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post #1 of 18
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http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/s...=516740&page=1

It's funny, the WH is nervous about the release of these tapes of Bush conversations from before he was elected, but they make me like him a little bit better, but it may be a problem for some of his base so who cares about me? For instance he admits drug usage, talks of how to please his base but not discriminate about gays...

ut oh though for those right wing Christians who voted for him!
post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by Marge
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/s...=516740&page=1

ut oh though for those right wing Christians who voted for him!


LOL Marge...Happy President's Day Georgie!
post #3 of 18
I heard snippets of them. Like the one where he says he won't admit publicly to using drugs because of the impact it could have for youth. I'm going to look them up tomorrow and form better judgement. I think these could be great fun!
post #4 of 18
For President's Day, is it alright to honor PAST presidents but not current ones?
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
For President's Day, is it alright to honor PAST presidents but not current ones?
well put
post #6 of 18
This article has a few more details: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb20.html
He does seem a bit more sympathethic now. What he said about gays and his being a sinner is interesting, and may very well upset some of his supporters.
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by jcat
This article has a few more details: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb20.html
He does seem a bit more sympathethic now. What he said about gays and his being a sinner is interesting, and may very well upset some of his supporters.
Of course he's more seemingly sympathetic now that everyone is watching his every move. That's politics!
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by jcat
This article has a few more details: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Feb20.html
He does seem a bit more sympathethic now. What he said about gays and his being a sinner is interesting, and may very well upset some of his supporters.
Right what is ironic is those who didn't support him will like him better cause of this, many who did will have problems.

What is fascinating to me is we forget how politics is all about strategy. Not what you believe, but what people think you believe, and who to mislead etc. See his planning etc. I am not just saying it's him, although forgive me the right does it more than the left (why do you think they keep getting elected? You gotta screw someone...)

For instance Reagan really courted the evangelicals at the opt time cause they were angry at Carter for being soft on gays at a family
summit etc. and then when elected he turned his back on them. And they were really mad about Sandra Day OConnor. So Bush did the same thing, although I do know he answers the Evangelicals phone calls, Reagan wasn't even doing that. In fact if the Dems hadn't run someone as liberal as Mondale in 84 Reagan might have lost.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by Marge
What is fascinating to me is we forget how politics is all about strategy. Not what you believe, but what people think you believe, and who to mislead etc.
Has anybody ever seen "The War Room", a documentary about Clinton's first campaign? That was illustrative of this point, too. There's this huge "machine" behind the candidate, planning every little move, what impression is to be conveyed, etc..
post #10 of 18
I have little faith in almost ALL politicians. While I definitely support one party 110% over another (because of their platforms of promoting civil rights, social services, and helping the environment), I believe that it has been proven that most politicians (from ALL parties) will say whatever their constituents want to hear to get elected, then forget about half of their "promises." Made me change my mind at an early age about pursuing a job in politics...
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by ugaimes
I have little faith in almost ALL politicians. While I definitely support one party 110% over another (because of their platforms of promoting civil rights, social services, and helping the environment), I believe that it has been proven that most politicians (from ALL parties) will say whatever their constituents want to hear to get elected, then forget about half of their "promises." Made me change my mind at an early age about pursuing a job in politics...
Even though there is a lot of spill over yeah I think we need to focus on party platform more than the person, and also who they will surround themselves with.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Marge
Even though there is a lot of spill over yeah I think we need to focus on party platform more than the person, and also who they will surround themselves with.
Agreed...and I completely support my party's platform and finding wonderful candidates in every way I can!
post #13 of 18
The way I understand it, JFK did drugs also. Supposidly he was on some pretty strong "speed" and I am not sure what else during some of his term. I am just glad Bush won't be running for a third term :P
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I hope america will end up having a better president one day...
because bush.. is an a________r
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by fwan
I hope america will end up having a better president one day...
because bush.. is an a________r
Hehe, that would make a fun game for all of us to play..."Bush is a ___" fill-in-the-blank. I'd love to see everyone's answers
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by Cirque
The way I understand it, JFK did drugs also. Supposidly he was on some pretty strong "speed" and I am not sure what else during some of his term. I am just glad Bush won't be running for a third term :P
I think that the more you find out about people in the public eye, the more likely you are to find out things that make you dislike them. Many people look to JFK as one of the truly great American Presidents, and yet there are things about the man and his presidency that legally, per Jackie O's will, can not come to light until years after the surviving players are dead.

I think that we also forget that just being the president doesn't make you a saint, and I think that if we had rules that only allowed people with a pristine past run for office, we would either run out of candidates quickly, or we would end up with people whose beliefs had never been challenged and hardened by life experience. We have a right to expect more from our public leaders, but shouldn't we expect them to be human?

I understand the criticism about current political policy, but I guess I just dont see the huge deal about these tapes. From what I have read, the things on this tape are just fine..and some of it should read as a primer for how some Christians, who enjoy pointing out "sin" in the world and insist on grouping certain lifestyles into that category, should conduct themselves.
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by SharonKay
some of it should read as a primer for how some Christians, who enjoy pointing out "sin" in the world and insist on grouping certain lifestyles into that category, should conduct themselves.
Definitely agree with you on that one!
post #18 of 18
What's the big deal about the Bush tapes? I can only answer that as an American who lives in Europe. Many Europeans, being far more secular than the vast majority of Americans, have a very negative opinion of Bush, and strongly object to the image of him as "God's annointed president" that has been cast. The tapes cast a different light on him, i.e., they give the impression of a man without a "holier than thou" attitude. That can only help him here. He's currently making the rounds in Europe, and I really believe the tapes make him seem more "human", "approachable", "humble", and "realistic". While they won't lead people here to accept his actions or embrace his policies, the "ultra-hard edges" of his image have been removed. That is at least a start.
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