the Portsmouth Humane Society exists and that we do have animals up for adoption and the cost is very reasonable.
I didn't even know that the Portsmouth Humane Society was there until I stumbled across their old site.
I wanted to let the public know that they could visit our site, learn more about the issues and help us in any of the myrriad ways that are available to help and that there were resources that we had made available for animal lovers.
We've got a lot on our site to offer and I'm working on more. More is GOOD.

I've also bee twisting the arms of friends and business associates to get them to help the shelter, too.
I also make them the promise that "If you just give me what I'm asking for, I'll leave you alone!"
That tends to motivate them, although I'm sure I don't know why
My neighbor who does home improvements recently fixed the roof at cost.
The guy who painted the interior of my house is going to paint the interior of the shelter and charge us nothing, all we have to buy is the paint and supplies and I have to build him a website for his painting business.
I think that's fair.

The issues that Katie brings up are not "Jimmy" problems.
"Jimmy" problems are those involving the website and scrounging for goods, services, supplies and information.
I can't get everything I'm after, but I keep trying in the limited time I have available at home.

As I 've told you before Katie, the person you need to address your concerns to is the Director and she can discuss them with you-railing me, as you did the LAST time we discussed this accomplished and will accomplish nothing.

Believe me, if there was a program, HTML code or JAVA appellet that I could imbed in the website that would make all these things happen, don't you think I would have already done it?
When they come out with an "alter-your-pet our your hard-drive dies" program, I promise that I'll slap my Gold Mastercard on the counter and upload it to our site THAT DAY. After I finish drooling over it.

What those of us in the animal welfare community sometimes forget is, we can't do everything by ourselves.
Some excel at fundraising, others excel at animal care and behavior, while some are at their best doing other things that support those on the "front lines".

My job is to promote the site, get people, funds and support into the shelter and lower the euthanaisia rate.
Everything else beyond that isn't my area of expertiese<sp>, neither is spelling.

I do what I can, as many of us but I don't have all the answers, I can't change all the policies and I can't underwrite all the things that I'd like to see happen.

However since the Wife split, more funds and time has become available to me and the fat-man doesn't have to waste a day doing the Busch Gardens Death-March anymore.
post #22 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Fester
I do however think that Katie is missing the point of the article.
What I hoped to accomplish was to call attention to the fact that the Portsmouth Humane Society exists and that we do have animals up for adoption and the cost is very reasonable.
I didn't even know that the Portsmouth Humane Society was there until I stumbled across their old site.
I wanted to let the public know that they could visit our site, learn more about the issues and help us in any of the myrriad ways that are available to help and that there were resources that we had made available for animal lovers.
We've got a lot on our site to offer and I'm working on more. More is GOOD.

As I 've told you before Katie, the person you need to address your concerns to is the Director and she can discuss them with you-railing me, as you did the LAST time we discussed this accomplished and will accomplish nothing.
My job is to promote the site, get people, funds and support into the shelter and lower the euthanaisia rate.
Everything else beyond that isn't my area of expertiese<sp>, neither is spelling.

I do what I can, as many of us but I don't have all the answers, I can't change all the policies and I can't underwrite all the things that I'd like to see happen.
In response...Katie did not miss the point of the article (why I have to refer to myself in third person is beyond me)...I simply stated (in 1 line no less) my hope that one day this shelter would begin to spay/neuter ahead of time. That was it. When you questioned me...I explained why I had concerns. When you said "why don't you make follow up phone calls"..I agreed to do that. If your goal is to reduce the euthanization rate...then spaying/neutering plays a key role and my question was legitimate.

If you want to pass on my offer to the director...go right ahead...but otherwise...I'm through with this post as I don't need anymore defensive retorts.

Katie
post #23 of 26
Thread Starter 
We covered this real estate months ago, Katie. Yet here we are again.

I had hoped to share a little good news with everyone and yet you insisted on finding the negative-again.
post #24 of 26
Busch Gardens Death March? I like Busch Gardens. My favorite ride is the Train followed by The Festhaus. Gotta have those priorities in order. Come to think of it, maybe its time to see what they do with all those towels and cameras that are abandoned at the park and Water Country each year. I am sure some shelter could use those unclaimed items for good use. Jimmy, I task you with a new mission oh King of Scrounge - as you journey around the country, find out how we can get these giants of entertainment (and apparent death march facilitators) to part with some of their loot.
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by Mark Kumpf
Jimmy, I task you with a new mission oh King of Scrounge - as you journey around the country, find out how we can get these giants of entertainment (and apparent death march facilitators) to part with some of their loot.
Yea, I drive almost 15,000 miles and she wanted to take the fat-man out and walk him.
That's real smart and with all those spoiled kids whining, I know it's hard to believe, but I can easily lose my cheriub-like demeanor.

For the celebrity bucks, you might ask your girlfriend over at PETA, Ingrid about that.
She seems to make enough by lying to these "artiest" types and getting large checks that make them feel all warm and fuzzy after writing them.

I don't hob-knob with the rich and famous, I just deliver their toilet paper.

Wasting taxpayer time again Mark?
post #26 of 26
Nope, this actually counts as research hence my requests for information. Want cat-stuff - Ask cat people! Now talking to you might be considered a waste by some but I look at it as getting inside the mind (albeit slight twisted, demented, and opinionated) of one faction in the community. And as for the donations, I'm not looking for MONEY - I want towels and other abandoned items. Much more mundane and less likely to attract the celebrity types.

You, lose your cherub like demeanor, naaaaawwww. I have this vision of a brightly attired park attendant running up to you and asking "where's your lightbulb?" A little walking never hurt anyone but I will send in a request for "Trucker trails" to be added so that your rig and travel through the park without being hindered by citizens. Kinda like one of the electric wheelchairs on STEROIDS!

Just joshin ya! Stay safe out there. From what I understand Wallyworld wants you to drive 16 hours instead of the 11 or so you are supposed to be able to drive now.
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