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post #1 of 24
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I couldn't believe this!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...30/wgerm30.xml
"Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990."
post #2 of 24
I should be surprised, but I'm not. Germany invented red tape; since there's currently no law protecting women from being forced into taking such a job or losing their welfare payments, I imagine a lot of people will find themselves losing them.
A nearby town, population almost 37,000, owns a 35-room building that for years the county rented to use as housing for asylum seekers. The county gave notice, and now the mayor of the town is seriously planning on renting it out to a company that wishes to establish a brothel there. Needless to say, many of the people in the town, and businesses located on the same street, are up in arms about it, but really have no way of stopping it. Prostitution is legal. Many people here were in favor of its legalization for the reasons stated in the article (social security and health care benefits, controlling organized crime), but few thought of the ramifications.
post #3 of 24
not getting any help from the gov't because you are refusing to take a job selling your body?! that is horrible. The sad thing about it is that she can't sue. I would find a way to sue, go to amnesty international or something. Oh my gosh , I just can't believe this.
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by catlover7731
not getting any help from the gov't because you are refusing to take a job selling your body?! that is horrible. The sad thing about it is that she can't sue. I would find a way to sue, go to amnesty international or something. Oh my gosh , I just can't believe this.
She'll have to go to court, and any decision will take years. In the meantime, what's she going to live on?
post #5 of 24
That's ridiculous.

I assume this law applies to men, too: If they don't want to be gigilos, they get no unemployment benefits. I wonder if the law would get overturned faster if men were as common a "commodity" in the sex industry? Someone should set up a job centre called "Men Loving Men" just so they can expedite the process of repealing this stupid law: "You can't get a job as a data clerk? And you're opposed to having sex with another man? Well, no benefits for you, Sonny." Yeesh.

I agree with catlover -- this seems like it should go up before Amnesty International.
post #6 of 24
I predict that it won't get that far. The "Hartz IV" unemployment/welfare benefit reform went into effect at the beginning of the year, and the wrinkles obviously haven't been ironed out. Bad publicity in the international press will most probably lead to fairly quick revision; the subject of legal prostitution may be a matter for the European Court of Justice, though.
post #7 of 24
::censor::censor::censor:: Oh, my. That's horrible!

I wonder if she could object on religious or ethical grounds?
post #8 of 24
this can't be serious. surely if your married or in a realtionship your partner would object? would violating your wedding vows be a reason to get out of it?
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by tuxedokitties
::censor::censor::censor:: Oh, my. That's horrible!

I wonder if she could object on religious or ethical grounds?
Yes, that's a very good point!
post #10 of 24
I'm glad I don't have to say...Ich bin ein Berliner. That is unbelievable, how horrendous!
post #11 of 24
I don't know. Prostitution is legal and it's a job, thus it's subject to the same laws applied to any other type of work. No work, no benefits. Simple as that.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by tuxedokitties
::censor::censor::censor:: Oh, my. That's horrible!

I wonder if she could object on religious or ethical grounds?
Religious and ethical grounds are the least of my worries, what about HIV/AIDS???
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by yayi
I don't know. Prostitution is legal and it's a job, thus it's subject to the same laws applied to any other type of work. No work, no benefits. Simple as that.
So if you lived in Germany and were out of work and the only job available to you was prostitution you would happily take the job?
post #14 of 24
SO let me see if I have this right, the only job available is as a prostitute and if she doesn't take it, she loses her benifits?

Does the same apply to men as well in Germany?

Not to make light of this woman's plight, but if that WERE the case, I'd become a jigalo of gigalo or whatever, glad to do it!
But unless I came up with some dynamite special offers and "sale prices", giveaways and car-sales like approaches, I would starve to death!

I guess if you live long enough, you will see just about everything......
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by Imp
So if you lived in Germany and were out of work and the only job available to you was prostitution you would happily take the job?
Not "happily".
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fester
But unless I came up with some dynamite special offers and "sale prices", giveaways and car-sales like approaches, I would starve to death!

I guess if you live long enough, you will see just about everything......
to be honest there are times when i have trouble giving it away! lol

does this apply to all jobs? could a vegan be forced to become a butcher? or an ex-soldier a drag queen?
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by maverick_kitten
does this apply to all jobs? could a vegan be forced to become a butcher? or an ex-soldier a drag queen?
In theory, yes. Before the reform, people could turn down jobs they felt they were overqualified for, and continue to receive welfare benefits. The change was made to prevent that.
I hate to say it, but I did a search, and can't find any mention of the cases cited in the German press. I wonder about the "source(s)" of the story - perhaps somebody, i.e., a Hartz IV opponent, was just giving a theoretical example of where the reform could lead, and it's now being presented as "fact"?
post #18 of 24
Mom of Franz.. You're a Jelly donut? O.o....
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by jcat
In theory, yes. Before the reform, people could turn down jobs they felt they were overqualified for, and continue to receive welfare benefits. The change was made to prevent that.
I hate to say it, but I did a search, and can't find any mention of the cases cited in the German press. I wonder about the "source(s)" of the story - perhaps somebody, i.e., a Hartz IV opponent, was just giving a theoretical example of where the reform could lead, and it's now being presented as "fact"?
I found the article on a discussion forum in a newspaper, and searched on Google to find the article. Sorry, but that's all I know.
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by turtlecat
Mom of Franz.. You're a Jelly donut? O.o....
LOL, Turtle...I've always thougt that was one of the funniest lines/flubs in American History...almost makes you believe that JFK was related to Dan Quayle. or George W!
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by Mom of Franz
LOL, Turtle...I've always thougt that was one of the funniest lines/flubs in American History...almost makes you believe that JFK was related to Dan Quayle. or George W!
It actually wasn't completely wrong - a "Berliner" can be both a jelly doughnut, and somebody from Berlin. It's just that a Berlin native would probably say, "Ich komme aus Berlin". Not that it would be necessary - the accent is unmistakable.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Uncle Fester
SO let me see if I have this right, the only job available is as a prostitute and if she doesn't take it, she loses her benifits?

Does the same apply to men as well in Germany?

Not to make light of this woman's plight, but if that WERE the case, I'd become a jigalo of gigalo or whatever, glad to do it!
But unless I came up with some dynamite special offers and "sale prices", giveaways and car-sales like approaches, I would starve to death!

I guess if you live long enough, you will see just about everything......
A male prostitutes' customer base tends to be ...... other males.

Nothing wrong with that, I bring it up only because the vast majority of my male friends screech at the thought of male-to-male sexual relations.

Would you still take that job ?
post #23 of 24
Would I still take that job?
I think I'd have to use the old BOOTSTRAP method and go out and FIND a job that I could do reasonably well and tell the government to keep their check.

But I must confess, this is exactly the kind of MESS that people can end up in when they depend on the government for their sustinance.

Back to this lady in Berlin, she has every right to be offended that the government suggest she become a prostitute, but I can't help but wonder if by taking a government handout she hasn't put herself in that situation?

Now, I know that some will lament "Well, what is she SUPPOSED to do? She can't find a job and she has to eat!"

My suggestion would be, stp complaining about what you won't do and focus instead on what you will do.
If it means taking another type of job and having to start at the bottom, then so be it.
Life hands us ALL setbacks and sometimes, people have to start over.
It is not the place of government to save your place in line by handing you a check because your job might not exist anymore.
post #24 of 24
i agree. as harsh as this osunds theres always a mcdonalds some where thats hiring....
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