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post #91 of 147
:LOL: I should have known that Mr. Cat, who has a picture of Hal-9000 under his name (hey btw how do I add a graphic to mine? anyone? , would be a Trekkie! Or, rather, TrekkER if you prefer. I like the new show, although I've missed about half the season. I wasn't too sure about T'Pol at first, figuring she was just to add anatomically gifted geek lust factor, but I think she's a cool character. Neat dynamic with Tucker too. Can't wait for repeats so I can catch up!
post #92 of 147
Thread Starter 
Greetings! May you live long and prosper. (Actually, Sub-Commander T'Pol told me something else but I'll not repeat it here.)

Anyway, about an avatar: Well, go to the top of any page and you'll see a button labeled "User CP." Click on that, then look for a clickable topic near the top of the next page labeled "Edit Options." Click on that and scroll to the bottom of the page. There, you should see the doorway to Avatar Land. Mind, if you're going to use a custom avatar it must be 20 kilobytes or smaller; and it must have dimensions of 50X50 pixels (or smaller). "Tiny" is the word! If you're not adept at fiddling around with graphics, send me the image you want to use — at Mister-Cat1@ATTBI.com — and I'll do my best to shrink it down to size for you.

post #93 of 147
Thanks a million TC; I might take you up on that personalized avatar shrinking later

K'Pla :laughing:
post #94 of 147
Thread Starter 
You're entirely welcome! If you need help in future with the avatar-shrinking scenario, just look for the Interstellar Björk Beacon (below).


post #95 of 147
I am finally on the right page regarding this week's episode. It was a repeat. I had actually seen the 2nd half the first time around. (Are you following that bit of logic?) Must have been a night I had class and forgot to set the VCR. But having not seen the beginning of the show, I was thrown for a loop!

In other news, my DS9 reruns are winding down to series end. In this week's bizarre episode, Bashir finds a cure for Odo's disease. I have not seen any of these episodes, so it's all new to me. During the original run, I adanboned DS9 for awhile when it got too soap-operaish. I returned, but left again the last season. I think it had to do with a dislike of Ezri Dax. Oh well, these shows will get me through until Enterprise comes out of reruns.
post #96 of 147
Thread Starter 
I didn't know last week's episode was a repeat until you good folks pointed out the fact. So, it must have been one of the two episodes I'd missed orignally. I missed the second episode and one other episode, which I obviously can't describe, as well; so perhaps it'll turn up during this plague of re-runs. So, when do originals start up again? In February, perhaps?

post #97 of 147
Hopefully before that! I was counting on after Christmas.
post #98 of 147
Well, I had to dig pretty deep to phaser out this thread after the Christmas hiatus.

Did anyone see the new episode this week?

I thought it was well done. I liked the character development for Malcolm. And although it bugs me that questions were left unanswered about the newest aliens, it was presented very true to life. Things don't always get wrapped up neatly in an hour.
post #99 of 147
I'm glad to see some stuff happening with the relationships between the cast members. It was that Kirk-Spock-McCoy dynamic that made original Trek so fun. T'Pal lacks Spocks sense of humor - he was very dry but I always thought he knew when he was being funny - but Malcolm might fill in nicely for that. I'm also glad to see (I forget her name) the liguist do something besides scream and freak out. And finally, I'm glad the dog Porthos showed up again! I was beginning to think he was only included so they could make that joke about where no dog has gone before. The aliens were very freaky, too, quite alienish.

I admit I missed a bunch of it because it's on from 7 to 8, and 8:00 is bedtime in our house, so it's a little hectic. Hopefully we will be getting satellite tv and Tivo in the next month or so, so timing will be less of an issue.
post #100 of 147
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I saw it! I liked it! The business about Malcolm's parents not knowing his favorite food — and his father's disdain for Malcolm's career — was sad. But the overall quest for that favorite dish was funny! When it comes to personal matters Malcolm plays life close to the vest, doesn't he? He's just a rather private person, a wee bit like Seven of Nine and T'Pol in that regard, but he's a likeable fellow nonetheless.

It was good to see Archer make the intelligent decision to return to Earth rather than risk the lives of the crew; and the subsequent maximum-effort by the crew which made that return uneccessary was heartening. The combat scenario was properly done, insofar as it wasn't exploited via gratuitous violence. Hopefully Malcolm's father will learn of his son's performance in combat and modify his opinion somewhat.


P.S.: Thank you Deb, for digging through the archives to resurrect this thread!
post #101 of 147
Speaking of Malcolm's parents . . .

I watch an old British comedy called 'Allo, 'Allo about occupied France. It's a very broad farce and I won't get into all the details, but one of the characters is a gay Nazi, played by Guy Siner. So I was watching Enterprise and Malcolm's dad looked familiar so I got online and looked up the cast and he was played by Guy Siner!

We have an on-going joke in my house that everything in life is somehow related to Star Trek. Usually my husband will say something and I see the connection, but this is the first time it's been something in my life, and the first international connection. What a trip! (Augh, trip, Trip, can't even say that any more in this context!)
post #102 of 147

You are so right! I often watch a movie or show and have a minor player look so familiar. I rack my brain and often he/she was a guest star on some incarnation of Star Trek.

It reminds me of something called "The 6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon", which claims that everything can be related back to Kevin Bacon in six steps or less. I find Trek to be the same.
post #103 of 147
Okay, it's a new episode tonight and guess who's not watching it!

There's a special on about the White House and hubby had a really rotten day, plus he so seldom asks for specific programs, how could I turn him down? I hope I can catch it later in the week when it plays on another channel.
post #104 of 147
Ok, my new episode is taping as I type. Will probably watch it tomorrow and ring in.
post #105 of 147
Thread Starter 
This new episode was the most heartwarming and at the same time thought-provoking one I've yet seen. Since, however, some of you who may read this have not yet viewed the episode I shall present a censored version of my report.

The episode features [CENSORED]. He is called upon to [CENSORED] when Enterprise encounters a [CENSORED]. The [CENSORED] ask for [CENSORED], which is granted by Captain Archer. Thus, [CENSORED] and two other members of the Enterprise crew [CENSORED] and begin to [CENSORED] the [CENSORED]. [CENSORED] discovers the startling fact that the [CENSORED] are in on an inevitable path toward [CENSORED]. Although he finds a [CENSORED] for the [CENSORED], ethical considerations force him to confront the captain and suggest [CENSORED] be allowed to [CENSORED]. In the end, the captain agrees with [CENSORED] and a [CENSORED] is given the [CENSORED].

An interesting sub-plot involves a budding relationship between [CENSORED] and one of the crew. It's rather touching to see the two attempt to [CENSORED] each other! All in all, this is the episode I've most enjoyed.

post #106 of 147
Let me guess, you worked for the secret service security office in a past life . . .
post #107 of 147
I really enjoyed this episode! I feel that there was some great character development. (plus Porthos was in this one!) I found it interesting to here what was going on in Flock's opinion as expressed by his letter to his colleague. That was a good tool to provide us with more insight. I've to say - Flock is my fav character.
post #108 of 147
I taped, I watched, I enjoyed.

This series is coming into its own. I like the emphasis on Dr. Flox. I have been intrigued by him from day one. He runs rings around T'Pol. And because it is pre-Prime Directive days, you just didn't know if Archer was going to do the right thing or not.

Mr. Cat, thanks for the censored review. I know I wouldn't have been able to not read it. Then I would have hated myself.
post #109 of 147
Thread Starter 
Indeed, Dr. Flox via his ethics and subsequently Capt. Archer by his authority surely made thoughtful decisions regarding how far to go in helping the people on that planet. As you pointed out, their meeting of minds was all the more striking given the absence of standing orders (such as the future Prime Directive). In that regard, both Archer and Flox acted in concert to set a precedent — and a rather good one too, judging by regulations adopted many years later.

Dr. Flox seems "a man for all seasons": able to appreciate different species, willing to face challenges, professional at all times yet exuding an "open door" attitude, et cetera. And I love his menagerie!


post #110 of 147
I won't even have a chance to see this again until Saturday and y'all are making me so impatient! lol I'm dying to see the menagerie, I remember him using healing creatures on an earlier episode. Of course, lots of us cat people believe strongly in the healing power of animals!
post #111 of 147
I really liked the last episode. It was the best one yet!

Hey....what's the deal with the way T'Pol sits in the captain's chair when she's in charge of the bridge? Is it that her corsett is so tight she can't sit all the way down????? Oh well, at least the colligen injections in her lips are finally beginning to shrink! oooh, I'm soooo petty! (Okay,truth is...I'm soooo jealous! )
post #112 of 147
I'm sorry, the more I watch this show, the more I think T'Pol is way over board. Seven of Nine looked more natural, and she was part machine, for God sake! Those lips drive me insane, and exactly when is she going to lighten up? I am hoping that maybe next season she softens a little, as this season she just gets on my nerves. I grew up liking Vulcans; I think at one point I wanted to be one when I grew up. T'pol gets a big "thumbs down" from me.
post #113 of 147
Thread Starter 
As you may know, all too many web sites devoted to Vulcans are either extinct or dormant (red-X disease is present). However, I suggest those interested in things Vulcan check out the Vulcan Language Institute® site. It's copyrighted through this year and there's not a red X to be found! Mainly, however, it's very interesting — fascinating, I might say.


post #114 of 147
Thinking of T'Pol compared to Spock:

Do you suppose it has to do with our perception of what is acceptable behavior for men compared to women? I mean, we don't seem to mind a man being a little cold (though Spock had a sense of humor, which I don't know if these current producers got about him) but we expect women to be interested in relationships more than logic. I think that's why her costume is so form-fitting, too, since she doesn't "act like a woman" we need to be reminded that she is one. (when I say "we" I mean people in our culture, not just this little group here)

Another example might be, on TNG, counsellor Troi could not have been played by a man, even though there must have been male betazoids and there's no reason to assume men can't be empaths, because we would have wondered if he was gay. Or even that distinction between angry men and *itchy women which is so common in daily life. I think if T'Pol was any less rigid, it would be hard for her peers to take her seriously, but as she is, we find she doesn't live up to our standards of womanly behavior.

One thing I used to enjoy about original Star Trek was that many of the episodes gave you food for thought. It wasn't always in the stated story line with it's too-obvious object lesson, but it was there. And I think Enterprise have that effect too.
post #115 of 147
I think that the problem with T-Pol is the same one that (oh my, I just forgot his name....hmmmmm) the Vulcan on Voyager had in the first season. Whereas Spock had many subtle facial expressions and that great eyebrow, T'Pol is completely blank! Her eyes regester absolutely nothing. It is as if she is a machine spewing lines! If she were to study tapes of Leonard Nimoy doing Spock and then try to follow his lead, I think she would not be so unappealing.

So....since I initially had a similar negative response to the Voyager Vulcan (I can't believe I've forgotten his name!), I don't think its a gender thing. But, who knows???
post #116 of 147
Thread Starter 
Indeed, T'Pol does not register emotion via body language and facial expression. But, that's the way Vulcans are supposed to act! Spock was a singular character, in that he had human genetics as well as Vulcan. Tuvok from Stark Trek: Voyager was "all Vulcan," as is T'Pol. Anyway, it's only human to react toward Vulcans the way Leonard McCoy did!


post #117 of 147
Tuvok (and I can see lotsocats slapping her head as she reads) was an awesome character. He didn't have the human mix that made Spock unique, but he still managed to have a personality of his own.

I so have to agree with lotsocats: T'Pol sounds like she is reading lines off a cue card. YOu can be Vulcan without being wooden. Flox is a character that is obviously different from a human, but he gets it out in a way that gives you a sense of uniqueness.

Either T'Pol can take an acting lesson or 2, or perhaps go the way of Lt. Yar?
post #118 of 147
Could you hear the echo from my head slap?!

Yes! Tuvok! I didn't like him at first, but as he grew into the character, I really came to appreciate him and to consider him an asset to the crew and the show.

I agree with Deb. There have been many Vulcan minor characters who, even though they are "emotionless" they are not wooden and you can see their personness (is that a word?) in their eyes. But, T'Pol is a bored board who can't sit down in a chair.
post #119 of 147
Don't worry, lotsocats. We won't drum you out of the thread.
post #120 of 147
I like Flox, but he could easily be terminally cheerful. He smiles almost too much, but every now and then it slips so perhaps he is nervous or has learned that the smile has significance to humans.

I might get to like T'Pol in the next season, if they give us some more background on her. I'm thinking, her comments to Flox suggest she might have had some kind of romantic involvement with a human. Remember they have that 7-year cycle - Pon Farr, right? - and she's pretty far from home after all. Plus there are a bunch of guys who'd like the challenge of melting the ice princess, so I'm sure she got her share of , um, attention. I know it was only 2 sentences, but it showed a lot of insight and I think even a female perspective. (How many of us remember, from our dating lives, all those guys who were only interested until the novelty wore off or they, ahem, achieved their goal? Not just for ourselves but our female friends too.)

I have no idea what I would have done, if I were Archer. I mean, hte urge is to help, though getting swamped like that would have frustrated me no end. How can you not alleviate the suffering? But how can you contribute to the subjugation of another species? Did he tell them they were going to die out, that it was genetic and probably irreversible? I wonder if I would want to know that.

But I like that it asked a "big question" about life and interfering. In the long run, what difference does it make? If the idea is true - that if 2 humanoid species are evolving side by side on the same planet, only one makes it to warp capability - then they are not really changing anything. The current dominant species will continue to weaken and the other one will continue to strengthen and they will overthrow them eventually anyway. It might even work to their advantage by giving them a chance to evolve further before they are dominant so they are stronger for it, kind of like keeping your child home an extra year to mature before starting school.
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