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post #31 of 55
They are saying he turned in a CD with one of his communications to the police/TV station. He didn't format the disk properly? In other words, he didn't erase the information he thought he was erasing. The information was retrieved by a computer geek (God love 'em! ). The name of his church came up, so they went from there.

From what I've heard, they didn't get his daughter's DNA until after they had arrested him.

I found this Crime and Justice forum the other night. The people on there are listing links, pictures, and local information. It's worth a closer look if you're interested.

http://p216.ezboard.com/fcrimeandjustice13552frm100

Also, here is a link to the local TV station KAKE in Wichita, Kansas. You can watch local videos from their newscasts. It's a huge story there.
http://www.kake.com/
mrsd
post #32 of 55
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Originally Posted by mrsd
Also, here is a link to the local TV station KAKE in Wichita, Kansas. You can watch local videos from their newscasts. It's a huge story there.
http://www.kake.com/
mrsd
It's a huge story there, sure, but I think it's a huge story at KAKE because he was contacting them directly, sending them things and so on.

I don't understand though... someone mentioned thinking that it seemed like he wanted to get caught, but on his own terms. That's kind of what I was thinking... that it sounds like he wanted to get caught by all the bragging he did... but at the same time, maybe it was just that, bragging... trying to get people to notice what he did.

Do you (and I mean generally all you readers) think that he wanted to get caught because he knew what he was doing was wrong, or that he just wanted the attention? Obviously not being serial killers, we could never understand what one thinks but it seems to me strange.

I'd like to add that he got caught on my bday. So it was a good day all around.
post #33 of 55
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Originally Posted by pinkdaisy226

Do you (and I mean generally all you readers) think that he wanted to get caught because he knew what he was doing was wrong, or that he just wanted the attention? Obviously not being serial killers, we could never understand what one thinks but it seems to me strange.

I'd like to add that he got caught on my bday. So it was a good day all around.
I think its most likely that after years of not being in the spotlight and not hearing anyone talk about BTK, he had to do something to get back into the limelight
post #34 of 55
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Originally Posted by SharonKay
I think its most likely that after years of not being in the spotlight and not hearing anyone talk about BTK, he had to do something to get back into the limelight
That's what I kind of was thinking too... do you think he's maybe kicking himself now though?
post #35 of 55
Yeah I think that the spot light appears to be key with these guys.
post #36 of 55
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Originally Posted by pinkdaisy226
Do you (and I mean generally all you readers) think that he wanted to get caught because he knew what he was doing was wrong, or that he just wanted the attention? Obviously not being serial killers, we could never understand what one thinks but it seems to me strange.
Funny you should ask that... I just read a story on CNN about that very subject:

Experts: Serials killers crave power.

and

Ex-FBI Profiler: BTK Killer wanted to be in limelight again.
post #37 of 55
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Originally Posted by Marge
Does anyone know how they caught him? I know DNA was used but someone must have tipped them off?

For some reason (they won't say) they got his daughter's DNA and after running tests, they realized that she was related to BTK.


He also used the Otero family's address for one of his communication letters.
post #38 of 55
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Originally Posted by sofiecusion
For some reason (they won't say) they got his daughter's DNA and after running tests, they realized that she was related to BTK.


He also used the Otero family's address for one of his communication letters.
Who is the Otero family?
post #39 of 55
They were the first victims... the father, mother and 2 of their 4 children were killed.

Right?
post #40 of 55
Right. Jan. 15, 1974: Joseph Otero, 38, and his wife, Julie, 34, are strangled in their home along with two of their children, Josephine, 11, and Joseph II, 9.
post #41 of 55
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Originally Posted by mrsd
Right. Jan. 15, 1974: Joseph Otero, 38, and his wife, Julie, 34, are strangled in their home along with two of their children, Josephine, 11, and Joseph II, 9.
Which leads me to ask... seriously, they named the first two kids Josephine and Joseph? C'mon!

Sorry to get off topic, it was bugging me!
post #42 of 55
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Originally Posted by pinkdaisy226
Which leads me to ask... seriously, they named the first two kids Josephine and Joseph? C'mon!

Sorry to get off topic, it was bugging me!
Well, at least you're content while bugged. The older siblings are named Charlie, Danny, and Carmen. They were 15, 14 and 13 at the time of the crime.
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by mrsd
Well, at least you're content while bugged. The older siblings are named Charlie, Danny, and Carmen. They were 15, 14 and 13 at the time of the crime.
Which makes me wonder about why they gave up on being creative with the names...

Anyway, back to the topic at hand... but I don't have anything to add. Hmm...
post #44 of 55
Maybe they thought Jospehine was going to be a boy and had already decided on the name, Joseph. When she was born? Uh-oh. Never giving up on the dream, they named the next child--a boy--Joseph. mrsd's theory. Probably wrong.

Here is a picture of Carmen and Charlie Otero.

post #45 of 55
I remember what I was going to add a while ago:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/01/bt...ord/index.html

How horrible would this be, to know that at 5 years old you let in a guy who killed not only your mother but so many others? So sad.
post #46 of 55
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Originally Posted by pinkdaisy226
Do you (and I mean generally all you readers) think that he wanted to get caught because he knew what he was doing was wrong, or that he just wanted the attention? Obviously not being serial killers, we could never understand what one thinks but it seems to me strange.

I'd like to add that he got caught on my bday. So it was a good day all around.
I think this is one of the most frequent misconceptions that comes up whenever a serial killer is in the media. It often leads to the weak arguement that deep down they are sorry for what they have done or that they feel guilt, but that's way off. They don't want to get caught. They are evil and love what they are doing. They want to show how clever they are and reassure themselves by making a connection. That's the first motive in taunting families, the police and/or the media. The attention and fame attached to that is secondary and some of them still don't even like that.
post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by Hydroaxe
... They don't want to get caught. They are evil and love what they are doing. They want to show how clever they are and reassure themselves by making a connection. That's the first motive in taunting families, the police and/or the media. The attention and fame attached to that is secondary and some of them still don't even like that.
I agree, they don't want to get caught. But this guy did want to be in the news. He specifically asked how many more people he would have to kill to make the news.
post #48 of 55
I re-read Patricia Cornwell's "Jack the Ripper - Case Closed" this week, and without getting into its merits or lack thereof, I have to say that she included many "Ripper letters" that I hadn't seen before, and his desire to be in the limelight was quite clear. BTK's letters are quite reminiscent of them.
post #49 of 55
Haven't they determined that there was only one authentic Ripper letter, the one sent to the head of the vigilante citizens that included the kidney and was addressed "From Hell"? Maybe there's something new I'm not aware of, though. I thought they had determined that almost all of the Jack the Ripper letters were fabrications by the media to keep the story in the newspapers because it raised circulation when there was a story about the murders.

BTK reminds me much more of Zodiac, who made a point of contacting the police and the press to keep his name "in lights" as it were. Made horrible threats, like taking out a school bus full of kids, that were worse than the killings he actually did. Interesting enough, he started in the 1960s and hasn't ever been arrested...
post #50 of 55
Some books say that three Ripper letters were authentic, including the "Mr. Lusk" one, but Cornwell makes the point that "her" suspect, Walter Sickert, was a professional artist, and experts' analyses show that some of the Ripper letters were actually "painted", and that "doodles" on them seem to have been made by the same person. I think she may be right that more than a few of the letters stemmed from one author, most probably the culprit. I'm not at all convinced that Sickert was the perp, but her book brings up some very interesting points, and she isn't the first to suspect Sickert. His art is very alarming - even if he wasn't Jack the Ripper, he seemed to get off on the murders.

This is really off the wall, but I wonder where Rader was before the BTK murders in Wichita? It's difficult to believe that the Zodiac Killer simply stopped.
post #51 of 55
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Originally Posted by jcat
Some books say that three Ripper letters were authentic, including the "Mr. Lusk" one, but Cornwell makes the point that "her" suspect, Walter Sickert, was a professional artist, and experts' analyses show that some of the Ripper letters were actually "painted", and that "doodles" on them seem to have been made by the same person. I think she may be right that more than a few of the letters stemmed from one author, most probably the culprit. I'm not at all convinced that Sickert was the perp, but her book brings up some very interesting points, and she isn't the first to suspect Sickert. His art is very alarming - even if he wasn't Jack the Ripper, he seemed to get off on the murders.

This is really off the wall, but I wonder where Rader was before the BTK murders in Wichita? It's difficult to believe that the Zodiac Killer simply stopped.
That isn't so nutty Tricia, I mean he fits the physical description of Zodiac. And all that stopped in the 70's.
post #52 of 55
I wonder how much he's telling/confessing to the police? And if any of it can be believed?
post #53 of 55
I guess my head has been stuck in the sand, because I have never heard of the BTK killer either. What does the "BTK" stand for???
post #54 of 55
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The return address on the letter said it was from Bill Thomas Killman — initials BTK
How creepy. Was this a real name?? How ironic to have a last name of "Killman".
post #55 of 55
BTK stands for Bind, Torture, Kill. He gave himself the moniker. His real name is Dennis Rader.
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